I still haven't seen anything official covering 06-09 from the car bowl. From th BE or meineke. I agree, there aren't many options for them.

Look through the Charlotte Observer's archives. I don't care enough too, but I bet you can find your answer there or email their sports editor, he's a nice guy and returns emails.

CardinalZen Wrote:The article at the link which 3601 Beale provided is from December 28th, i.e. before the latest rounds of bowl agreements were finalized.

Darn those pesky facts!

CUSA fans think that starting some grassroots lie on a message board is going to make a bowl forget it's got a signed contract until 2009.

As for OrangeAid, I agree with what was said above in that he's basically either not a Syracuse fan, or else he's just clueless and likes to start crap. Everything he posts is disagreeing to disagree when he's clearly wrong, etc.

As for the Memphis fans, let's talk about how the Big East is taking CUSA's spot in the Liberty Bowl this fall. Wait, that isn't happening? Well, neither is this! lmfao

The last was they want more options with the ACC and want to investigate all options concerning opponent for them.

This same post was found in the CUSA board posted by Tallgrass an ECU fan. Its also had link to 12/28/05
Here are some facts about the Meinike Bowl
Posted: 27 Mar 2006 12:07 am Post subject:

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Here are attendance figures from the minimum paying bowls last year.
1. Meineke 57,937
2.Motor City 50,616
3.Insight 43,536
4.Poinsetta 36,842
5.GMAC 35,422
6.FTW 33,505
7.MPC 39,493
8.Hawaii 26,254
9.Emerald 25,742
10.New Orleans 18,338
In fact Meineke Bowl attendance was higher than
Capital-one that pays 5.2 mill
Liberty 1.35 mill
Independence 1.2 mill
Sun Bowl 1.5 mill
Las Vegas
Champs
Houston
Music City
All those Bowls pay more than Meineke. So he better get a grip on where they stand.

The high bowl attendance is because of the acc tie-in. NOT USF's 2,000 fans. The Meineke Bowl is not happy with the Big East and does in fact want a relationship with ECU or related conference. They realize that if ECU is in that bowl the attendance goes from 57,000 to 74,000.

If anyone doubts this, let me know your email and I will forward you a email from Will Webb from the Meineke Bowl. There is huge support for ECU from the Meineke Bowl and the Liberty Bowl.

The Meineke Bowl will ultimately be removed from the Big East or will be a "share" bowl like the Gator. Unless the Big East makes a move to secure it.

Quote:They realize that if ECU is in that bowl the attendance goes from 57,000 to 74,000.

Same could be said for WVU and Louisville.

Quote:Unless the Big East makes a move to secure it.

Agreed 100%. We should add Central Florida to secure it.

First off i never said that the attendance was due to BE nor USF.
The facts are that theACC is NOT happy with them because they have made no bones that they want to choose from NC,NCST,VTech,Clemson and VA yearly.
They wanted no part of BC nor GTech. In my book they need to get a grip of reality they are a lower paying bowl and as proven by my post that would mean 30-35,000 at their game.
The BE would bring WV,Louisville and ND that could bring more fans to that game other than ECU or Marshall from CUSA. So really CUSA does not bring a better deal for them unless they were guaranteed Marshall or ECU yearly.
If you want to talk crap get your facts straight i was at the Meineke Bowl last year and USF had 6,000 easily. our side was full in the lower level from the 20 all the way to end zone.
You are fooling yourself if you think any other CUSA team would bring 15,000+ to that game.

Sec217 Wrote:The high bowl attendance is because of the acc tie-in. NOT USF's 2,000 fans. The Meineke Bowl is not happy with the Big East and does in fact want a relationship with ECU or related conference. They realize that if ECU is in that bowl the attendance goes from 57,000 to 74,000.

If anyone doubts this, let me know your email and I will forward you a email from Will Webb from the Meineke Bowl. There is huge support for ECU from the Meineke Bowl and the Liberty Bowl.

