(11-09-2013 11:19 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:56 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:08 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 08:43 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 09:16 AM)westwolf Wrote:  That's because ant talk of UConn to the B1G is pure fantasy. They don't qualify.

Does your school qualify? Where did you go to school? Did you go to college?

You gotta love posters that have no affiliation but like to mock everyone else's school.

BTW, if UConn did receive a Big 10 invitation along with Kansas or Missouri, UConn would be in the top half of the Big 10 academically.

No you would be tied at the bottom with Nebraska. B10 schools don't measure each other with input metrics used by US News, they compare based on ARWU rankings - after all they are graduate research institutions not undergraduate colleges:

World Wide:

17 Wisky
18 UM
19 Illinois
21 Minnesota
22 Northwestern
29 Maryland
37 PSU
38 Purdue
39 Rutgers
41 Ohio State
47 Indiana
50 Michigan State
53-67 Iowa
86-108 Nebraska

UConn 86-108

99% of humanity uses the US News rankings. And UConn is not an "undergraduate college"; it's a national university.

We would be in the top half of the Big 10. We'd also be higher than Syracuse, Pitt, Clemson, Florida State, Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State, etc. in the ACC.

University administrators know that US News numbers are easily cooked and based in large part on the opinions of a few. There are no output measures at all and the rankings are just to sell magazines.

The 99% you speak of are rubes.

Sorry to bust your bubble with the truth.

When I grew up, in New England, Uconn wasn't a great school. It probably wasn't even a good school... was certainly behind UVM and also behind probably at least one of the other New England flagships. What they've done in the past 20 years on the academic side is amazing. This is a region where up until recently, for anyone to go to a state school, even a flagship like Uconn, well that was a safety school, nothing more.

They're now an elite-ish school, to the point where it's probably more prestigious for a kid from VT to go to UConn than it is the reverse. The state has invested in them to a huge extent. Aside from building out the tiny road out to Storrs, I'm not sure they could have done more. Keep in mind, even in bball, Uconn was nothing until 1990 or so.

25 years ago, no one would have thought twice about leaving them out of a major conference, but if picks were being made today, they're probably picked in the top 30-40 based on academics, athletics, potential success, non rev sports, etc.

And i hate UConn and think their fanbase is delusional in general.

I guess in 10 years, when UConn has finally hired enough academics to suck off the teet of we taxpayers to be able to achieve ARWU status, they'll make it in. Whatever

(11-09-2013 11:37 PM)The Turk Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:19 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:56 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:08 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 08:43 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Does your school qualify? Where did you go to school? Did you go to college?

You gotta love posters that have no affiliation but like to mock everyone else's school.

BTW, if UConn did receive a Big 10 invitation along with Kansas or Missouri, UConn would be in the top half of the Big 10 academically.

No you would be tied at the bottom with Nebraska. B10 schools don't measure each other with input metrics used by US News, they compare based on ARWU rankings - after all they are graduate research institutions not undergraduate colleges:

World Wide:

17 Wisky
18 UM
19 Illinois
21 Minnesota
22 Northwestern
29 Maryland
37 PSU
38 Purdue
39 Rutgers
41 Ohio State
47 Indiana
50 Michigan State
53-67 Iowa
86-108 Nebraska

UConn 86-108

99% of humanity uses the US News rankings. And UConn is not an "undergraduate college"; it's a national university.

We would be in the top half of the Big 10. We'd also be higher than Syracuse, Pitt, Clemson, Florida State, Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State, etc. in the ACC.

University administrators know that US News numbers are easily cooked and based in large part on the opinions of a few. There are no output measures at all and the rankings are just to sell magazines.

The 99% you speak of are rubes.

Sorry to bust your bubble with the truth.

When I grew up, in New England, Uconn wasn't a great school. It probably wasn't even a good school... was certainly behind UVM and also behind probably at least one of the other New England flagships. What they've done in the past 20 years on the academic side is amazing. This is a region where up until recently, for anyone to go to a state school, even a flagship like Uconn, well that was a safety school, nothing more.

