Libs love the European socialist countries. It's my understanding that all of the European countries require a photo ID to vote.

Why is it ok for them, but not for us?

(10-28-2013 06:52 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  The new voter ID law passed in NC this year actually makes it much more difficult to cast and have counted a provisional ballot. The voter has to show proof within six days that they are who they say they are and that they live where they say they live.

That's easy; if they live where they say they live they have mail, bills, etc. that will easily proof it.

(10-28-2013 06:52 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  If it isn't resolved to the elections board's satisfaction within that time frame the provisional ballot is thrown out.

How many people had their ballots thrown out? Proving where you live can't be that hard, so why is this a problem?

Why do you libs always live in a world where the worst case scenario always trumps reality?

(10-28-2013 07:32 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 05:09 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  I voted a couple of hours ago. I had to state my name and physical address. Then I had to sign a statement that was also witnessed and signed by an elections board worker. A bar code was scanned on that document and on my ballot. Only then was I given the ballot and allowed to vote. I think the over site that is in place works perfectly well and don't see the need for requiring an ID check as well. I proved my identity when I registered to vote years ago. If I lie in order to get a ballot I face serious criminal charges.

Damn, I would have rather just shown an ID and gotten on with it.

That logic doesn't work with the voter fraud deniers.

(10-28-2013 07:02 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 06:42 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 06:15 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 05:41 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Fraud doesn't really happen in the way those pushing for voter ID laws claim it happens. People do not go to the polls with a false name and address and get a ballot. Are there zero instances, no, but the number is miniscule. It isn't logical or effective. Fraud happens from the inside.

And you know this because?

Life experience, common sense, research data, and elections board investigations into allegations of fraud. Fraud happens but it is an inside job or involves vote buying. It is not a conspiracy involving people walking into the polling place with the name and address of dead persons still on the rolls or a person that hasn't voted in a number of cycles. It just doesn't work effectively and the likelihood of getting caught goes up substantially as the number of those involved goes up enough to make a difference.

Putting money in the hands of certain people can change close elections at the local level. I have seen that done. I know a couple of people that are scum of the earth. They will take money from whomever is willing to give it to them on the promise of getting them a certain number of votes. Those votes are all cast by registered voters.

If you know people committing election fraud did you turn them in? If you know and don't turn them in you are complicit.

It is awfully hard to prove and law enforcement is aware. What I did do was make sure that my county party organization made it abundantly clear that we would not play their game.

(10-28-2013 07:34 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 05:09 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  I voted a couple of hours ago. I had to state my name and physical address. Then I had to sign a statement that was also witnessed and signed by an elections board worker. A bar code was scanned on that document and on my ballot. Only then was I given the ballot and allowed to vote. I think the over site that is in place works perfectly well and don't see the need for requiring an ID check as well. I proved my identity when I registered to vote years ago. If I lie in order to get a ballot I face serious criminal charges.

And exactly how did the person working at the polls know that you were the same person who proved that identity years ago?

You prove who you are when you register to vote. Showing an id at the polls is redundant.

(10-28-2013 08:19 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 07:34 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 05:09 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  I voted a couple of hours ago. I had to state my name and physical address. Then I had to sign a statement that was also witnessed and signed by an elections board worker. A bar code was scanned on that document and on my ballot. Only then was I given the ballot and allowed to vote. I think the over site that is in place works perfectly well and don't see the need for requiring an ID check as well. I proved my identity when I registered to vote years ago. If I lie in order to get a ballot I face serious criminal charges.

And exactly how did the person working at the polls know that you were the same person who proved that identity years ago?

You prove who you are when you register to vote. Showing an id at the polls is redundant.

How does the worker at the poll know if you're the guy that registered under that name?

(10-28-2013 08:12 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 07:32 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 05:09 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  I voted a couple of hours ago. I had to state my name and physical address. Then I had to sign a statement that was also witnessed and signed by an elections board worker. A bar code was scanned on that document and on my ballot. Only then was I given the ballot and allowed to vote. I think the over site that is in place works perfectly well and don't see the need for requiring an ID check as well. I proved my identity when I registered to vote years ago. If I lie in order to get a ballot I face serious criminal charges.

Damn, I would have rather just shown an ID and gotten on with it.

That logic doesn't work with the voter fraud deniers.

Starting in 2016 we will have to do everything I just said and have my ID inspected. The number of early voting days will have been significantly reduced as well. If 2016 turnout is anything like 2008 and 2012 turnout where lines were sometimes hours long how long to you think it is going to take to cast your vote?

(10-28-2013 08:21 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 08:19 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 07:34 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 05:09 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  I voted a couple of hours ago. I had to state my name and physical address. Then I had to sign a statement that was also witnessed and signed by an elections board worker. A bar code was scanned on that document and on my ballot. Only then was I given the ballot and allowed to vote. I think the over site that is in place works perfectly well and don't see the need for requiring an ID check as well. I proved my identity when I registered to vote years ago. If I lie in order to get a ballot I face serious criminal charges.

