(06-11-2013 04:11 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  No congressman or senator is going to risk the ire of their premiere university base by raising a question concerning our smaller schools.

We have some pretty powerful schools with alumni in state legislatures and on Capitol Hill. ECU's territory occupies 2 congressional districts whose economy would be significantly damaged by a split.

(06-11-2013 03:51 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  These USF fans are something else. For a team that never earned anything, or deserved anything, you sure are an entitled bunch.

Come on dude, don't go there... we don't need a pi$$ing match among AAC schools today. Don't hate us just becuase we were fortunate to play with the big boys for a few years. We're all in this together.

As everyone else has said, this is a crap situation for us. Has been for awhile now. Only "bright" spot (sarcasm) is that more people here are finally learning that Aresco's excellence or incompetence doesn't have a damn thing to do with what happens to us, concerning all the decent bowl games. At best, he only has the ability to get us slightly better minor bowls.

The bad guys are the P5 commissioners and the bowl officials. Not our own guys.

I just can't believe that the Liberty Bowl would totally shaft and hurt UM. From everything I've ever heard from Tigers fans on this board, there is some sort of good relationship between the Bowl and the school. If just becuase of circumstance, the Liberty is it for us... our last chance, and if they don't give us a tie in, it REALLY damages the AAC, and therefore UM.

Not over yet, I'd be very surprised if this happens.

(06-11-2013 04:32 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 03:51 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  These USF fans are something else. For a team that never earned anything, or deserved anything, you sure are an entitled bunch.

Come on dude, don't go there... we don't need a pi$$ing match among AAC schools today. Don't hate us just becuase we were fortunate to play with the big boys for a few years. We're all in this together.

I'm just responding to the cries and yelps of USF fans regarding being in this "loser conference"

(06-11-2013 04:37 PM)Bull Wrote:  I just can't believe that the Liberty Bowl would totally shaft and hurt UM. From everything I've ever heard from Tigers fans on this board, there is some sort of good relationship between the Bowl and the school. If just becuase of circumstance, the Liberty is it for us... our last chance, and if they don't give us a tie in, it REALLY damages the AAC, and therefore UM.

Not over yet, I'd be very surprised if this happens.

It's still up in the air, apparently. But the Liberty Bowl is a business, like every other bowl. Plus, I don't see any existing bowls in any other AAC cities stepping up for them. We'll see.

It's obvious the U of M and the Liberty Bowl have a good relationship. It will just come down to what they (LB) decide is more important to them, more money or community relations.

There's not a damn thing wrong with this league it's the greed if the power 5 leagues! Put a damn rule in place that says leagues can have no more than 7 bowls under contract NCAA!!!

(06-11-2013 04:46 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  There's not a damn thing wrong with this league it's the greed if the power 5 leagues! Put a damn rule in place that says leagues can have no more than 7 bowls under contract NCAA!!!

NCAA doesn't run college football. They are laughed at.

(06-11-2013 04:37 PM)Bull Wrote:  I just can't believe that the Liberty Bowl would totally shaft and hurt UM. From everything I've ever heard from Tigers fans on this board, there is some sort of good relationship between the Bowl and the school. If just becuase of circumstance, the Liberty is it for us... our last chance, and if they don't give us a tie in, it REALLY damages the AAC, and therefore UM.

Not over yet, I'd be very surprised if this happens.

I have been saying all along that the Liberty Bowl's priority would be P5 vs P5 and never believed Memphis fan boasts that the Lib would cater to Memphis, so if this report is true I will not be surprised at all.

The Liberty Bowl is not fundamentally different from other bowls. The Russell Bowl is in Orlando but does that mean they favor UCF over say SEC or ACC schools? Nope. The Meineke Car Care Bowl is in Houston but does that mean they favor Houston over the Big 12? Nope.

I never expected Memphis and the Liberty Bowl to be any different. Hope I'm wrong, but ...

(06-11-2013 12:42 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 12:36 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 12:33 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 12:25 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 12:17 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  That is the challenge. It hasn't been made any easier by trying to portray our conference as superior to theirs. I think that they can be made to understand that it is beneficial to them for their champ or runner up being able to play the highest quality opponent available, which will almost undoubtedly be the champ or runner up from the AAC.

Bottom line, AAC and MWC need to work with each other to try to keep the profile of at least these two leagues above the other G5 leagues. We need a scheduling alliance in football and a challenge in hoops. Build a rivalry that will be noticed and discussed nationally.

The problem is the geography of the 2 leagues doesn't work to play a bowl game that will be well attended. Texas is the only place you can put it that's relatively close to both leagues, and even then likely the eastern teams in this league won't travel to that game. Other than Boise there's not a team I'm going to get super jacked up to see ECU play. Sure I'd rather play teams like Fresno, Nevada, Air Force, and Hawaii in principle, but the reality is it wouldn't be in a location convenient for ECU fans to get to and will be against teams that we have zero history or real reason or desire to play. This isn't meant to sound arrogant, because I'm pretty sure you could reverse this and a team like Nevada or Fresno wouldn't really give a damn about traveling to Texas to play ECU.

