(05-09-2013 08:44 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 08:24 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  For example, I graduated high school in '97 and there wasn't a single gay kid in my class. Go to the mall now and the number of homosexual kids is astounding.

(05-09-2013 08:24 AM)Paul M Wrote:  The more acceptable homosexuality is, the more gays there are. Going forward there will be more and more gays.

What's far more likely is that there have been, and always will be, the same % of gays in the general population. A couple decades ago, more gays in high school kept their orientation hidden and/or had "fake" heterosexual relationships out of fear of bullying, shame or family alienation. Some still do, but there's probably more of a comfort level of being "out" now.

Open homosexuality is hardly new. Go back to the ancient Greeks, Rennaisance Romans, etc, and some of the big names you've heard of lived homosexual or bisexual lives.

Simply put, I disagree... and as far as the Greeks and Romans go, many had relations while on years-long military campaigns with little or no access to women... much like you see in modern prison systems. While it was accepted in these parameters, they went home to their wives. They were not gay. When they were able to take villages they raped all the women and prostitution was rampant where available. Apples and oranges.

(05-09-2013 07:05 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(05-08-2013 08:42 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  When you say nature, what do you mean? Marriage, and it's purpose, has changed over the centuries. It used to be a way to add power - by marrying off a daughter (which she had no say in the matter) to add land, money, connections, etc.

Adding same sex marriage (two loving individuals) is less of a change to the nature of marriage than the change of marriage for love vs power.

Mind numbingly ludicrous.

But oft' repeated. You see when you demonize the institutions history it makes it easier to obliterate it... Hell there are feminist fighting for Gay Marriage today who used to call the institution slavery.. The far left on this issue is being purposefully dishonest..

(05-09-2013 07:42 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  All I know is that two adult, gay individuals getting married - whether it's by a religiously ordained leader or at a court house - doesn't negatively impact my life one iota.

But if you owned a business and did not want to cater to gay weddings then the issue very much *could* effect you.

Marriage equality just passed the Minnesota house and will likely be all wrapped up on Monday. That will make it 12.

Well done, Minnesota!

(05-09-2013 03:10 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  Marriage equality just passed the Minnesota house and will likely be all wrapped up on Monday. That will make it 12.

Well done, Minnesota!

Give rights to some and strip them away from others... On balance not a good thing. Wish sanity had prevailed and MN went with making all marriages civil unions..

Help me get this right - Delaware is on the list of worst places to retire and live because of high taxes, crime, cost of living, and unemployment but you fools are cheering them for letting homos run amuck?

Hmmm. We wonder why the economy isn't improving and why our dollars are worth less and less.

Idiots.

Quote:No. 10: Delaware

Delaware is home to excellent beaches, hiking trails and other natural beauties. It's also a shopper's haven since it doesn't levy sales taxes on consumers. Yet, despite relatively low state and local taxes and a temperate climate, The First State can be tougher on retirees than many other states. Its cost of living is higher than average, according to data from the Council for Community and Economic Research, and access to medical care is below average.

Delaware's crime rate also is among the highest in the nation, with 3,970 property and violent crimes per 100,000 people, according to the FBI's 2011 Uniform Crime Report.

Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-fina...z2SpTasjHd

(05-09-2013 07:05 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(05-08-2013 08:42 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  When you say nature, what do you mean? Marriage, and it's purpose, has changed over the centuries. It used to be a way to add power - by marrying off a daughter (which she had no say in the matter) to add land, money, connections, etc.

Adding same sex marriage (two loving individuals) is less of a change to the nature of marriage than the change of marriage for love vs power.

Mind numbingly ludicrous.

opposition to equality is.

Prove me wrong.

(05-09-2013 07:48 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(05-08-2013 08:42 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-08-2013 07:10 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 09:28 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 09:03 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So, you disagree with the positions she takes, do you? Well then, what positions do you take on those issues? And how do your positions differ from hers?

Gay marriage will do NOTHING to affect straight marriage, other than have a few closeted guys come out. Family units will continue.
Churches will be free to marry whomever they want. I don't know a single person that advocates anything different. There are plenty of churches that will marry gays now.

But that's not answering the question I asked. What are YOUR positions on these issues.
Do you believe that churches SHOULD be free to marry or not marry whomever they want?
Do you believe that the nature of marriage SHOULD change? If so, how?
I'm not asking what you believe WILL happen, I'm asking what you believe SHOULD happen.

Churches should be free to marry whomever they want.

When you say nature, what do you mean? Marriage, and it's purpose, has changed over the centuries. It used to be a way to add power - by marrying off a daughter (which she had no say in the matter) to add land, money, connections, etc.

Adding same sex marriage (two loving individuals) is less of a change to the nature of marriage than the change of marriage for love vs power.

Someone has been watching too much Game of Thrones.

Positive rep me or I'll sell you to gypsies.

Never have seen the show. I have read plenty of history books. Maybe you should try it.