They're now an elite-ish school, to the point where it's probably more prestigious for a kid from VT to go to UConn than it is the reverse. The state has invested in them to a huge extent. Aside from building out the tiny road out to Storrs, I'm not sure they could have done more. Keep in mind, even in bball, Uconn was nothing until 1990 or so.

25 years ago, no one would have thought twice about leaving them out of a major conference, but if picks were being made today, they're probably picked in the top 30-40 based on academics, athletics, potential success, non rev sports, etc.

And i hate UConn and think their fanbase is delusional in general.

I guess in 10 years, when UConn has finally hired enough academics to suck off the teet of we taxpayers to be able to achieve ARWU status, they'll make it in. Whatever

Delaney would have found all kinds of seats to sit in at UConn had he visited this weekend, as they had an almost empty stadium.

(11-09-2013 11:44 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:37 PM)The Turk Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:19 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:56 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:08 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  No you would be tied at the bottom with Nebraska. B10 schools don't measure each other with input metrics used by US News, they compare based on ARWU rankings - after all they are graduate research institutions not undergraduate colleges:

World Wide:

17 Wisky
18 UM
19 Illinois
21 Minnesota
22 Northwestern
29 Maryland
37 PSU
38 Purdue
39 Rutgers
41 Ohio State
47 Indiana
50 Michigan State
53-67 Iowa
86-108 Nebraska

UConn 86-108

99% of humanity uses the US News rankings. And UConn is not an "undergraduate college"; it's a national university.

We would be in the top half of the Big 10. We'd also be higher than Syracuse, Pitt, Clemson, Florida State, Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State, etc. in the ACC.

University administrators know that US News numbers are easily cooked and based in large part on the opinions of a few. There are no output measures at all and the rankings are just to sell magazines.

The 99% you speak of are rubes.

Sorry to bust your bubble with the truth.

When I grew up, in New England, Uconn wasn't a great school. It probably wasn't even a good school... was certainly behind UVM and also behind probably at least one of the other New England flagships. What they've done in the past 20 years on the academic side is amazing. This is a region where up until recently, for anyone to go to a state school, even a flagship like Uconn, well that was a safety school, nothing more.

They're now an elite-ish school, to the point where it's probably more prestigious for a kid from VT to go to UConn than it is the reverse. The state has invested in them to a huge extent. Aside from building out the tiny road out to Storrs, I'm not sure they could have done more. Keep in mind, even in bball, Uconn was nothing until 1990 or so.

25 years ago, no one would have thought twice about leaving them out of a major conference, but if picks were being made today, they're probably picked in the top 30-40 based on academics, athletics, potential success, non rev sports, etc.

And i hate UConn and think their fanbase is delusional in general.

I guess in 10 years, when UConn has finally hired enough academics to suck off the teet of we taxpayers to be able to achieve ARWU status, they'll make it in. Whatever

Delaney would have found all kinds of seats to sit in at UConn had he visited this weekend, as they had an almost empty stadium.

i don't like defending Uconn, but I will. They had 27k in a 38k stadium to start. I guess it was empty at the end. Huge surprise for a 0 fer team. What does IU's stadium look like when they're playing Iowa? what does it look like in the fourth getting blown out by OSU or Meechigan or whomever?

There is i challenge in New England when it comes to college football. UConn has shown potential in challenging that problem and changing perceptions. It's never gonna be Columbus or Ann Arbor, or wherever. But it could be a competent player in football and a great add from a bball perspective.

The Big 10 just added Maryland and Rutgers, ffs. Maryland just cut how many sports? Rutgers is followed by how many people outside of central jersey?

Maryland reinstated them all to garner goodwill on their way to the Big 14!

and added men's gymnastics to satisfy certain demands made by PSU, right?

(11-06-2013 01:07 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  Neither UConn nor UMass are AAU members. Buffalo and Stony Brook are the only two AAU schools with football programs that are available in the East.

buffalo, Uconn

my opinion

(11-10-2013 12:04 AM)The Turk Wrote:  and added men's gymnastics to satisfy certain demands made by PSU, right?