The Meineke Bowl will ultimately be removed from the Big East or will be a "share" bowl like the Gator. Unless the Big East makes a move to secure it.

There is some truth to your statements but you are very good at overstating things.

First, ECU would not be in the bowl every year. Heck, first they have to be eligible, which has not happened for half a decade.

2nd, what does the Liberty care about regarding ECU? They will bring more than most others in CUSA so I'm sure they'd be happy if ECU ever stepped to the plate and played well enough to play in the league title game. However, as far as conference realignment, the Liberty isn't going to switch leagues based on what ECU does. Even if the Pirates came to the Big East they would not bring the most fans to Memphis out of the Big East teams.

Lastly, regarding your last paragraph, let's cut to the chase. You don't KNOW what the bowl/conference agreements will be anymore than anyone else on here, so let's not act like you do. We're well aware of public statements but when the rubber meets the road in negotiations it's all a guess, not a surity.

3601 Wrote:A few short months ago there was celebration by some on this message board because the Big East was going to "steal" the Liberty Bowl from C-USA.

My, how things have changed. Maybe tigershark is dead wrong about the value that some C-USA schools can bring to a conference.

That link was 3 or 4 months old.

3601 Wrote:A few short months ago there was celebration by some on this message board because the Big East was going to "steal" the Liberty Bowl from C-USA.

My, how things have changed. Maybe tigershark is dead wrong about the value that some C-USA schools can bring to a conference.

I am sure that the Charlotte Bowl gets CDOA's #3 or 4 team and they only bring in 5-10K people that they are going to consider it a big upgrade. Especially when you consider the step down in competition they are getting.

Furthermore, the Charlotte Bowl treated eveyone like crap. USF had 6K strong and with the majority of the hoteliers estatic that most USF fans stayed at least one night in Charlotte. How much business did they get from hometown NC State?

CyberBull Wrote:

3601 Wrote:A few short months ago there was celebration by some on this message board because the Big East was going to "steal" the Liberty Bowl from C-USA.

My, how things have changed. Maybe tigershark is dead wrong about the value that some C-USA schools can bring to a conference.

I am sure that the Charlotte Bowl gets CDOA's #3 or 4 team and they only bring in 5-10K people that they are going to consider it a big upgrade. Especially when you consider the step down in competition they are getting.

Furthermore, the Charlotte Bowl treated eveyone like crap. USF had 6K strong and with the majority of the hoteliers estatic that most USF fans stayed at least one night in Charlotte. How much business did they get from hometown NC State?

Bottomline: The Muffler Bowl would never align with C-DOA...only ECU and to a lesser extent Marshall and USM could bring any amount of fans. ECU would be the only team that could send more than 20,000 from CUSA and 80% would be daytrippers.

I agree with everything you said except the 80% of ECU fans would be day trippers. That is flat out wrong, and we have a history of games in charlotte to prove that wrong. Charlotte is far enough away from Greenville that the majority of ECU fans will spend the night and money in charlotte. The previous games ECU has played in charlotte have proved that and the city is well aware of it. That is one reason why charoltte would like for ECU to be a part of the bowl.

All of this is meaningless chatter until we start winning games and get back to bowl games. I feel that this year we will be back in a bowl. It has been a long long dry spell, and if ECU gets into a bowl that is within 10-12 hour drive from Greenville, you better believe there will be 20k+ ECU fans there. We are hungry and want to prove we are worthy of consideration if the BE were to expand.

Daytrippers? Is that why everywhere in Greenville is sold out every single home football Saturday and people book their hotels months in advance?

CollegeCard Wrote:

Sec217 Wrote:The high bowl attendance is because of the acc tie-in. NOT USF's 2,000 fans. The Meineke Bowl is not happy with the Big East and does in fact want a relationship with ECU or related conference. They realize that if ECU is in that bowl the attendance goes from 57,000 to 74,000.