It's not a perfect solution but it's better than literally having nowhere to send our champ even remotely worth going to. It may already be too late and the best we can do is play the CUSA or MAC champ though, and just hope that a better spot invites our champ if we don't make the access bowl.

It sucks, but we can't force the P5 to give us a tie in. I'm pretty sure that our champ is going to get screwed, unless they make the access bowl or we have a deal with the only other decent conference in the G5. I honestly think those are the only options available right now.

And if that happens Aresco should be fired. The bar is what the MWC and C-USA have lined up for their champs. C-USA has the HOD against the B12 and the MWC has the Las Vegas against the PAC. That's the bar Aresco has to reach and failing to do that would be a complete embarrassment on his part. The fact this league is even having to worry that our champ could have a worse bowl than the C-USA champ is pretty much a failure on Aresco's part.

I completely disagree that Aresco has any real power on the bowl situation. MWC and CUSA had pre-existing relationships with those conferences and there is no guarantee that those will be maintained long-term. The AAC was previously a BCS league and didn't have to worry about this. Our previous bowl partners have made clear that they are pursuing other options. I'm sure Aresco is begging as hard as he can but I'm just not sure what anyone expects that he can do to convince people to play us who have no interest in playing us.

How many failures must we endure before we hold Aresco responsible for something?

(06-11-2013 04:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I have been saying all along that the Liberty Bowl's priority would be P5 vs P5 and never believed Memphis fan boasts that the Lib would cater to Memphis, so if this report is true I will not be surprised at all.

Between Cincinnati, Memphis, and ECU the Liberty Bowl will get an excellent turnout from the AAC. I will be extremely upset if we get shafted...

(06-11-2013 04:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 12:42 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 12:36 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 12:33 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 12:25 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  The problem is the geography of the 2 leagues doesn't work to play a bowl game that will be well attended. Texas is the only place you can put it that's relatively close to both leagues, and even then likely the eastern teams in this league won't travel to that game. Other than Boise there's not a team I'm going to get super jacked up to see ECU play. Sure I'd rather play teams like Fresno, Nevada, Air Force, and Hawaii in principle, but the reality is it wouldn't be in a location convenient for ECU fans to get to and will be against teams that we have zero history or real reason or desire to play. This isn't meant to sound arrogant, because I'm pretty sure you could reverse this and a team like Nevada or Fresno wouldn't really give a damn about traveling to Texas to play ECU.

It's not a perfect solution but it's better than literally having nowhere to send our champ even remotely worth going to. It may already be too late and the best we can do is play the CUSA or MAC champ though, and just hope that a better spot invites our champ if we don't make the access bowl.

It sucks, but we can't force the P5 to give us a tie in. I'm pretty sure that our champ is going to get screwed, unless they make the access bowl or we have a deal with the only other decent conference in the G5. I honestly think those are the only options available right now.

And if that happens Aresco should be fired. The bar is what the MWC and C-USA have lined up for their champs. C-USA has the HOD against the B12 and the MWC has the Las Vegas against the PAC. That's the bar Aresco has to reach and failing to do that would be a complete embarrassment on his part. The fact this league is even having to worry that our champ could have a worse bowl than the C-USA champ is pretty much a failure on Aresco's part.

I completely disagree that Aresco has any real power on the bowl situation. MWC and CUSA had pre-existing relationships with those conferences and there is no guarantee that those will be maintained long-term. The AAC was previously a BCS league and didn't have to worry about this. Our previous bowl partners have made clear that they are pursuing other options. I'm sure Aresco is begging as hard as he can but I'm just not sure what anyone expects that he can do to convince people to play us who have no interest in playing us.

How many failures must we endure before we hold Aresco responsible for something?

We?

faux rage from quo....funny stuff.

(06-11-2013 10:13 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...es-sources

If McMurphy is to be believed:

1) AAC getting froze out of bowls against "P5".
2) Aresco bowl can't get a "P5" opponent.
3) Any new bowls we create will be against "G5".
4) Liberty may not be a viable option. Looking at "P5 vs P5"
5) According to McMurphy, we are a "smaller conference". Whatever "smaller conference" is.
6) UCF bowl being considered, but will be against Sun Belt, MAC, or CUSA.
7) LA bowl might pitt AAC against MWC.
8) The independence and Military bowls (thought to be a lock for AAC) might be out also.

Bad to worse...yes this deserved it's own thread.

(06-11-2013 12:41 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...es-sources

The Rose, Sugar and Orange bowls -- which also will be part of College Football Playoff's semifinal rotation -- have already announced that when they are not hosting a semifinal, they will pair Power Five conferences against each other starting in 2014. The Alamo Bowl (Big 12 vs. Pac 12) also officially announced its future conference affiliation.