(05-09-2013 03:27 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  Help me get this right - Delaware is on the list of worst places to retire and live because of high taxes, crime, cost of living, and unemployment but you fools are cheering them for letting homos run amuck?

Hmmm. We wonder why the economy isn't improving and why our dollars are worth less and less.

Idiots.

Quote:No. 10: Delaware

Delaware is home to excellent beaches, hiking trails and other natural beauties. It's also a shopper's haven since it doesn't levy sales taxes on consumers. Yet, despite relatively low state and local taxes and a temperate climate, The First State can be tougher on retirees than many other states. Its cost of living is higher than average, according to data from the Council for Community and Economic Research, and access to medical care is below average.

Delaware's crime rate also is among the highest in the nation, with 3,970 property and violent crimes per 100,000 people, according to the FBI's 2011 Uniform Crime Report.

Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-fina...z2SpTasjHd

Your own source is fighting you.

(05-09-2013 08:30 AM)Paul M Wrote:  The more acceptable homosexuality is, the more gays there are. Going forward there will be more and more gays. And the "you're born that way", even in the face of the truth of the lie will continue to be the mantra.

There will be more openly gay people, yes. Sexual Orientation is NOT a choice, no matter how much you wish to pretend otherwise.

I know it is hard to accept that you beliefs have led to you discrimination, bigotry and hatred of others that are different than you, but GROW UP and accept that we are as equal as you.

(05-09-2013 03:38 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 08:30 AM)Paul M Wrote:  The more acceptable homosexuality is, the more gays there are. Going forward there will be more and more gays. And the "you're born that way", even in the face of the truth of the lie will continue to be the mantra.

There will be more openly gay people, yes. Sexual Orientation is NOT a choice, no matter how much you wish to pretend otherwise.

I know it is hard to accept that you beliefs have led to you discrimination, bigotry and hatred of others that are different than you, but GROW UP and accept that we are as equal as you.

Clearly Paul is heterosexual because he doesn't think homosexuality is acceptable. Otherwise, by his logic, there'd be a decent chance that he'd be gayer than sprinkles.

(05-09-2013 03:42 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 03:38 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 08:30 AM)Paul M Wrote:  The more acceptable homosexuality is, the more gays there are. Going forward there will be more and more gays. And the "you're born that way", even in the face of the truth of the lie will continue to be the mantra.

There will be more openly gay people, yes. Sexual Orientation is NOT a choice, no matter how much you wish to pretend otherwise.

I know it is hard to accept that you beliefs have led to you discrimination, bigotry and hatred of others that are different than you, but GROW UP and accept that we are as equal as you.

Clearly Paul is heterosexual because he doesn't think homosexuality is acceptable. Otherwise, by his logic, there'd be a decent chance that he'd be gayer than sprinkles.

Huh?

(05-09-2013 03:42 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 03:38 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 08:30 AM)Paul M Wrote:  The more acceptable homosexuality is, the more gays there are. Going forward there will be more and more gays. And the "you're born that way", even in the face of the truth of the lie will continue to be the mantra.

There will be more openly gay people, yes. Sexual Orientation is NOT a choice, no matter how much you wish to pretend otherwise.

I know it is hard to accept that you beliefs have led to you discrimination, bigotry and hatred of others that are different than you, but GROW UP and accept that we are as equal as you.

Clearly Paul is heterosexual because he doesn't think homosexuality is acceptable. Otherwise, by his logic, there'd be a decent chance that he'd be gayer than sprinkles.

Right because every man in the city state of Sparta was born Gay or bi-sexual... There was *no* societal component to the nearly all encompassing bisexuality practiced by Spartan men..

(05-09-2013 03:20 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 03:10 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  Marriage equality just passed the Minnesota house and will likely be all wrapped up on Monday. That will make it 12.

Well done, Minnesota!

Give rights to some and strip them away from others... On balance not a good thing. Wish sanity had prevailed and MN went with making all marriages civil unions..

Who is losing rights?

(05-09-2013 03:53 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 03:42 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 03:38 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 08:30 AM)Paul M Wrote:  The more acceptable homosexuality is, the more gays there are. Going forward there will be more and more gays. And the "you're born that way", even in the face of the truth of the lie will continue to be the mantra.

There will be more openly gay people, yes. Sexual Orientation is NOT a choice, no matter how much you wish to pretend otherwise.

I know it is hard to accept that you beliefs have led to you discrimination, bigotry and hatred of others that are different than you, but GROW UP and accept that we are as equal as you.

Clearly Paul is heterosexual because he doesn't think homosexuality is acceptable. Otherwise, by his logic, there'd be a decent chance that he'd be gayer than sprinkles.

Right because every man in the city state of Sparta was born Gay or bi-sexual... There was *no* societal component to the nearly all encompassing bisexuality practiced by Spartan men..

It's Paul's theory: More acceptance means a higher likelihood that any given individual will be gay. So that each time a state approves marriage equality, the chances of any given person turning gay rises. Watch out, gents, we may be approaching the tipping point.