If anyone doubts this, let me know your email and I will forward you a email from Will Webb from the Meineke Bowl. There is huge support for ECU from the Meineke Bowl and the Liberty Bowl.

The Meineke Bowl will ultimately be removed from the Big East or will be a "share" bowl like the Gator. Unless the Big East makes a move to secure it.

There is some truth to your statements but you are very good at overstating things.

First, ECU would not be in the bowl every year. Heck, first they have to be eligible, which has not happened for half a decade.

2nd, what does the Liberty care about regarding ECU? They will bring more than most others in CUSA so I'm sure they'd be happy if ECU ever stepped to the plate and played well enough to play in the league title game. However, as far as conference realignment, the Liberty isn't going to switch leagues based on what ECU does. Even if the Pirates came to the Big East they would not bring the most fans to Memphis out of the Big East teams.

Lastly, regarding your last paragraph, let's cut to the chase. You don't KNOW what the bowl/conference agreements will be anymore than anyone else on here, so let's not act like you do. We're well aware of public statements but when the rubber meets the road in negotiations it's all a guess, not a surity.

ECU brought 30,000 to the Peach, and 20,000 & 15,000 to the Liberty Bowl in back to back years. The current chairman of the Liberty Bowl was the same guy when we went there 10 years ago, and after ECU was left out of CUSA for that first year the Liberty Bowl wrote a clause that they could take ECU or the CUSA champ. Erhart said we helped save the bowl after it was coming of the commanders cup tie in.

Here is the audio from the Liberty Bowl director on ECU....fast foward to 35 mins in and he will tell you what ECU meant to the Liberty Bowl and what weight we carry with them. We were a big reason CUSA kept the tie in as well

http://www.wbvl.com/content/cable7/Shows...kboard.wma

As far as Charlotte the same people that run the Bowl have contracted on 2 previous ECU games in Charlotte. One with West Virginia and one with NC State and have another one coming up the next few years with Virginia Tech with this same company. If it wasn't lucrative it would never happen. They know the potential we have in Charlotte and have brought as many as 35-40K when we had a good team to play a 3-7 NC State team back in 1996 and brought about 20K on thanksgiving weekend in the cold and a 2-8 record two years ago to play a 4-6 NC State team.

BTW been 4 years since we went to a bowl, and had we played a D1aa like Memphis we would have went this year. 5-6 vs 6-5 and we lost 24-27 to them in Memphis with Deangelo. not a heck of a lot of difference only we didn't play Chattanooga or any D1aa like they did.

You ECU fans are so funny. If you need the 1AA teams to make a bowl, why didn't you schedule them? Why schedule 2-3 BCS teams a year if you can't handle it? But hey, at least you get to watch your team being beat by a Virginia Tech instead of a Wake Forest or Duke.

BullsFanatic Wrote:You ECU fans are so funny. If you need the 1AA teams to make a bowl, why didn't you schedule them? Why schedule 2-3 BCS teams a year if you can't handle it? But hey, at least you get to watch your team being beat by a Virginia Tech instead of a Wake Forest or Duke.

Or we could watched our team outplay a top 5, Sugar Bowl champ West Virginia in Morgantown this past year. Most WV fans said we deserved to win that game, and to answer your question as to why we schedule 3-4 BCS schools a year. Because we can, we can get home and homes with rival teams that will generate excitement with in our program that Bill and Mary or NC A&T or some D1a sister of the poor can never deliver and we can expand our stadium and sell it out regularly.

It's called ambition

http://www.bonesville.net/Articles/Other...Future.htm

We have consistantly beaten these type of teams in the past and will be more likely to take quite a few of these as they have to vist us just as much as we visit them now. 1999 and 2000 wasn't decades ago, we swept through Miami, Texas Tech, West Virginia, Syracuse, NC State, S. Carolina and Duke in just those two years.

Quote:Or we could watched our team outplay a top 5, Sugar Bowl champ West Virginia in Morgantown this past year. Most WV fans said we deserved to win that game

I would argue that we were not a top 5 team while Bednarik was QB and Slaton was receiving minimal carries at HB. But point taken.

