(05-18-2013 12:02 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  If you want delusional do a google search for ACC MSG. Only espn is reporting this. What's that tell you?

Didn't use google but there are plenty of newspapers reporting this on Yahoo.

http://triblive.com/sports/college/pitt/...z2Tg8FkPMN

http://www.wctv.tv/sports/headlines/ACC-...64961.html

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report-acc-...iGzIjQtDMD

http://www.ksat.com/sports/report-madiso...index.html

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_spor...e%20Sports

So it is being widely reported.

(05-17-2013 10:13 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:04 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 11:38 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Maybe the new members should give the ACC tournament a chance as members before declaring that it can only be special in MSG.

But Greensboro and the ACC Tournament isn't special currently. It is not shiny or flashy like it once was.

This is a great point. I agree. Im not trashing the current Acc Tourney setup. But Marge has described the general view of the Acc Tourney from a national standpoint.

I think once you (the new schools fans) get to the ACCT in Greensboro for the next two years you might find you really like it.

The problem with the tournament in recent years has a lot to do with some of the schools not using all of their allotment of tickets. Couple that with some of those with tickets not coming to games that don't involve their school or leaving when their school loses and you get empty seats. There really needs to be a better way to distribute tickets. Hopefully that is something the conference is working on.

(05-18-2013 06:52 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:13 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:04 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 11:38 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Maybe the new members should give the ACC tournament a chance as members before declaring that it can only be special in MSG.

But Greensboro and the ACC Tournament isn't special currently. It is not shiny or flashy like it once was.

This is a great point. I agree. Im not trashing the current Acc Tourney setup. But Marge has described the general view of the Acc Tourney from a national standpoint.

I think once you (the new schools fans) get to the ACCT in Greensboro for the next two years you might find you really like it.

The problem with the tournament in recent years has a lot to do with some of the schools not using all of their allotment of tickets. Couple that with some of those with tickets not coming to games that don't involve their school or leaving when their school loses and you get empty seats. There really needs to be a better way to distribute tickets. Hopefully that is something the conference is working on.

With electronic ticket distribution improving I think it'll become much easier to fill the purchased seats when they aren't wanted.

(05-18-2013 06:52 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:13 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:04 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 11:38 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Maybe the new members should give the ACC tournament a chance as members before declaring that it can only be special in MSG.

But Greensboro and the ACC Tournament isn't special currently. It is not shiny or flashy like it once was.

This is a great point. I agree. Im not trashing the current Acc Tourney setup. But Marge has described the general view of the Acc Tourney from a national standpoint.

I think once you (the new schools fans) get to the ACCT in Greensboro for the next two years you might find you really like it.

The problem with the tournament in recent years has a lot to do with some of the schools not using all of their allotment of tickets. Couple that with some of those with tickets not coming to games that don't involve their school or leaving when their school loses and you get empty seats. There really needs to be a better way to distribute tickets. Hopefully that is something the conference is working on.

I think this is part of the misunderstanding. Greensboro will be fun, especially with the added mix and a few current teams improving. A good time will be had by all. That was never in issue. However, the idea that Greensboro is just as fun as NYC and just as electric (media wise) is stretching things a bit. The idea that the ACC tourney cannot be played in MSG or that the southern fans will not enjoy it is crazy. Miami and VATech fans enjoyed when they were a part of it.

Several schools already realize that the frenzy surrounding the BE tourney was from the hype of NYC. The ACC is now in a position to enjoy that frenzy.

For the record, check the former threads. I was and remain a proponent for splitting the tourney into three cities annually. Two will host the first rounds while the third would host the semis and championship games, all in rotation. I recommended NYC, DC and Greensboro, if I recall.

(05-18-2013 07:58 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 06:52 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:13 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:04 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 11:38 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Maybe the new members should give the ACC tournament a chance as members before declaring that it can only be special in MSG.

But Greensboro and the ACC Tournament isn't special currently. It is not shiny or flashy like it once was.

This is a great point. I agree. Im not trashing the current Acc Tourney setup. But Marge has described the general view of the Acc Tourney from a national standpoint.

I think once you (the new schools fans) get to the ACCT in Greensboro for the next two years you might find you really like it.