Other bowls expected to host exclusively Power Five conferences starting in 2014 include: Belk (ACC vs. SEC), Buffalo Wild Wings (Big 12 vs. Pac 12), Capital One (Big Ten or ACC vs. SEC), Gator (ACC or Big Ten vs. SEC), Holiday (Big Ten vs. Pac-12), Kraft Fight Hunger (Big Ten vs. Pac 12), Meineke Car Care of Texas (Big 12 vs. SEC), Music City (ACC or Big Ten vs. SEC), Pinstripe (ACC vs. Big Ten), Outback (Big Ten vs. SEC), Russell Athletic (ACC vs. Big 12), Sun (ACC vs. Pac-12) and a yet to be named bowl in Detroit (ACC vs. Big Ten).

The Liberty, AdvoCare V100 and Military bowls also could match Power Five conference teams, sources said.

BY my count, the ACC has:
OB - .6667 games (SEC/B1G)
Belk - 1 game (SEC)
Music City - .5 games (SEC)
Gator - .5 games (SEC)
Cap One - .3333 games (SEC)
Pinstripe - 1 game (B1G)
Detroit - 1 game (B1G)
Russell - 1 game (Big XII)
Sun - 1 game (Pac-12)
At large/playoff - ???? games

By my count that's 7 guaranteed bowl games for 15 teams (14 ACC teams + ND). I would imagine that the ACC would add 2 more bowls, and I wouldn't be surprised if those games were against AAC opponents. I can see a game against lower level ACC in the mid-Atlantic and in Florida. Houston, USF, SMU, and UCF would travel well to Florida and Temple, UConn, and ECU would travel well to the mid-Atlantic, and there are a number of ACC teams that would travel well to Florida, and virtually every ACC team would travel well to the mid-Atlantic. Assuming that the games are against upper level AAC teams, I can see them having decent payouts (in excess of $1,000,000).

I can also see the ACC making a push for lower level P5 games in Houston and New Orleans. Games in Houston, NO, Fla, and the mid-Atlantic against lower P5 teams, a game against the MWC, and a game against the MAC isn't the best bowl lineup ever, but it wouldn't be too bad either.

(06-11-2013 03:15 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I will continue to support USF athletics 100% and attend as many games as possible wether they are in AAC or ACC. You are right it's our choice. And I choose to support my school thru thick and thin. I was there when all we had was a struggling Sun Belt program and I will be there till I die.

+100

(06-11-2013 04:37 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 04:32 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 03:51 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  These USF fans are something else. For a team that never earned anything, or deserved anything, you sure are an entitled bunch.

Come on dude, don't go there... we don't need a pi$$ing match among AAC schools today. Don't hate us just becuase we were fortunate to play with the big boys for a few years. We're all in this together.

I'm just responding to the cries and yelps of USF fans regarding being in this "loser conference"

Don't lump us all in the same boat just because a few are acting that way. There are a few Pirate fans that are also of the doom and gloom variety.

(06-11-2013 04:55 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 04:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I have been saying all along that the Liberty Bowl's priority would be P5 vs P5 and never believed Memphis fan boasts that the Lib would cater to Memphis, so if this report is true I will not be surprised at all.

Between Cincinnati, Memphis, and ECU the Liberty Bowl will get an excellent turnout from the AAC. I will be extremely upset if we get shafted...

Problem is, they can get good attendance from the SEC as well, and the SEC is a more prestigious and media-desirable tie to have.

Seriously, if you were the Chairman of the Liberty Bowl, getting paid to do what is best for the bowl, and it came down to making a tie with the AAC or the SEC, can you honestly say you'd choose the AAC?

Quo, ONE MEMPHIS FAN has been saying we will definitely get the Liberty Bowl. Stop acting like it's the whole damn fan base.

(06-11-2013 04:57 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  We?

faux rage from quo....funny stuff.

Hey, nobody wishes any more than me that "we", namely USF, were not stuck in the AAC. But that's where we are so I do care about what happens to the AAC. And I'm still waiting for Aresco to make something good happen.

(06-11-2013 05:15 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Quo, ONE MEMPHIS FAN has been saying we will definitely get the Liberty Bowl. Stop acting like it's the whole damn fan base.

TripleA, I am thinking about the whole past year and longer, not just the last few weeks or whatever. No, I don't have time to scour and search for old posts, but i distinctly remember that when Memphis was invited to join the Big East, their fans who flooded this board - not every single one, but more than just one - made boasts about "delivering the Liberty Bowl".

Heck, there was even some talk about FedEx putting up $10 million or so to make the Liberty a quasi-BCS level bowl that we would play in. Sorry, but i am not making this up.

Military Bowl, LA Christmas Bowl, St Pete bowl, Aresco/Miami Bowl, Birmingham Bowl Armed Forces Bowl, New Orleans Bowl. That's my guess. If we're lucky ACC on the other side of the Military bowl the SEC on the other side of Bham the Pac 12 turns down the LA Bowl because they play the MWC in enough bowls already and that's gives us the LA Bowl vs the MWC. Then the PAC 12 takes the spot in the Aresco Bowl. That would be one vs the ACC one vs the Pac 12 one vs the SEC and one vs the MWC.