StillJonesing Wrote:

CollegeCard Wrote:

Sec217 Wrote:The high bowl attendance is because of the acc tie-in. NOT USF's 2,000 fans. The Meineke Bowl is not happy with the Big East and does in fact want a relationship with ECU or related conference. They realize that if ECU is in that bowl the attendance goes from 57,000 to 74,000.

If anyone doubts this, let me know your email and I will forward you a email from Will Webb from the Meineke Bowl. There is huge support for ECU from the Meineke Bowl and the Liberty Bowl.

The Meineke Bowl will ultimately be removed from the Big East or will be a "share" bowl like the Gator. Unless the Big East makes a move to secure it.

There is some truth to your statements but you are very good at overstating things.

First, ECU would not be in the bowl every year. Heck, first they have to be eligible, which has not happened for half a decade.

2nd, what does the Liberty care about regarding ECU? They will bring more than most others in CUSA so I'm sure they'd be happy if ECU ever stepped to the plate and played well enough to play in the league title game. However, as far as conference realignment, the Liberty isn't going to switch leagues based on what ECU does. Even if the Pirates came to the Big East they would not bring the most fans to Memphis out of the Big East teams.

Lastly, regarding your last paragraph, let's cut to the chase. You don't KNOW what the bowl/conference agreements will be anymore than anyone else on here, so let's not act like you do. We're well aware of public statements but when the rubber meets the road in negotiations it's all a guess, not a surity.

ECU brought 30,000 to the Peach, and 20,000 & 15,000 to the Liberty Bowl in back to back years. The current chairman of the Liberty Bowl was the same guy when we went there 10 years ago, and after ECU was left out of CUSA for that first year the Liberty Bowl wrote a clause that they could take ECU or the CUSA champ. Erhart said we helped save the bowl after it was coming of the commanders cup tie in.

Here is the audio from the Liberty Bowl director on ECU....fast foward to 35 mins in and he will tell you what ECU meant to the Liberty Bowl and what weight we carry with them. We were a big reason CUSA kept the tie in as well

http://www.wbvl.com/content/cable7/Shows...kboard.wma

As far as Charlotte the same people that run the Bowl have contracted on 2 previous ECU games in Charlotte. One with West Virginia and one with NC State and have another one coming up the next few years with Virginia Tech with this same company. If it wasn't lucrative it would never happen. They know the potential we have in Charlotte and have brought as many as 35-40K when we had a good team to play a 3-7 NC State team back in 1996 and brought about 20K on thanksgiving weekend in the cold and a 2-8 record two years ago to play a 4-6 NC State team.

BTW been 4 years since we went to a bowl, and had we played a D1aa like Memphis we would have went this year. 5-6 vs 6-5 and we lost 24-27 to them in Memphis with Deangelo. not a heck of a lot of difference only we didn't play Chattanooga or any D1aa like they did.

That's all well and good, but it changes absolutely nothing about what I said.

1) The Liberty Bowl is not hooking onto the Big East because we add a 9th team that is ECU

2) Even if ECU joins the league they are not the team among the 9 that would take the most to Memphis. I know for a fact they don't even come close to how many UofL takes down there. You admit above with your 15-20k number, compared to 25,000-30,000 for UofL for all 3 years we have been there this decade. Maybe they take more than WVU, probably close there, but who knows since WVU has never been.

Like I said, while you are in CUSA I'm sure they rather have you make it over anyone besides Memphis, but that doesn't change my #1 or #2.

CollegeCard Wrote:

StillJonesing Wrote:

CollegeCard Wrote:

Sec217 Wrote:The high bowl attendance is because of the acc tie-in. NOT USF's 2,000 fans. The Meineke Bowl is not happy with the Big East and does in fact want a relationship with ECU or related conference. They realize that if ECU is in that bowl the attendance goes from 57,000 to 74,000.