The problem with the tournament in recent years has a lot to do with some of the schools not using all of their allotment of tickets. Couple that with some of those with tickets not coming to games that don't involve their school or leaving when their school loses and you get empty seats. There really needs to be a better way to distribute tickets. Hopefully that is something the conference is working on.

I think this is part of the misunderstanding. Greensboro will be fun, especially with the added mix and a few current teams improving. A good time will be had by all. That was never in issue. However, the idea that Greensboro is just as fun as NYC and just as electric (media wise) is stretching things a bit. The idea that the ACC tourney cannot be played in MSG or that the southern fans will not enjoy it is crazy. Miami and VATech fans enjoyed when they were a part of it.

Several schools already realize that the frenzy surrounding the BE tourney was from the hype of NYC. The ACC is now in a position to enjoy that frenzy.

For the record, check the former threads. I was and remain a proponent for splitting the tourney into three cities annually. Two will host the first rounds while the third would host the semis and championship games, all in rotation. I recommended NYC, DC and Greensboro, if I recall.

VT was in the tournament one year. You forget the Big East was too good for VT until we made the nat'l championship in football.

(05-18-2013 07:58 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 06:52 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:13 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:04 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 11:38 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Maybe the new members should give the ACC tournament a chance as members before declaring that it can only be special in MSG.

But Greensboro and the ACC Tournament isn't special currently. It is not shiny or flashy like it once was.

This is a great point. I agree. Im not trashing the current Acc Tourney setup. But Marge has described the general view of the Acc Tourney from a national standpoint.

I think once you (the new schools fans) get to the ACCT in Greensboro for the next two years you might find you really like it.

The problem with the tournament in recent years has a lot to do with some of the schools not using all of their allotment of tickets. Couple that with some of those with tickets not coming to games that don't involve their school or leaving when their school loses and you get empty seats. There really needs to be a better way to distribute tickets. Hopefully that is something the conference is working on.

I think this is part of the misunderstanding. Greensboro will be fun, especially with the added mix and a few current teams improving. A good time will be had by all. That was never in issue. However, the idea that Greensboro is just as fun as NYC and just as electric (media wise) is stretching things a bit. The idea that the ACC tourney cannot be played in MSG or that the southern fans will not enjoy it is crazy. Miami and VATech fans enjoyed when they were a part of it.

Several schools already realize that the frenzy surrounding the BE tourney was from the hype of NYC. The ACC is now in a position to enjoy that frenzy.

For the record, check the former threads. I was and remain a proponent for splitting the tourney into three cities annually. Two will host the first rounds while the third would host the semis and championship games, all in rotation. I recommended NYC, DC and Greensboro, if I recall.

Not you but some were very insulting in some of the earlier threads.

(05-18-2013 08:19 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 07:58 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 06:52 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:13 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:04 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  But Greensboro and the ACC Tournament isn't special currently. It is not shiny or flashy like it once was.

This is a great point. I agree. Im not trashing the current Acc Tourney setup. But Marge has described the general view of the Acc Tourney from a national standpoint.

I think once you (the new schools fans) get to the ACCT in Greensboro for the next two years you might find you really like it.

The problem with the tournament in recent years has a lot to do with some of the schools not using all of their allotment of tickets. Couple that with some of those with tickets not coming to games that don't involve their school or leaving when their school loses and you get empty seats. There really needs to be a better way to distribute tickets. Hopefully that is something the conference is working on.

I think this is part of the misunderstanding. Greensboro will be fun, especially with the added mix and a few current teams improving. A good time will be had by all. That was never in issue. However, the idea that Greensboro is just as fun as NYC and just as electric (media wise) is stretching things a bit. The idea that the ACC tourney cannot be played in MSG or that the southern fans will not enjoy it is crazy. Miami and VATech fans enjoyed when they were a part of it.

Several schools already realize that the frenzy surrounding the BE tourney was from the hype of NYC. The ACC is now in a position to enjoy that frenzy.

For the record, check the former threads. I was and remain a proponent for splitting the tourney into three cities annually. Two will host the first rounds while the third would host the semis and championship games, all in rotation. I recommended NYC, DC and Greensboro, if I recall.

VT was in the tournament one year. You forget the Big East was too good for VT until we made the nat'l championship in football.

Yes, I forgot that VATech was not a full member for their duration in the BE.

(05-18-2013 10:01 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  Yes, I forgot that VATech was not a full member for their duration in the BE.

