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how hard is it to get voter ID - john01992 - 10-27-2013 12:19 PM
http://www.lawyerscommittee.org/page?id=0046
and considering that a GOPer who went on the daily show to defend his states new ID laws got busted (and later fired) for saying....
1) a couple of racially charged comments
2) only 1-2 people vote illegally out of the 60,000 in his district
3) it doesnt matter that theres not enough fraudulent votes to sway an election
4) "the law is gonna kick the democrats in the butt"
and considering this lil clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw
can anyone please explain to me how these voter ID laws are......
1) necessary
2) about stopping voter fraud rather than give the GOP an advantage
RE: how hard is it to get voter ID - smn1256 - 10-27-2013 12:40 PM
Why carry around a drivers license, the cop will believe you when you say you have one.
RE: how hard is it to get voter ID - john01992 - 10-27-2013 12:51 PM
(10-27-2013 12:40 PM)smn1256 Wrote: Why carry around a drivers license, the cop will believe you when you say you have one.
yeah and god forbid anyone ever moves to another state, or changes their address
RE: how hard is it to get voter ID - blah - 10-27-2013 12:58 PM
(10-27-2013 12:51 PM)john01992 Wrote:(10-27-2013 12:40 PM)smn1256 Wrote: Why carry around a drivers license, the cop will believe you when you say you have one.
yeah and god forbid anyone ever moves to another state, or changes their address
And God forbid that you then go and update your information....whoa....so difficult.....and racist.
RE: how hard is it to get voter ID - UConn-SMU - 10-27-2013 01:01 PM
Libs think blacks are too stupid to obtain an I.D.
RE: how hard is it to get voter ID - john01992 - 10-27-2013 01:03 PM
(10-27-2013 12:58 PM)blah Wrote:(10-27-2013 12:51 PM)john01992 Wrote:(10-27-2013 12:40 PM)smn1256 Wrote: Why carry around a drivers license, the cop will believe you when you say you have one.
yeah and god forbid anyone ever moves to another state, or changes their address
And God forbid that you then go and update your information....whoa....so difficult.....and racist.
yeah if you wanna have to wait a couple hrs at the dmv everytime, then have longer voting lines because of the added time to check IDs yeah......thats not really a bad thing, we are only making the voting process much harder to fix a non existent problem
RE: how hard is it to get voter ID - smn1256 - 10-27-2013 01:08 PM
(10-27-2013 01:03 PM)john01992 Wrote:(10-27-2013 12:58 PM)blah Wrote:(10-27-2013 12:51 PM)john01992 Wrote:(10-27-2013 12:40 PM)smn1256 Wrote: Why carry around a drivers license, the cop will believe you when you say you have one.
yeah and god forbid anyone ever moves to another state, or changes their address
And God forbid that you then go and update your information....whoa....so difficult.....and racist.
yeah if you wanna have to wait a couple hrs at the dmv everytime, then have longer voting lines because of the added time to check IDs yeah......thats not really a bad thing, we are only making the voting process much harder to fix a non existent problem
So you really believe that if we let anybody vote just those who can do so legally will vote and no one who isn't supposed to vote won't. Is that what you want us to believe?
RE: how hard is it to get voter ID - HeartOfDixie - 10-27-2013 01:09 PM
The perception of irregularity is every bit as powerful in the minds of voters as the reality of it. Pointing out only a few votes get cast illegally is still enough to nullify an election in some people's mind because from their view, that illegal vote may have cancelled out their vote.