If anyone doubts this, let me know your email and I will forward you a email from Will Webb from the Meineke Bowl. There is huge support for ECU from the Meineke Bowl and the Liberty Bowl.

The Meineke Bowl will ultimately be removed from the Big East or will be a "share" bowl like the Gator. Unless the Big East makes a move to secure it.

There is some truth to your statements but you are very good at overstating things.

First, ECU would not be in the bowl every year. Heck, first they have to be eligible, which has not happened for half a decade.

2nd, what does the Liberty care about regarding ECU? They will bring more than most others in CUSA so I'm sure they'd be happy if ECU ever stepped to the plate and played well enough to play in the league title game. However, as far as conference realignment, the Liberty isn't going to switch leagues based on what ECU does. Even if the Pirates came to the Big East they would not bring the most fans to Memphis out of the Big East teams.

Lastly, regarding your last paragraph, let's cut to the chase. You don't KNOW what the bowl/conference agreements will be anymore than anyone else on here, so let's not act like you do. We're well aware of public statements but when the rubber meets the road in negotiations it's all a guess, not a surity.

ECU brought 30,000 to the Peach, and 20,000 & 15,000 to the Liberty Bowl in back to back years. The current chairman of the Liberty Bowl was the same guy when we went there 10 years ago, and after ECU was left out of CUSA for that first year the Liberty Bowl wrote a clause that they could take ECU or the CUSA champ. Erhart said we helped save the bowl after it was coming of the commanders cup tie in.

Here is the audio from the Liberty Bowl director on ECU....fast foward to 35 mins in and he will tell you what ECU meant to the Liberty Bowl and what weight we carry with them. We were a big reason CUSA kept the tie in as well

http://www.wbvl.com/content/cable7/Shows...kboard.wma

As far as Charlotte the same people that run the Bowl have contracted on 2 previous ECU games in Charlotte. One with West Virginia and one with NC State and have another one coming up the next few years with Virginia Tech with this same company. If it wasn't lucrative it would never happen. They know the potential we have in Charlotte and have brought as many as 35-40K when we had a good team to play a 3-7 NC State team back in 1996 and brought about 20K on thanksgiving weekend in the cold and a 2-8 record two years ago to play a 4-6 NC State team.

BTW been 4 years since we went to a bowl, and had we played a D1aa like Memphis we would have went this year. 5-6 vs 6-5 and we lost 24-27 to them in Memphis with Deangelo. not a heck of a lot of difference only we didn't play Chattanooga or any D1aa like they did.

That's all well and good, but it changes absolutely nothing about what I said.

1) The Liberty Bowl is not hooking onto the Big East because we add a 9th team that is ECU

2) Even if ECU joins the league they are not the team among the 9 that would take the most to Memphis. I know for a fact they don't even come close to how many UofL takes down there. You admit above with your 15-20k number, compared to 25,000-30,000 for UofL for all 3 years we have been there this decade. Maybe they take more than WVU, probably close there, but who knows since WVU has never been.

Like I said, while you are in CUSA I'm sure they rather have you make it over anyone besides Memphis, but that doesn't change my #1 or #2.

I say we would bring much more these days to a significant bowls like the Peach or Liberty now. Remember those bowls and numbers were from the mid 90's and our school and fan base has grown more now and will continue to grow as NC is one of the fastest growing states and we are increasing enrollment every year. Fact is we have 7 or 8k more students now and many more Alumni. Also I bet our travel numbers were as good or better than Louisville in that time period of the early 90's, and lets be real a trip to Memphis for ECU fans is a little more of a task than Louisville. Kind of like what Charlotte is for us. What were you bringing to Memphis in the early 90's??

The main point that needs to be pointed out is that the Big East needs a team with a traveling reputation to secure bowls. We would keep the bowl in Charlotte happy, and I think we would help a lot with the Gator or any of the other bowls you guys have or want to land.

Listen to the interview if you don't buy it.