I would question whether we were ever a full member. We certainly never got a full share.

VT was a "full member" for four years. Care to guess how many games Syracuse bball played at VT?

It will actually be funny to watch the BE fans justify their tourney attendance this year. Somehow losing UConn, Cuse, ND, Pitt, Rutgers, Cincy, and Louisville also losing out on Memphis and Temple is going to be offset by inviting Xavier, Butler and Creighton.

They have some good programs left but they are under some illusion they split with only the best programs/assets of the old Big East.

(05-19-2013 12:03 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:01 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  Yes, I forgot that VATech was not a full member for their duration in the BE.

I would question whether we were ever a full member. We certainly never got a full share.

VT was a "full member" for four years. Care to guess how many games Syracuse bball played at VT?

I honestly do not recall. One thing I hope the ACC does is to ensure that Home and Homes stay balanced in hoops. Even if you only play once per season, ensuring a balance between # of home games does a lot for the fans.

However, when Syracuse does visit VATech in the future, rest assured, Doug Gottlieb will manage to consider it a home court game for Syracuse.

(05-19-2013 12:11 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  It will actually be funny to watch the BE fans justify their tourney attendance this year. Somehow losing UConn, Cuse, ND, Pitt, Rutgers, Cincy, and Louisville also losing out on Memphis and Temple is going to be offset by inviting Xavier, Butler and Creighton.

They have some good programs left but they are under some illusion they split with only the best programs/assets of the old Big East.

They have loyal fan bases but I'm not sure how well their respective fan bases travel.

Add to this the fact that the Orange and UConn fan bases (as well as a few others no longer playing in the BE) would buy up the leftover tickets and the unused (fans whose teams lost and would sell off their tickets) tickets. Which fan bases will do that now?

I can see "sell outs" but I'm not convinced that the seats will be filled.

If the ACC moves to MSG, the first day attendance will be brutal. You'll get matchups like Clemson vs Va Tech. Nobody in the northeast wants to watch that.

(05-19-2013 07:29 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  If the ACC moves to MSG, the first day attendance will be brutal. You'll get matchups like Clemson vs Va Tech. Nobody in the northeast wants to watch that.

Live from MSG....its a team from Wisconsin vs. a team from Ohio. Then, a team from Illinois vs. a team from Nebraska.

No one cares about Creighton, Depaul, Marquette and Xavier in the city. None of those teams have large fanbases....and virtually none of them live in nyc. If they didnt show up to watch their teams play SU, UConn, ND, Pitt, WVU, then Im suppose to be convinced that they will show up in much LARGER numbers to play WORSE competition? Laughable.

(05-19-2013 07:37 AM)CuseKid Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 07:29 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  If the ACC moves to MSG, the first day attendance will be brutal. You'll get matchups like Clemson vs Va Tech. Nobody in the northeast wants to watch that.

Live from MSG....its a team from Wisconsin vs. a team from Ohio. Then, a team from Illinois vs. a team from Nebraska.

No one cares about Creighton, Depaul, Marquette and Xavier in the city. None of those teams have large fanbases....and virtually none of them live in nyc. If they didnt show up to watch their teams play SU, UConn, ND, Pitt, WVU, then Im suppose to be convinced that they will show up in much LARGER numbers to play WORSE competition? Laughable.

Actually Creighton and Marquette have really good fan bases for BB only schools. The question is how many will travel to NYC? Neither are drivable unless you are retired. I never heard Marquette traveled in any large numbers that exceeded allocation. Their ticket allocation should go up next year (fewer schools in new BE) and it will be interesting if anyone sells out their tickets.

(05-19-2013 08:19 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 07:37 AM)CuseKid Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 07:29 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  If the ACC moves to MSG, the first day attendance will be brutal. You'll get matchups like Clemson vs Va Tech. Nobody in the northeast wants to watch that.

Live from MSG....its a team from Wisconsin vs. a team from Ohio. Then, a team from Illinois vs. a team from Nebraska.

No one cares about Creighton, Depaul, Marquette and Xavier in the city. None of those teams have large fanbases....and virtually none of them live in nyc. If they didnt show up to watch their teams play SU, UConn, ND, Pitt, WVU, then Im suppose to be convinced that they will show up in much LARGER numbers to play WORSE competition? Laughable.

