(06-11-2013 05:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 04:55 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 04:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I have been saying all along that the Liberty Bowl's priority would be P5 vs P5 and never believed Memphis fan boasts that the Lib would cater to Memphis, so if this report is true I will not be surprised at all.

Between Cincinnati, Memphis, and ECU the Liberty Bowl will get an excellent turnout from the AAC. I will be extremely upset if we get shafted...

Problem is, they can get good attendance from the SEC as well, and the SEC is a more prestigious and media-desirable tie to have.

Seriously, if you were the Chairman of the Liberty Bowl, getting paid to do what is best for the bowl, and it came down to making a tie with the AAC or the SEC, can you honestly say you'd choose the AAC?

The #1 school from the AAC could *most definitely* be better for the Liberty Bowl than the #7, 8, 9 school from the P(whatever) conference. Those P schools will view a trip to the bowl as a failure. The fans will not be excited. The AAC champion fans will be JAZZED, this will be their REWARD for a great season.

There is every possibility that the AAC champion is ranked higher than the #7, 8, 9 school from the P(whatever) conference.

Hotel rooms, TV eyeballs, ticket sales... by any metric the AAC champ 'could' out perform a lower P5. Did anyone see what LV did to UF last year? This P5 superiority falls apart rapidly under the right circumstances. That was champ on champ. Now we're talking about taking on their 7-9 school... That's why we play games.

(06-11-2013 05:20 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 05:15 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Quo, ONE MEMPHIS FAN has been saying we will definitely get the Liberty Bowl. Stop acting like it's the whole damn fan base.

TripleA, I am thinking about the whole past year and longer, not just the last few weeks or whatever. No, I don't have time to scour and search for old posts, but i distinctly remember that when Memphis was invited to join the Big East, their fans who flooded this board - not every single one, but more than just one - made boasts about "delivering the Liberty Bowl".

Heck, there was even some talk about FedEx putting up $10 million or so to make the Liberty a quasi-BCS level bowl that we would play in. Sorry, but i am not making this up.

That was 16 months ago. Back when lots of things were different, including 10 teams no longer here (or leaving), millions less in TV money than was thought back then, etc.

Nobody but Gray Avenger has made any claim about the Liberty Bowl for months now, probably since last summer.

(06-11-2013 05:23 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 05:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 04:55 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 04:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I have been saying all along that the Liberty Bowl's priority would be P5 vs P5 and never believed Memphis fan boasts that the Lib would cater to Memphis, so if this report is true I will not be surprised at all.

Between Cincinnati, Memphis, and ECU the Liberty Bowl will get an excellent turnout from the AAC. I will be extremely upset if we get shafted...

Problem is, they can get good attendance from the SEC as well, and the SEC is a more prestigious and media-desirable tie to have.

Seriously, if you were the Chairman of the Liberty Bowl, getting paid to do what is best for the bowl, and it came down to making a tie with the AAC or the SEC, can you honestly say you'd choose the AAC?

The #1 school from the AAC could *most definitely* be better for the Liberty Bowl than the #7, 8, 9 school from the P(whatever) conference. Those P schools will view a trip to the bowl as a failure. The fans will not be excited. The AAC champion fans will be JAZZED, this will be their REWARD for a great season.

There is every possibility that the AAC champion is ranked higher than the #7, 8, 9 school from the P(whatever) conference.

Hotel rooms, TV eyeballs, ticket sales... by any metric the AAC champ 'could' out perform a lower P5. Did anyone see what LV did to UF last year? This P5 superiority falls apart rapidly under the right circumstances. That was champ on champ. Now we're talking about taking on their 7-9 school... That's why we play games.

It wasn't champ vs champ, Alabama won the SEC, Georgia was the #2 and TAMU was arguably the #3.

(06-11-2013 05:23 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 05:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 04:55 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 04:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I have been saying all along that the Liberty Bowl's priority would be P5 vs P5 and never believed Memphis fan boasts that the Lib would cater to Memphis, so if this report is true I will not be surprised at all.

Between Cincinnati, Memphis, and ECU the Liberty Bowl will get an excellent turnout from the AAC. I will be extremely upset if we get shafted...

Problem is, they can get good attendance from the SEC as well, and the SEC is a more prestigious and media-desirable tie to have.