Maryland had gymnastics unless you are talking about the B10/14 adding them.

EDIT: Wait, you said men's. I'm not sure anyone has men's gymnastics as a sport.

Upon further review it looks like Big10/14 would have enough teams to field men's gymnastics without Maryland participating. I've only heard about them reinstating sports, not starting new ones so I would question that.

(11-10-2013 12:12 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 12:04 AM)The Turk Wrote:  and added men's gymnastics to satisfy certain demands made by PSU, right?

Maryland had gymnastics unless you are talking about the B10/14 adding them.

EDIT: Wait, you said men's. I'm not sure anyone has men's gymnastics as a sport.

Your 2013 NCAA Men's Gymnastics Champions... https://www.facebook.com/MichiganMensGymnastics

(11-10-2013 12:12 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 12:04 AM)The Turk Wrote:  and added men's gymnastics to satisfy certain demands made by PSU, right?

Maryland had gymnastics unless you are talking about the B10/14 adding them.

EDIT: Wait, you said men's. I'm not sure anyone has men's gymnastics as a sport.

You're probably right, I was just throwing something out there that the PSU might have liked.

(11-10-2013 12:07 AM)pablowow Wrote:  buffalo, Uconn

my opinion

Adding PSU and UMD/WVU/ND would be fantastic.
There is a 0% chance that PSU stays in a pod of UCONN, RU, and Buffalo when the ACC offers yearly trips to Florida, the Carolinas, and Pitt, SU, BC, and VPI

(11-09-2013 11:19 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:56 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:08 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 08:43 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 09:16 AM)westwolf Wrote:  That's because ant talk of UConn to the B1G is pure fantasy. They don't qualify.

Does your school qualify? Where did you go to school? Did you go to college?

You gotta love posters that have no affiliation but like to mock everyone else's school.

BTW, if UConn did receive a Big 10 invitation along with Kansas or Missouri, UConn would be in the top half of the Big 10 academically.

No you would be tied at the bottom with Nebraska. B10 schools don't measure each other with input metrics used by US News, they compare based on ARWU rankings - after all they are graduate research institutions not undergraduate colleges:

World Wide:

17 Wisky
18 UM
19 Illinois
21 Minnesota
22 Northwestern
29 Maryland
37 PSU
38 Purdue
39 Rutgers
41 Ohio State
47 Indiana
50 Michigan State
53-67 Iowa
86-108 Nebraska

UConn 86-108

99% of humanity uses the US News rankings. And UConn is not an "undergraduate college"; it's a national university.

We would be in the top half of the Big 10. We'd also be higher than Syracuse, Pitt, Clemson, Florida State, Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State, etc. in the ACC.

University administrators know that US News numbers are easily cooked and based in large part on the opinions of a few. There are no output measures at all and the rankings are just to sell magazines.

The 99% you speak of are rubes.

Sorry to bust your bubble with the truth.

You obviously have issues with UConn's improved academic status (the #14 public FBS school). You can't argue with stats like SAT scores, rates of admission, and spending on research.

Keep fighting the good fight, my friend. Go ACC!

Public FBS schools:

1) Cal
2) UCLA
3) Virginia
4) Michigan
5) North Carolina
6) Georgia Tech
7) Penn State
8) Illinois, Wisconsin
10) Florida
11) Ohio State, Texas, Washington
14) UConn
15) Georgia

(11-07-2013 08:09 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 12:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Who else beyond UConn? Navy?

Any two of UCONN, UMD, and Navy would send PSU to the ACC with WVU (and possibly UMD - imagine the fallout from that) asking to be #16.

It would also cement the ACC as the #2 conference behind the SEC in football, the #1 conference in basketball (it already is), and the #1 academic conference (it already is), and the #2-3 conference in media payouts.

I sincerely wish the fin folks in CT and Mass the best of luck.

I have to disagree with you on the football comment . You would still be behind the PAC12 . USC,UCLA,Oregon,Stanford,Washington,ASU,and Arizona would still be a stronger lineup.

