(05-07-2013 08:59 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 07:12 PM)maximus Wrote:  Gay activist, Masha Gessen, admits “we lie that the institution of marriage is not going to change” and further says she doesn’t believe it should exist at all.
It’s a no-brainer that (homosexual activists) should have the right to marry, but I also think equally that it’s a no-brainer that the institution of marriage should not exist. …(F)ighting for gay marriage generally involves lying about what we are going to do with marriage when we get there — because we lie that the institution of marriage is not going to change, and that is a lie.
The institution of marriage is going to change, and it should change. And again, I don’t think it should exist. And I don’t like taking part in creating fictions about my life. That’s sort of not what I had in mind when I came out thirty years ago.
I have three kids who have five parents, more or less, and I don’t see why they shouldn’t have five parents legally… I met my new partner, and she had just had a baby, and that baby’s biological father is my brother, and my daughter’s biological father is a man who lives in Russia, and my adopted son also considers him his father. So the five parents break down into two groups of three… And really, I would like to live in a legal system that is capable of reflecting that reality, and I don’t think that’s compitatible with the institution of marriage.”
I suggest listening to he whole thing, it really is quite revealing. If you dont want to listen to the entire thing and just want to hear the above, skip to about the 6 minute mark.
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/prog...ed/4058506

Never heard of her, and she certainly doesn't speak for me or the majority of Americans.
Hey - I can find a Fred Phelps video, and call him a Christian Activist, and then assume he speaks for you.

So, you disagree with the positions she takes, do you? Well then, what positions do you take on those issues? And how do your positions differ from hers?

(05-07-2013 05:47 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Didn't say Delaware did, just every state that has put it to a vote.

And if the minority can't read a freaking dictionary...

Wrong again...Maryland and Washington voters passed marriage equality.

(05-07-2013 07:14 PM)maximus Wrote:  I'm sure the Obama supported anti-bully homo Dan Savage is taking a break from wishing cancer on people and cursing out teenagers to applaud.

So you take 2 people on both sides of the issue and act like they speak for everyone...typical.

(05-07-2013 09:03 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 08:59 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 07:12 PM)maximus Wrote:  Gay activist, Masha Gessen, admits “we lie that the institution of marriage is not going to change” and further says she doesn’t believe it should exist at all.
It’s a no-brainer that (homosexual activists) should have the right to marry, but I also think equally that it’s a no-brainer that the institution of marriage should not exist. …(F)ighting for gay marriage generally involves lying about what we are going to do with marriage when we get there — because we lie that the institution of marriage is not going to change, and that is a lie.
The institution of marriage is going to change, and it should change. And again, I don’t think it should exist. And I don’t like taking part in creating fictions about my life. That’s sort of not what I had in mind when I came out thirty years ago.
I have three kids who have five parents, more or less, and I don’t see why they shouldn’t have five parents legally… I met my new partner, and she had just had a baby, and that baby’s biological father is my brother, and my daughter’s biological father is a man who lives in Russia, and my adopted son also considers him his father. So the five parents break down into two groups of three… And really, I would like to live in a legal system that is capable of reflecting that reality, and I don’t think that’s compitatible with the institution of marriage.”
I suggest listening to he whole thing, it really is quite revealing. If you dont want to listen to the entire thing and just want to hear the above, skip to about the 6 minute mark.
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/prog...ed/4058506

Never heard of her, and she certainly doesn't speak for me or the majority of Americans.
Hey - I can find a Fred Phelps video, and call him a Christian Activist, and then assume he speaks for you.

So, you disagree with the positions she takes, do you? Well then, what positions do you take on those issues? And how do your positions differ from hers?

Gay marriage will do NOTHING to affect straight marriage, other than have a few closeted guys come out. Family units will continue.

Churches will be free to marry whomever they want. I don't know a single person that advocates anything different. There are plenty of churches that will marry gays now.