Seriously, if you were the Chairman of the Liberty Bowl, getting paid to do what is best for the bowl, and it came down to making a tie with the AAC or the SEC, can you honestly say you'd choose the AAC?

The #1 school from the AAC could *most definitely* be better for the Liberty Bowl than the #7, 8, 9 school from the P(whatever) conference. Those P schools will view a trip to the bowl as a failure. The fans will not be excited. The AAC champion fans will be JAZZED, this will be their REWARD for a great season.

There is every possibility that the AAC champion is ranked higher than the #7, 8, 9 school from the P(whatever) conference.

Hotel rooms, TV eyeballs, ticket sales... by any metric the AAC champ 'could' out perform a lower P5. Did anyone see what LV did to UF last year? This P5 superiority falls apart rapidly under the right circumstances. That was champ on champ. Now we're talking about taking on their 7-9 school... That's why we play games.

Maybe so, but does the Liberty Bowl believe that? The available evidence says "no", otherwise why did they sign on with the Big 12, which will be sending their #7 or #8 (or somesuch) team and yet have not signed our #1?

And the Big 12 is clearly farther-afield than the SEC, so I bet the Liberty is gunning for an SEC bid. I mean, how many SEC teams are within easy driving distance? Ole Miss, Miss State, Arkansas, Missouri, Vandy, Tennessee ...? It would be rather surprising if a bowl in a state with two SEC teams isn't interested in an SEC bid ...

These bowls have a big prestige and media-appeal factor. Bottom line is that an Ole Miss or a Tennessee, even if they are SEC #9 in a given year, attract more prestige and media attention to the Liberty Bowl than a UCF, USF, Memphis, or Temple would even as AAC #1.

(06-11-2013 05:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 04:55 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 04:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I have been saying all along that the Liberty Bowl's priority would be P5 vs P5 and never believed Memphis fan boasts that the Lib would cater to Memphis, so if this report is true I will not be surprised at all.

Between Cincinnati, Memphis, and ECU the Liberty Bowl will get an excellent turnout from the AAC. I will be extremely upset if we get shafted...

Problem is, they can get good attendance from the SEC as well, and the SEC is a more prestigious and media-desirable tie to have.

Seriously, if you were the Chairman of the Liberty Bowl, getting paid to do what is best for the bowl, and it came down to making a tie with the AAC or the SEC, can you honestly say you'd choose the AAC?

You are right.

I'm really just upset because even though Cincinnati draws extremely well for bowl games, being associated with these lesser programs in the AAC is going to screw our fan base. Hell, even Louisville couldn't even sell out their Sugar Bowl allotment in their game against Florida and Florida sold only like 7,000. Cincinnati sold all 17,500 tickets in a week in the same match up at the same bowl. Just another example of why Cincinnati got completely shafted by conference realignment despite what they have accomplished as a program. Just a f*ckin joke all around...

(06-11-2013 05:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 05:23 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 05:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 04:55 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 04:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I have been saying all along that the Liberty Bowl's priority would be P5 vs P5 and never believed Memphis fan boasts that the Lib would cater to Memphis, so if this report is true I will not be surprised at all.

Between Cincinnati, Memphis, and ECU the Liberty Bowl will get an excellent turnout from the AAC. I will be extremely upset if we get shafted...

Problem is, they can get good attendance from the SEC as well, and the SEC is a more prestigious and media-desirable tie to have.

Seriously, if you were the Chairman of the Liberty Bowl, getting paid to do what is best for the bowl, and it came down to making a tie with the AAC or the SEC, can you honestly say you'd choose the AAC?

The #1 school from the AAC could *most definitely* be better for the Liberty Bowl than the #7, 8, 9 school from the P(whatever) conference. Those P schools will view a trip to the bowl as a failure. The fans will not be excited. The AAC champion fans will be JAZZED, this will be their REWARD for a great season.

There is every possibility that the AAC champion is ranked higher than the #7, 8, 9 school from the P(whatever) conference.

Hotel rooms, TV eyeballs, ticket sales... by any metric the AAC champ 'could' out perform a lower P5. Did anyone see what LV did to UF last year? This P5 superiority falls apart rapidly under the right circumstances. That was champ on champ. Now we're talking about taking on their 7-9 school... That's why we play games.