RE: how hard is it to get voter ID - john01992 - 10-27-2013 01:16 PM
(10-27-2013 01:08 PM)smn1256 Wrote:(10-27-2013 01:03 PM)john01992 Wrote:(10-27-2013 12:58 PM)blah Wrote:(10-27-2013 12:51 PM)john01992 Wrote:(10-27-2013 12:40 PM)smn1256 Wrote: Why carry around a drivers license, the cop will believe you when you say you have one.
yeah and god forbid anyone ever moves to another state, or changes their address
And God forbid that you then go and update your information....whoa....so difficult.....and racist.
yeah if you wanna have to wait a couple hrs at the dmv everytime, then have longer voting lines because of the added time to check IDs yeah......thats not really a bad thing, we are only making the voting process much harder to fix a non existent problem
So you really believe that if we let anybody vote just those who can do so legally will vote and no one who isn't supposed to vote won't. Is that what you want us to believe?
who says we let anybody vote? our current setup allows a very little amount of fraudulent votes to get though. the GOPer on the daily show even admitted this.
1-2 for the 60,000 in his district he said......
so tell me....whats so wrong with our system????
RE: how hard is it to get voter ID - john01992 - 10-27-2013 01:17 PM
(10-27-2013 01:09 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: The perception of irregularity is every bit as powerful in the minds of voters as the reality of it. Pointing out only a few votes get cast illegally is still enough to nullify an election in some people's mind because from their view, that illegal vote may have cancelled out their vote.
sorry but thats totally BS, f you say 1-2 fake votes nullify an entire election
then what do 1000s of disenfranchised votes do to not nullify an election in peoples minds
RE: how hard is it to get voter ID - john01992 - 10-27-2013 01:23 PM
and the conservatives on this board have clearly not read the links i posted. it goes so much more in detail than simply updating your information.
go look at the examples in the first link i posted. people who are blocked from voting because their birth certificate was lost over time, had a technicality block them from meeting a certain requirement (their house being in someone else's name, their hebrew name being on their birth certificate etc.)
pretty scary stuff
and the sad part is you guys pretend that that doesnt exist and have this fake notion that "everybody can do it very easily"
they are strict on this stuff, it once took me a month to change a car registry and about 4 trips to the dmv, the technicality that gave me the biggest headache was that a required signature had a slight smudge on it. there's no way that should be put in the voting process to fix a problem that doesnt exist
RE: how hard is it to get voter ID - HeartOfDixie - 10-27-2013 01:23 PM
(10-27-2013 01:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:(10-27-2013 01:09 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: The perception of irregularity is every bit as powerful in the minds of voters as the reality of it. Pointing out only a few votes get cast illegally is still enough to nullify an election in some people's mind because from their view, that illegal vote may have cancelled out their vote.
sorry but thats totally BS, f you say 1-2 fake votes nullify an entire election
then what do 1000s of disenfranchised votes do to note nullify an election
Sorry if pointing out reality is an issue for you. People don't like knowing a single illegal ballot was cast.
RE: how hard is it to get voter ID - john01992 - 10-27-2013 01:24 PM
(10-27-2013 01:23 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:(10-27-2013 01:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:(10-27-2013 01:09 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: The perception of irregularity is every bit as powerful in the minds of voters as the reality of it. Pointing out only a few votes get cast illegally is still enough to nullify an election in some people's mind because from their view, that illegal vote may have cancelled out their vote.
sorry but thats totally BS, f you say 1-2 fake votes nullify an entire election
then what do 1000s of disenfranchised votes do to note nullify an election
Sorry if pointing out reality is an issue for you. People don't like knowing a single illegal ballot was cast.
pointing out reality?????
you just point out your own stupidity....i call you out on it....you have no response to it.
1-2 people and you think that affects an election in anyway. you are the textbook definition of stupid then
RE: how hard is it to get voter ID - smn1256 - 10-27-2013 01:26 PM
(10-27-2013 01:23 PM)john01992 Wrote: and the conservatives on this board have clearly not read the links i posted. it goes so much more in detail than simply updating your information.
go look at the examples in the first link i posted. people who are blocked from voting because their birth certificate was lost over time, had a technicality block them from meeting a certain requirement (their house being in someone else's name, their hebrew name being on their birth certificate etc.)
pretty scary stuff
and the sad part is you guys pretend that that doesnt exist and have this fake notion that "everybody can do it very easily"
they are strict on this stuff, it once took me a month to change a car registry and about 4 trips to the dmv, the technicality that gave me the biggest headache was that a required signature had a slight smudge on it. there's no way that should be put in the voting process to fix a problem that doesnt exist
So fight against car registrations.