(11-10-2013 08:35 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:19 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:56 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:08 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 08:43 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Does your school qualify? Where did you go to school? Did you go to college?

You gotta love posters that have no affiliation but like to mock everyone else's school.

BTW, if UConn did receive a Big 10 invitation along with Kansas or Missouri, UConn would be in the top half of the Big 10 academically.

No you would be tied at the bottom with Nebraska. B10 schools don't measure each other with input metrics used by US News, they compare based on ARWU rankings - after all they are graduate research institutions not undergraduate colleges:

World Wide:

17 Wisky
18 UM
19 Illinois
21 Minnesota
22 Northwestern
29 Maryland
37 PSU
38 Purdue
39 Rutgers
41 Ohio State
47 Indiana
50 Michigan State
53-67 Iowa
86-108 Nebraska

UConn 86-108

99% of humanity uses the US News rankings. And UConn is not an "undergraduate college"; it's a national university.

We would be in the top half of the Big 10. We'd also be higher than Syracuse, Pitt, Clemson, Florida State, Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State, etc. in the ACC.

University administrators know that US News numbers are easily cooked and based in large part on the opinions of a few. There are no output measures at all and the rankings are just to sell magazines.

The 99% you speak of are rubes.

Sorry to bust your bubble with the truth.

You obviously have issues with UConn's improved academic status (the #14 public FBS school). You can't argue with stats like SAT scores, rates of admission, and spending on research.

Keep fighting the good fight, my friend. Go ACC!

Public FBS schools:

1) Cal
2) UCLA
3) Virginia
4) Michigan
5) North Carolina
6) Georgia Tech
7) Penn State
8) Illinois, Wisconsin
10) Florida
11) Ohio State
12) Texas
13) Washington
14) UConn
15) Georgia

You poor delusional fellow, US News' rankings are easy to game. No less an institution than Emory was caught at it last year. All you have to go is gin up applications and then ask those that matriculate to re-take the SAT and two sets of actions you have gamed 40% of the US News Rankings. Staying small also allows you to game those rankings. Nothing in US News' rankings say anything about the quality of the education or more particularly as relates to the B10, the graduate/research component of the University.

B10 schools are graduate student, graduate, research oriented institutions. UConn, while a very good university, is not. UConn is much more similar to Wake Forest, or Notre Dame, or BC. Indeed, your biggest "graduate" component (your medical campus) is not even located on the main campus in Storrs but on the east side of Hartford.

Now it's no shame to be a top 100 university in the United States as you seem to feel. However to claim that you are in the middle of B10 universities is to claim that you are somehow a top 50 institution which you are not.

However if you think the B10 schools see you like they see themselves, you are just wrong.

Furthermore, making a claim regarding academic excellence based on the demographics of high school seniors is a little silly don't you think? For instance, how many public Universities are there in Connecticut? What choices do Connecticut's students have for a public cost education? Perhaps your recent improvement in admissions statistics is an economic anomaly.

It would not at all be inaccurate to say that UConn is probably a 75-100 university in the United States and that's not bad, however when you claim to be in the middle of B10, and the middle of the B10 is closer to 45 than 75, you are in essence puffing up UConn at least the equivalent of one standard deviation.

(11-10-2013 12:15 PM)FUB Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 08:09 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 12:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Who else beyond UConn? Navy?

Any two of UCONN, UMD, and Navy would send PSU to the ACC with WVU (and possibly UMD - imagine the fallout from that) asking to be #16.

It would also cement the ACC as the #2 conference behind the SEC in football, the #1 conference in basketball (it already is), and the #1 academic conference (it already is), and the #2-3 conference in media payouts.

I sincerely wish the fin folks in CT and Mass the best of luck.

I have to disagree with you on the football comment . You would still be behind the PAC12 . USC,UCLA,Oregon,Stanford,Washington,ASU,and Arizona would still be a stronger lineup.

IMO, FSU, PSU, Clemson, Miami, Virginia Tech, Louisville, Georgia Tech, Syracuse, Pitt, Boston College, and WVU/ND/UMD (not so much UMD) beats anything that the Pac has.