Maybe so, but does the Liberty Bowl believe that? The available evidence says "no", otherwise why did they sign on with the Big 12, which will be sending their #7 or #8 (or somesuch) team and yet have not signed our #1?

And the Big 12 is clearly farther-afield than the SEC, so I bet the Liberty is gunning for an SEC bid.

These bowls have a big prestige and media-appeal factor. Bottom line is that an Ole Miss or a Tennessee, even if they are SEC #9 in a given year, attract more prestige and media attention to the Liberty Bowl than a UCF, USF, Memphis, or Temple would even as AAC #1.

The Liberty bowl isn't sure yet or the announcement would be made they already have the Big 12 on the other side. I still think there might be a deal worked with the Liberty/Bham bowl SEC and the AAC

If our bowls have to be against other GO5 schools (assuming we dont get into a P5 bowl through backup agreements) Lets go ahead and put our bowls in the best possible locale for travel.

(06-11-2013 06:13 PM)SoonerFan123 Wrote:  If our bowls have to be against other GO5 schools (assuming we dont get into a P5 bowl through backup agreements) Lets go ahead and put our bowls in the best possible locale for travel.

Taallllllgraaaasssss is here

(06-11-2013 05:33 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 05:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 04:55 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 04:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I have been saying all along that the Liberty Bowl's priority would be P5 vs P5 and never believed Memphis fan boasts that the Lib would cater to Memphis, so if this report is true I will not be surprised at all.

Between Cincinnati, Memphis, and ECU the Liberty Bowl will get an excellent turnout from the AAC. I will be extremely upset if we get shafted...

Problem is, they can get good attendance from the SEC as well, and the SEC is a more prestigious and media-desirable tie to have.

Seriously, if you were the Chairman of the Liberty Bowl, getting paid to do what is best for the bowl, and it came down to making a tie with the AAC or the SEC, can you honestly say you'd choose the AAC?

You are right.

I'm really just upset because even though Cincinnati draws extremely well for bowl games, being associated with these lesser programs in the AAC is going to screw our fan base. Hell, even Louisville couldn't even sell out their Sugar Bowl allotment in their game against Florida and Florida sold only like 7,000. Cincinnati sold all 17,500 tickets in a week in the same match up at the same bowl. Just another example of why Cincinnati got completely shafted by conference realignment despite what they have accomplished as a program. Just a f*ckin joke all around...

Yes but what good does whining about it do. We just signed the AD until 2020. He is the only one along with Prez Santa Ono that can fix it. It will be a few years and maybe Big 12 invite.

(06-11-2013 05:33 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 05:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 04:55 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 04:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I have been saying all along that the Liberty Bowl's priority would be P5 vs P5 and never believed Memphis fan boasts that the Lib would cater to Memphis, so if this report is true I will not be surprised at all.

Between Cincinnati, Memphis, and ECU the Liberty Bowl will get an excellent turnout from the AAC. I will be extremely upset if we get shafted...

Problem is, they can get good attendance from the SEC as well, and the SEC is a more prestigious and media-desirable tie to have.

Seriously, if you were the Chairman of the Liberty Bowl, getting paid to do what is best for the bowl, and it came down to making a tie with the AAC or the SEC, can you honestly say you'd choose the AAC?

You are right.

I'm really just upset because even though Cincinnati draws extremely well for bowl games, being associated with these lesser programs in the AAC is going to screw our fan base. Hell, even Louisville couldn't even sell out their Sugar Bowl allotment in their game against Florida and Florida sold only like 7,000. Cincinnati sold all 17,500 tickets in a week in the same match up at the same bowl. Just another example of why Cincinnati got completely shafted by conference realignment despite what they have accomplished as a program. Just a f*ckin joke all around...

If Cincy was higher than the " lesser programs", Cincy would not be in the AAC. Besides, your fan turn out on game day is not that impressive. Like it or not, we are stuck in the land of misfit toys together.

(06-11-2013 05:33 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 05:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 04:55 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 04:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

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You are right.

I'm really just upset because even though Cincinnati draws extremely well for bowl games, being associated with these lesser programs in the AAC is going to screw our fan base. Hell, even Louisville couldn't even sell out their Sugar Bowl allotment in their game against Florida and Florida sold only like 7,000. Cincinnati sold all 17,500 tickets in a week in the same match up at the same bowl. Just another example of why Cincinnati got completely shafted by conference realignment despite what they have accomplished as a program. Just a f*ckin joke all around...