RE: how hard is it to get voter ID - dcCid - 10-27-2013 01:26 PM
if the GOPs really serious about voter fraud they would require a fingerprint on all ballots - especially absentee.
RE: how hard is it to get voter ID - HeartOfDixie - 10-27-2013 01:27 PM
(10-27-2013 01:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:(10-27-2013 01:23 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:(10-27-2013 01:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:(10-27-2013 01:09 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: The perception of irregularity is every bit as powerful in the minds of voters as the reality of it. Pointing out only a few votes get cast illegally is still enough to nullify an election in some people's mind because from their view, that illegal vote may have cancelled out their vote.
sorry but thats totally BS, f you say 1-2 fake votes nullify an entire election
then what do 1000s of disenfranchised votes do to note nullify an election
Sorry if pointing out reality is an issue for you. People don't like knowing a single illegal ballot was cast.
pointing out reality?????
you just point out your own stupidity....i call you out on it....you have no response to it.
1-2 people and you think that affects an election in anyway. you are the textbook definition of stupid then
Call me out?
Are you an idiot?
So you are saying people don't care that illegal ballots are cast?
Way to overreact and be a little kid about disagreeing. Clearly the public education system failed you.
RE: how hard is it to get voter ID - john01992 - 10-27-2013 01:27 PM
(10-27-2013 01:26 PM)smn1256 Wrote:(10-27-2013 01:23 PM)john01992 Wrote: and the conservatives on this board have clearly not read the links i posted. it goes so much more in detail than simply updating your information.
go look at the examples in the first link i posted. people who are blocked from voting because their birth certificate was lost over time, had a technicality block them from meeting a certain requirement (their house being in someone else's name, their hebrew name being on their birth certificate etc.)
pretty scary stuff
and the sad part is you guys pretend that that doesnt exist and have this fake notion that "everybody can do it very easily"
they are strict on this stuff, it once took me a month to change a car registry and about 4 trips to the dmv, the technicality that gave me the biggest headache was that a required signature had a slight smudge on it. there's no way that should be put in the voting process to fix a problem that doesnt exist
So fight against car registrations.
yeah well to get some of these IDs its a pretty similar process dipshit
RE: how hard is it to get voter ID - HeartOfDixie - 10-27-2013 01:29 PM
Why is this little man, John, so angry?
RE: how hard is it to get voter ID - Paul M - 10-27-2013 01:30 PM
NO ONE is disenfranchised by ID.
And it's pretty damn racist to keep saying id laws would help the GOP.
RE: how hard is it to get voter ID - smn1256 - 10-27-2013 01:31 PM
(10-27-2013 01:27 PM)john01992 Wrote:(10-27-2013 01:26 PM)smn1256 Wrote:(10-27-2013 01:23 PM)john01992 Wrote: and the conservatives on this board have clearly not read the links i posted. it goes so much more in detail than simply updating your information.
go look at the examples in the first link i posted. people who are blocked from voting because their birth certificate was lost over time, had a technicality block them from meeting a certain requirement (their house being in someone else's name, their hebrew name being on their birth certificate etc.)
pretty scary stuff
and the sad part is you guys pretend that that doesnt exist and have this fake notion that "everybody can do it very easily"
they are strict on this stuff, it once took me a month to change a car registry and about 4 trips to the dmv, the technicality that gave me the biggest headache was that a required signature had a slight smudge on it. there's no way that should be put in the voting process to fix a problem that doesnt exist
So fight against car registrations.
yeah well to get some of these IDs its a pretty similar process dipshit
But the bottom line is that you got the IDs, right? So what is it you were arguing again?