FSU + PSU (post sanctions) = USC + Oregon, Clemson = Stanford (when Stanford is on, otherwise the advantage is very much in Clemson's favor), Miami > UW, VT > ASU, UL > UA, GT, SU, Pitt, BC, and WVU/ND > any of the remaining Pac schools.

UConn-SMU

You would also profit by reading these reports: http://mup.asu.edu/research.html

These reports aggregate and measure research at American Universities. It's difficult to fudge or game these numbers. Using 2010 as an example,

The Big 10's Insitutions ranked as follows for public university research spending:

4 Illinois
5 Michigan
7 Wisky
9 Ohio State
10 PSU
11 Minnesota
19 Maryland
20 Michigan State
21 Purdue
22 Iowa
25 Rutgers
62 Nebraska

The ACC's public intuitions ranked:

6 UNC
8 GT
12 Pitt
31 NC State
40 VT
41 FSU
64 Clemson
Unranked - Louisville

*GT, NC State and VT have achieved their rankings without a medical school.

UConn is 61, ahead of Nebraska, but behind all other B10 schools.

On the private side of things, Duke is 2, ND 24, Miami 29 and little WF is 36. BC and Syracuse are unranked. So they are effectively falling somewhere in the 40's or higher.

My point, which is supported by empirical evidence, is that UConn is unlike other B10 schools in its basic nature and from an academic standpoint would fall in the bottom of the B10, although higher than Nebraska.

UConn is small compare to B10 schools, more the size of an ACC school, however if you want to be seen in the B10 mold, you have to press graduate research and press it HARD. You would need to be more like Georgia Tech, and less like Wake Forest, and that's not a dig a Wake. Wake is an undergraduate institution and the Med School and the Law School, they have never tried to be all things which is one of the reasons they have perhaps the best undergraduate EXPERIENCE in the ACC.

You should also realize that those in the 50-100 rankings have as much chance of substantially moving up as a snowball lasting a week in Hell. To move up, someone must move down. When you look ahead on these lists, who are you realistically going to jump?

At NC State we have a cadre of folks who ***** and complain that NC State is not a consistent top 50 in all measures. Without a medical school, and a law school, and a nursing school, and school of public health, and growing from about 38K students to 55K students it's not feasible unless we have a certain donor give us a billion of his dollars.

My point is you can forget passing the Ivy League, B10, Pac12 research powerhouses for at least the next 70-100 years. That alone is 25 or so spots, that's before you hit UNC, Pitt, UVa, Texas, TAMU, Florida, GT, etc., etc.

Though external reports can shed some light on university commonality, it's easier to see how B1G schools view others by their inclusion on their institutional analysis departments' chosen peer listings. It says a lot, other than Rutgers, which selected 97 universities as peers:

New B1G's
Nebraska: MSU, Penn St, Purdue, Rutgers, Wisconsin
Maryland: MSU, Michigan, tOSU, Rutgers, Wisconsin
Rutgers: MSU, Michigan, Wisconsin

AAU's
UNC: Rutgers, Illinois, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Wisconsin
Kansas: Indiana, Rutgers, Michigan, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Georgia Tech: Purdue, Rutgers, Michigan, Wisconsin
Pitt: Penn St, Rutgers, Michigan, Wisconsin
Missouri: MSU, Rutgers, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Virginia: Rutgers, Michigan, Wisconsin
Buffalo: Rutgers, Michigan, Wisconsin
Stony Brook: Rutgers, Michigan, Wisconsin

Non-AAU's
UConn: Rutgers
UMass: Rutgers
NC State: Rutgers

(11-10-2013 02:08 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  Though external reports can shed some light on university commonality, it's easier to see how B1G schools view others by their inclusion on their institutional analysis departments' chosen peer listings. It says a lot, other than Rutgers, which selected 97 universities as peers:

New B1G's
Nebraska: MSU, Penn St, Purdue, Rutgers, Wisconsin
Maryland: MSU, Michigan, tOSU, Rutgers, Wisconsin
Rutgers: MSU, Michigan, Wisconsin