And exactly how did the person working at the polls know that you were the same person who proved that identity years ago?

You prove who you are when you register to vote. Showing an id at the polls is redundant.

How does the worker at the poll know if you're the guy that registered under that name?

The same way he will know that the ID I show him starting in 2016 is a real ID and not a fake. He can't be 100% sure but I will be prosecuted if I am caught. How many people will risk prison time for committing a felony to cast one vote?

You wont have to state your name and physical address. That's on your ID.

Showing an ID is not going to increase waiting times.

(10-28-2013 08:32 PM)Paul M Wrote:  You wont have to state your name and physical address. That's on your ID.

Showing an ID is not going to increase waiting times.

So you are an expert on NC law? They didn't change this requirement. They added the ID requirement.

If you think showing an ID isn't going to increase wait times you are kidding yourself. If there is any discrepancy between the name and address on the voter registration and the ID it has to be resolved and you may not be allowed to vote. If it says Jr. on one and not the other that is a problem. If a married woman has her original middle name on one and her former last name as her middle on the other that is a problem. If your address lists the street but not apartment number on one and includes an apartment number on the other that is a problem. If there is an error when data was entered that is an issue. All of this has to be examined.

Now imagine that you work for a living and you run by the polls before work or during lunch. In many jobs if you are late for work you can lose you job. If you arrive to vote after work and drive an hour home what happens when you are in that line and you have to pick up your child at daycare by 6pm or face a surcharge. Do you wait in line or do you get out of line and go get your child.

North Carolina voting in 2016 is going to be a nightmare.

If you show up at the polls and there is a problem with your ID and registration matching you file a provisional ballot. It's checked after the polls close and before the vote is certified. If you are who you say you are your vote will count.

Europe manages to check IDs for voting. Canada does too. Their people work full-time too.
They manage and so will North Carolina.

Good lord. What a drama queen.

(10-28-2013 08:23 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 08:12 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 07:32 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 05:09 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  I voted a couple of hours ago. I had to state my name and physical address. Then I had to sign a statement that was also witnessed and signed by an elections board worker. A bar code was scanned on that document and on my ballot. Only then was I given the ballot and allowed to vote. I think the over site that is in place works perfectly well and don't see the need for requiring an ID check as well. I proved my identity when I registered to vote years ago. If I lie in order to get a ballot I face serious criminal charges.

Damn, I would have rather just shown an ID and gotten on with it.

That logic doesn't work with the voter fraud deniers.

Starting in 2016 we will have to do everything I just said and have my ID inspected. The number of early voting days will have been significantly reduced as well. If 2016 turnout is anything like 2008 and 2012 turnout where lines were sometimes hours long how long to you think it is going to take to cast your vote?

Was this the ID that you or another liberal in this thread said was the hardest part to get? If it's that hard to get the lines won't be that long.

(10-28-2013 09:04 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 08:23 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 08:12 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 07:32 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 05:09 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  I voted a couple of hours ago. I had to state my name and physical address. Then I had to sign a statement that was also witnessed and signed by an elections board worker. A bar code was scanned on that document and on my ballot. Only then was I given the ballot and allowed to vote. I think the over site that is in place works perfectly well and don't see the need for requiring an ID check as well. I proved my identity when I registered to vote years ago. If I lie in order to get a ballot I face serious criminal charges.

Damn, I would have rather just shown an ID and gotten on with it.

That logic doesn't work with the voter fraud deniers.

Starting in 2016 we will have to do everything I just said and have my ID inspected. The number of early voting days will have been significantly reduced as well. If 2016 turnout is anything like 2008 and 2012 turnout where lines were sometimes hours long how long to you think it is going to take to cast your vote?

Was this the ID that you or another liberal in this thread said was the hardest part to get? If it's that hard to get the lines won't be that long.

I drive so I have a license, and I haven't moved in 17 years so other then the long wait in line it will not be a problem for me.

(10-28-2013 09:08 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 09:04 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 08:23 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 08:12 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 07:32 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Damn, I would have rather just shown an ID and gotten on with it.

That logic doesn't work with the voter fraud deniers.

Starting in 2016 we will have to do everything I just said and have my ID inspected. The number of early voting days will have been significantly reduced as well. If 2016 turnout is anything like 2008 and 2012 turnout where lines were sometimes hours long how long to you think it is going to take to cast your vote?

Was this the ID that you or another liberal in this thread said was the hardest part to get? If it's that hard to get the lines won't be that long.

I drive so I have a license, and I haven't moved in 17 years so other then the long wait in line it will not be a problem for me.

And ID shouldn't be a problem for just about anyone who is alive and over 18. And you get an ID card when you're born, a birth certificate. I've had mine replaced twice when I was in California and I was born in NJ.

but SMN1256 you must be a genius if you managed to get your birth certificate form NJ while living in CA not once but twice.
it's sooooo hard.....