(05-09-2013 03:53 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 03:20 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 03:10 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  Marriage equality just passed the Minnesota house and will likely be all wrapped up on Monday. That will make it 12.

Well done, Minnesota!

Give rights to some and strip them away from others... On balance not a good thing. Wish sanity had prevailed and MN went with making all marriages civil unions..

Who is losing rights?

Bull is worried that he'll lose his right to be a bigot.

(05-09-2013 03:58 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 03:53 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 03:42 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 03:38 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 08:30 AM)Paul M Wrote:  The more acceptable homosexuality is, the more gays there are. Going forward there will be more and more gays. And the "you're born that way", even in the face of the truth of the lie will continue to be the mantra.

There will be more openly gay people, yes. Sexual Orientation is NOT a choice, no matter how much you wish to pretend otherwise.

I know it is hard to accept that you beliefs have led to you discrimination, bigotry and hatred of others that are different than you, but GROW UP and accept that we are as equal as you.

Clearly Paul is heterosexual because he doesn't think homosexuality is acceptable. Otherwise, by his logic, there'd be a decent chance that he'd be gayer than sprinkles.

Right because every man in the city state of Sparta was born Gay or bi-sexual... There was *no* societal component to the nearly all encompassing bisexuality practiced by Spartan men..

It's Paul's theory: More acceptance means a higher likelihood that any given individual will be gay. So that each time a state approves marriage equality, the chances of any given person turning gay rises. Watch out, gents, we may be approaching the tipping point.

We are talking about a behavior here. The more it is accepted the more of it there will be. Kind of like smoking... when you could smoke anywhere and nobody judged you for it, far more people did it and nobody is born a smoker. As far as the gay stuff goes, I went to college 15 years ago and it had already reached the tipping point with the girls in Philly. I would venture to guess close to 50% of them were fooling around with other women, yet were heterosexual "orientation". Sex is a behavior and male to male gay sex is a disgusting, destructive, and biologically and psychologically risky behavior.

(05-09-2013 04:09 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 03:58 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 03:53 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 03:42 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 03:38 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  There will be more openly gay people, yes. Sexual Orientation is NOT a choice, no matter how much you wish to pretend otherwise.

I know it is hard to accept that you beliefs have led to you discrimination, bigotry and hatred of others that are different than you, but GROW UP and accept that we are as equal as you.

Clearly Paul is heterosexual because he doesn't think homosexuality is acceptable. Otherwise, by his logic, there'd be a decent chance that he'd be gayer than sprinkles.

Right because every man in the city state of Sparta was born Gay or bi-sexual... There was *no* societal component to the nearly all encompassing bisexuality practiced by Spartan men..

It's Paul's theory: More acceptance means a higher likelihood that any given individual will be gay. So that each time a state approves marriage equality, the chances of any given person turning gay rises. Watch out, gents, we may be approaching the tipping point.

We are talking about a behavior here. The more it is accepted the more of it there will be. Kind of like smoking... when you could smoke anywhere and nobody judged you for it, far more people did it and nobody is born a smoker. As far as the gay stuff goes, I went to college 15 years ago and it had already reached the tipping point with the girls in Philly. I would venture to guess close to 50% of them were fooling around with other women, yet were heterosexual "orientation". Sex is a behavior and male to male gay sex is a disgusting, destructive, and biologically and psychologically risky behavior.

Right. The more acceptance there is for gays, the higher the chances are that you'll start being gay.

(05-09-2013 03:36 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 03:27 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  Help me get this right - Delaware is on the list of worst places to retire and live because of high taxes, crime, cost of living, and unemployment but you fools are cheering them for letting homos run amuck?

Hmmm. We wonder why the economy isn't improving and why our dollars are worth less and less.

Idiots.

Quote:No. 10: Delaware

Delaware is home to excellent beaches, hiking trails and other natural beauties. It's also a shopper's haven since it doesn't levy sales taxes on consumers. Yet, despite relatively low state and local taxes and a temperate climate, The First State can be tougher on retirees than many other states. Its cost of living is higher than average, according to data from the Council for Community and Economic Research, and access to medical care is below average.

Delaware's crime rate also is among the highest in the nation, with 3,970 property and violent crimes per 100,000 people, according to the FBI's 2011 Uniform Crime Report.

Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-fina...z2SpTasjHd

Your own source is fighting you.

Option 1 - take out the "high taxes" clause and the argument is still valid

Option 2 - Consider "high cost of living" and figure out for yourself that not all taxes come directly out of your paycheck. Argument also still valid.

Answer the question.

(05-09-2013 03:58 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  It's Paul's theory: More acceptance means a higher likelihood that any given individual will be gay. So that each time a state approves marriage equality, the chances of any given person turning gay rises. Watch out, gents, we may be approaching the tipping point.

The indignation of the idea that societies views can shape an individuals sexuality *in the face of incontrovertible historical evidence* is the basis for the chortling that you and DB are throwing back and forth.

Either Sexuality is to some degree shaped by society *or* all spartan men were born bisexual.