AAU's
UNC: Rutgers, Illinois, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Wisconsin
Kansas: Indiana, Rutgers, Michigan, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Georgia Tech: Purdue, Rutgers, Michigan, Wisconsin
Pitt: Penn St, Rutgers, Michigan, Wisconsin
Missouri: MSU, Rutgers, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Virginia: Rutgers, Michigan, Wisconsin
Buffalo: Rutgers, Michigan, Wisconsin
Stony Brook: Rutgers, Michigan, Wisconsin

Non-AAU's
UConn: Rutgers
UMass: Rutgers
NC State: Rutgers

Yep, good point.

The universities that are east of the Rockies, organized on the general B10 graduate education/research intensive model but not in the B10 are Duke, Vanderbilt, Florida, SUNY Buffalo, VT, NC State, Mizzou, Texas, Kansas, and TAMU. Duke and Vandy are small and private. VT and NC State are STEM Land Grants who have been prevented from having a number of programs that in place at UVa and UNC, such as law, dentistry, nursing, medical schools, etc., etc (Clemson is likewise constrained but Clemson has elected to stay smaller).

That just leaves Mizzou, Kansas, SUNY Buffalo, Texas, and TAMU that are large, graduate/research oriented, and completely full-service attempting to do all and be all.

Personally I think Stoney Brook has a bright future especially if they changes their name to something like New York State University and Polytechnic University and went by New York Tech - NYT. With their location on Long Island who knows what they could grow into, but if the B10 really wants two like universities in the Northeast, the two most like them are U Toronto and McGill.

(11-10-2013 01:19 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  UConn-SMU

You would also profit by reading these reports: http://mup.asu.edu/research.html

These reports aggregate and measure research at American Universities. It's difficult to fudge or game these numbers. Using 2010 as an example,

The Big 10's Insitutions ranked as follows for public university research spending:

4 Illinois
5 Michigan
7 Wisky
9 Ohio State
10 PSU
11 Minnesota
19 Maryland
20 Michigan State
21 Purdue
22 Iowa
25 Rutgers
62 Nebraska

The ACC's public intuitions ranked:

6 UNC
8 GT
12 Pitt
31 NC State
40 VT
41 FSU
64 Clemson
Unranked - Louisville

*GT, NC State and VT have achieved their rankings without a medical school.

UConn is 61, ahead of Nebraska, but behind all other B10 schools.

On the private side of things, Duke is 2, ND 24, Miami 29 and little WF is 36. BC and Syracuse are unranked. So they are effectively falling somewhere in the 40's or higher.

My point, which is supported by empirical evidence, is that UConn is unlike other B10 schools in its basic nature and from an academic standpoint would fall in the bottom of the B10, although higher than Nebraska.

UConn is small compare to B10 schools, more the size of an ACC school, however if you want to be seen in the B10 mold, you have to press graduate research and press it HARD. You would need to be more like Georgia Tech, and less like Wake Forest, and that's not a dig a Wake. Wake is an undergraduate institution and the Med School and the Law School, they have never tried to be all things which is one of the reasons they have perhaps the best undergraduate EXPERIENCE in the ACC.

At NC State we have a cadre of folks who ***** and complain that NC State is not a consistent top 50 in all measures. Without a medical school, and a law school, and a nursing school, and school of public health, and growing from about 38K students to 55K students it's not feasible unless we have a certain donor give us a billion of his dollars.

At NC State everybody ******* and complains all of the time about everything.

(11-10-2013 01:19 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  At NC State we have a cadre of folks who ***** and complain that NC State is not a consistent top 50 in all measures. Without a medical school, and a law school, and a nursing school, and school of public health, and growing from about 38K students to 55K students it's not feasible unless we have a certain donor give us a billion of his dollars.

Maryland and NC State are similar educational institutions in terms of academics, athletics and complaints. We also don't have medical, nursing, public health and law schools. Those schools are located in Baltimore and are part of the University of Maryland, Baltimore.