(05-07-2013 08:49 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Not a marriage without a bride and a groom.

The government does not agree.

(05-07-2013 09:25 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 05:47 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Didn't say Delaware did, just every state that has put it to a vote.

And if the minority can't read a freaking dictionary...

Wrong again...Maryland and Washington voters passed marriage equality.

I already acknowledged I was mistaken. *******.

(05-07-2013 09:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 08:49 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Not a marriage without a bride and a groom.

The government does not agree.

So. *******.

(05-07-2013 09:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 08:49 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Not a marriage without a bride and a groom.

The government does not agree.

God doesn't care what the government says

A same sex "marriage" is inferior to a male-female marriage.

That's the way it is. Sorry if it makes you cry.

(05-07-2013 09:31 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 09:25 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 05:47 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Didn't say Delaware did, just every state that has put it to a vote.

And if the minority can't read a freaking dictionary...

Wrong again...Maryland and Washington voters passed marriage equality.

I already acknowledged I was mistaken. *******.

I just thoroughly enjoy pointing it out...

Instead of getting into an unholy vs. holy war, how about us Christians try to secure our own salvation? Does other people's gay marriage effect it?

Make sure you have your own up to snuff and stop worrying about everyone else. That's what individualists do.

(05-07-2013 09:42 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  A same sex "marriage" is inferior to a male-female marriage.

That's the way it is. Sorry if it makes you cry.

You're 100% accurate...DOMA grants over 1000 benefits to straight married couples and denies those same benefits to gay married couples...but don't you worry! The Supreme Court is on the case!

(05-07-2013 09:46 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Instead of getting into an unholy vs. holy war, how about us Christians try to secure our own salvation? Does other people's gay marriage effect it?

Make sure you have your own up to snuff and stop worrying about everyone else. That's what individualists do.

Exactly.

(05-07-2013 09:42 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  A same sex "marriage" is inferior to a male-female marriage.

That's the way it is. Sorry if it makes you cry.

You can feel that way, but what good is it to just go around saying it?

(05-07-2013 09:33 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 09:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 08:49 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Not a marriage without a bride and a groom.

The government does not agree.

God doesn't care what the government says

There is no Christian god...so why should the government worry about it?

(05-07-2013 09:50 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 09:33 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 09:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 08:49 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Not a marriage without a bride and a groom.

The government does not agree.

God doesn't care what the government says

There is no Christian god...so why should the government worry about it?

Takin the high road I see.

(05-07-2013 09:33 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 09:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 08:49 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Not a marriage without a bride and a groom.

The government does not agree.

God doesn't care what the government says

Why would that have any impact on public policy? Luckily the US is not a theocracy.

(05-07-2013 09:44 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 09:31 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 09:25 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 05:47 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Didn't say Delaware did, just every state that has put it to a vote.

And if the minority can't read a freaking dictionary...

Wrong again...Maryland and Washington voters passed marriage equality.

I already acknowledged I was mistaken. *******.

I just thoroughly enjoy pointing it out...

Not cool. He acknowledged his mistake.

(05-07-2013 09:54 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 09:44 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 09:31 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 09:25 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 05:47 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Didn't say Delaware did, just every state that has put it to a vote.

And if the minority can't read a freaking dictionary...

Wrong again...Maryland and Washington voters passed marriage equality.

I already acknowledged I was mistaken. *******.

I just thoroughly enjoy pointing it out...

Not cool. He acknowledged his mistake.

Not worried about being "cool"...I stay true to myself.

(05-07-2013 09:57 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 09:54 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 09:44 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 09:31 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 09:25 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Wrong again...Maryland and Washington voters passed marriage equality.

I already acknowledged I was mistaken. *******.

I just thoroughly enjoy pointing it out...

Not cool. He acknowledged his mistake.

Not worried about being "cool"...I stay true to myself.

If that self is being a bag of dicks. There are lots of obstinate posters here, no need to kick a guy when he's down.