Actually Creighton and Marquette have really good fan bases for BB only schools. The question is how many will travel to NYC? Neither are drivable unless you are retired. I never heard Marquette traveled in any large numbers that exceeded allocation. Their ticket allocation should go up next year (fewer schools in new BE) and it will be interesting if anyone sells out their tickets.

Marquettes fanbase isnt big enough to make up for the distance they are located from msg. they rarely sell-out their own home games. and when they do, it has been against teams that are no longer in the conference.

and marq's attendance was never that great prior to joining the BE.

here is a list of their top 10 all-time attendance games - http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_b...nce_record

EVERY game is in their nnnBE era. half of those teams are gone. 2 are against UW. that leaves 3 against other catholics ( vs. GTown and 1 against depaul).
ANd look who's number 1...

(05-19-2013 07:18 AM)HtownOrange Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 12:03 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:01 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  Yes, I forgot that VATech was not a full member for their duration in the BE.

I would question whether we were ever a full member. We certainly never got a full share.

VT was a "full member" for four years. Care to guess how many games Syracuse bball played at VT?

I honestly do not recall. One thing I hope the ACC does is to ensure that Home and Homes stay balanced in hoops. Even if you only play once per season, ensuring a balance between # of home games does a lot for the fans.

However, when Syracuse does visit VATech in the future, rest assured, Doug Gottlieb will manage to consider it a home court game for Syracuse.

The answer is 0 times. Syracuse never played at VT in the four years we were in the Big East. VT fans don't have the fond feelings that Syracuse and some of the other new teams have for the old Big East.

(05-18-2013 10:20 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 09:13 AM)Ragu Wrote:  It's going to happen down the line. The new Big East is no match for the ACC in basketball and MSG/NY know that.

Okay, whatever you need to tell yourself to get to sleep at night. Big East tourny has been in MSG for 30 years and will be there for at least 13 more. If the ACC was so super duper then why didn't MSG drop the big east and sign the ACC when they had the chance to legally do it just a few months ago?

Thirty years with Syracuse, UConn, Pitt, and ND anchoring it with their fan support in the NYC area. Add in BC who use to send some fans from Boston and Louisville who replaced them with top notch BB (believe they won it all this year ) plus their great fans and that's quite an ACC nucleus around NYC. Now ND, Pitt, BC, Syracuse, L'Ville, are in the ACC along with UNC and Duke, and UConn is in the AAC for now. The ACC has replaced the BE on a national level from Boston to Miami while the BE will shrink to a regional level one step above the A-10. With the power packed ACC and all those ACC fans now surrounding NYC the Garden is their for the taking when they want it in their rotation with Greensboro. The BE can have it when the ACC plays in Greensboro though.

(05-19-2013 07:29 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  If the ACC moves to MSG, the first day attendance will be brutal. You'll get matchups like Clemson vs Va Tech. Nobody in the northeast wants to watch that.

Only you UNC fans are crying about this. It should be in Charlotte if it's going to be in North Carolina anyways.

Why is everyone invited to the ACC Tournament for basketball? They're only inviting 10 for baseball. A 4-day, 12-team tournament with the top 4 all receiving byes to day 2 makes the most sense.

But back to your "point". You think people are going to watch Clemson against Virginia Tech in Greensboro?

Everyone is invited for basketball because the schools use the tournmanent as a major tool for recruiting donations from alumni.

(05-19-2013 02:25 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 07:29 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  If the ACC moves to MSG, the first day attendance will be brutal. You'll get matchups like Clemson vs Va Tech. Nobody in the northeast wants to watch that.

Only you UNC fans are crying about this. It should be in Charlotte if it's going to be in North Carolina anyways.

Why is everyone invited to the ACC Tournament for basketball? They're only inviting 10 for baseball. A 4-day, 12-team tournament with the top 4 all receiving byes to day 2 makes the most sense.

But back to your "point". You think people are going to watch Clemson against Virginia Tech in Greensboro?

What did I cry about? Just stating a point. If you moved the BE tournament to G'Boro who would watch DePaul vs Seton Hall?

Ask Swofford why everyone is invited for basketball. I'm guessing it's financial reasons.

ACC is used to having less than stellar attendance to watch a Clemson VT game. However, the attendance in GBoro would still be better than MSG. I can't imagine northerners getting up for that.