Hate to tell you this, but Cincy is seen as part of these lesser programs. That is why you are still here.

Lol, do you really think 17k tickets is impressive for the f'ing Sugar Bowl? ECU sold 30k to a Liberty Bowl. Be serious

(06-11-2013 07:33 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Lol, do you really think 17k tickets is impressive for the f'ing Sugar Bowl? ECU sold 30k to a Liberty Bowl. Be serious

Dude, that was just the required ticket sales. We brought 30000to the Sugar. The point is that other power 5 teams are not selling their tickets yet we speak as if they are.

The post season freeze out...

This isn't completely over. Our bowl lineup will not be particularly impressive, but we can still have a post season that's worth looking forward to.

Best case--we get Liberty vs Big 12 #4. Aresco Bowl vs low ACC. Military vs ACC. New Orleans vs Sunbelt #1. Somewhere vs MAC champ. That's a solid game for our number one. A total of three bowls vs power conferences---plus two bowls vs conference champs. Add a few trash bowls and backups to bottom and we have a respectable post season lineup thats full of easy to travel to bowls.


The alternate plan if we lose the Liberty and the P-5 freeze us out----Same as above except we start the Aresco Bowl in Texas. We create an Aresco Bowl thats paying more than the Vegas Bowl and have our champ play the MW champ. Step two in this scenario would be to sign back-up contracts with most eastern P5 bowls. Then we would sign ties with 5-7 junk bowls with the option to upgrade to one our back-up contracts if one of the power conference bowls has an opening. This actually would give us games vs 3 conference champs and virtually guarantees that several of our teams would play in a much better bowl than we could ever land on a full time basis in the present environment. Even of you can't land the MW champion, the likelihood is this strategy would almost always land our champ in a decent bowl--probably Liberty level or better.

If only junk bowls can be signed they need to be games that can be traded/swapped easily. Anything below the Liberty and Military bowl needs to be flexible and easily traded when P5 spots inevitably go unfilled. Basically it looks like if the Liberty is not kept Aresco and company are either going to have to send the champ to play pure trash or pretty much shop the champ every year and get them in the best unfilled P5 bowl.

(06-11-2013 07:45 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  If only junk bowls can be signed they need to be games that can be traded/swapped easily. Anything below the Liberty and Military bowl needs to be flexible and easily traded when P5 spots inevitably go unfilled. Basically it looks like if the Liberty is not kept Aresco and company are either going to have to send the champ to play pure trash or pretty much shop the champ every year and get them in the best unfilled P5 bowl.

Could end up that way. Unless the Liberty falls our way or the Aresco Bowl lands a solid P5/MW champ.....then I do not forsee our champ being tied to any single bowl. Also, if we end up with a mostly trash bowls, I don't forsee these bowls receiving any set selection. It will operate as a pool with joint decisions (between the bowls and conference) being made on post season bowl destinations.

(06-11-2013 07:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 07:45 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  If only junk bowls can be signed they need to be games that can be traded/swapped easily. Anything below the Liberty and Military bowl needs to be flexible and easily traded when P5 spots inevitably go unfilled. Basically it looks like if the Liberty is not kept Aresco and company are either going to have to send the champ to play pure trash or pretty much shop the champ every year and get them in the best unfilled P5 bowl.

Could end up that way. Unless the Liberty falls our wayorthe Aresco Bowl lands a solid P5/MW champ.....then I do not forsee our champ being tied to any single bowl. Also, of we end up with a mostly trash bowls, I don't forsee these bowls receiving any set selection. It will operate as a pool with joint decisions (between the bowls and conference) being made on post season bowl destinations.

That's what should happen if only trash is signed, but just wait Aresco will sign iron clad agreements with 7 or 8 horrible bowl games and then brag about it like he accomplished something. He's done it with the TV deal, spinning an utter failure in terms of dollars and trying to argue it's great because of the exposure. He'll probably end up trying to spin that yeah all the opponents are the same level of suck, but we signed an unprecedented amount of sucky bowls.

I see the Sun Belt, CUSA and MAC in our future. What is going to be a back breaker for ECU's fan base is when we have a good season and end up playing APP State in a bowl game.

More or less of a backbreaker than losing to U La La?