Burks had a great season. However, some on here still refuse to give Pastner or any of his players credit for, well, ANYTHING. Joe Jackson had a great season this year as well. People have the attitude "Uhhh, uhhh, well, Burks was better because everything Calipari did from day one is better than anything Pastner did."

No, Saluki, I am NOT being overly dramatic. People, even in this thread, act like the season (a 31-5 season) was a failure. That's beyond dumb and shows the sense on entitlement which, in the strength training thread for example, datbeme just flat out admitted to.

Anyone who bases the success of Josh's first four seasons on Cal's last four is somewhere between "unrealistic" and "complete and total moron".

(04-03-2013 11:18 AM)transitt Wrote:  No, Saluki, I am NOT being overly dramatic. People, even in this thread, act like the season (a 31-5 season) was a failure.

Yes you are.

Please, provide ANY quote, link, whatever where ANYONE has described (as you claim) this season as a "FAILURE."

(04-03-2013 10:53 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 11:26 PM)hollywoodtigerhound Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 10:39 PM)tigergg Wrote:  Burks was better than JJ is!!

Careful some here will want to fight you for making that statement, and I mean fight you "GOOOODDD."

There shouldn't be any fighting. JJ had a great season, but Burks had possibly the greatest season of any Memphis point guard in the last 25 years. You can make a reasonable argument that he had a better senior season than Rose's season.

Burks
16.0 points
5.5 assists
47.4% field goal
41.3% 3 point
2.4 steals
2.5 turnovers
2.2/1 assist/turnover

Rose
14.9 points
4.7 assists
47.7% field goal
33.7% 3 point
1.2 steals
2.7 turnovers
1.7/1 assist/turnover

It would be interesting to see Burks on the 2008 team and Rose on the 2004 team.

So, JJ was the best player on the team this year, and you note that Burks was an "absolute beast" and much better than JJ.

Yet you believe this:

(04-02-2013 03:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  It would have been a close game and this year's team would probably come out on top.

Interesting. Would Banks start on the '13 team? Who on the 13 team had a better season than 04 Banks?

(04-02-2013 03:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  When the 2004 team faced an Oklahoma State team that was similar to Michigan State; the game was literally over in 10 minutes. It was 23-10 after 10 minutes 31-12 after 14 minutes; and 41-19 at halftime.

The only similarities between those teams was that they both played in conferences with the word "Big" in them and both schools have "State University" in their names.

OSU was #4 in the country going into the Dance, was regular season and conference tourney champ, went to the FF and was a last minute shot away from playing for the NC. Oh, and they had two guys drafted in the 1st round that year.

MSU was neither the regular season nor the tourney champ and was run in the S16.

Yeah, their similarities are eerie.

(04-02-2013 03:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  The 2004 team...full of supposed tough guys...couldn't stay in the game for 10 minutes because they were peeing their pants.

Way to keep it classy about a Tiger team. Peeing their pants? Really?

(03-30-2013 09:36 PM)Memp400Kng Wrote:  Cal's teams were always underdogs, and they fought as underdogs. An "underdog" mentality teamed with high talent = watch out.

The current Tiger team has been talking about winning National Championships since their freshman year..... in their minds they have viewed themselves as the best things since sliced bread. When those expectations don't pan out on the court you can expect things to hurt bad, especially when you're dealing with youth.

I haven't read the whole thread, but feel this one bears repeating because, IMHO, it speaks volumes about some of the struggles we've seen under Josh...although most programs would love to "struggle" through 25-30 win seasons.

(04-03-2013 11:18 AM)transitt Wrote:  Burks had a great season. However, some on here still refuse to give Pastner or any of his players credit for, well, ANYTHING. Joe Jackson had a great season this year as well. People have the attitude "Uhhh, uhhh, well, Burks was better because everything Calipari did from day one is better than anything Pastner did."

No, Saluki, I am NOT being overly dramatic. People, even in this thread, act like the season (a 31-5 season) was a failure. That's beyond dumb and shows the sense on entitlement which, in the strength training thread for example, datbeme just flat out admitted to.

Anyone who bases the success of Josh's first four seasons on Cal's last four is somewhere between "unrealistic" and "complete and total moron".

I don't care if Tic Price was the coach, Burks was better than Joe. It's not a sleight to Joe, it's just how good Burks was.

31-5 is NOT a failure, but it was exactly expectations based on roster and based on the schedule. You can argue otherwise until you are reflex blue in the face, but it doesn't matter. Memphis won almost every game they were favored in and lost every game they were not favored in.

I base success on who you actually play and beat.

Memphis is a unique situation - there are not too many non major conference schools where you can stock a roster full of top 100 players, schedule mostly cupcakes, play in a mostly cupcake league, and still get a 6 seed.

I don't think it's honest to say Burks was better than Joe. They are completely different players. Burks couldn't match Joe's raw skill level, but made up for it with a lot of heart and willingness to grind.

That being said, this team could use a floor general a la Burks...someone to keep the team in line.

Well, everyone has an opinion and that's fair.

I think Burks would eat Joe alive in half-court and probably be pretty even match in transition.

(04-03-2013 12:05 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 10:53 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 11:26 PM)hollywoodtigerhound Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 10:39 PM)tigergg Wrote:  Burks was better than JJ is!!

Careful some here will want to fight you for making that statement, and I mean fight you "GOOOODDD."

There shouldn't be any fighting. JJ had a great season, but Burks had possibly the greatest season of any Memphis point guard in the last 25 years. You can make a reasonable argument that he had a better senior season than Rose's season.

Burks
16.0 points
5.5 assists
47.4% field goal
41.3% 3 point
2.4 steals
2.5 turnovers
2.2/1 assist/turnover

Rose
14.9 points
4.7 assists
47.7% field goal
33.7% 3 point
1.2 steals
2.7 turnovers
1.7/1 assist/turnover

It would be interesting to see Burks on the 2008 team and Rose on the 2004 team.

So, JJ was the best player on the team this year, and you note that Burks was an "absolute beast" and much better than JJ.

Yet you believe this:

(04-02-2013 03:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  It would have been a close game and this year's team would probably come out on top.

Interesting. Would Banks start on the '13 team? Who on the 13 team had a better season than 04 Banks?

(04-02-2013 03:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  When the 2004 team faced an Oklahoma State team that was similar to Michigan State; the game was literally over in 10 minutes. It was 23-10 after 10 minutes 31-12 after 14 minutes; and 41-19 at halftime.

The only similarities between those teams was that they both played in conferences with the word "Big" in them and both schools have "State University" in their names.

OSU was #4 in the country going into the Dance, was regular season and conference tourney champ, went to the FF and was a last minute shot away from playing for the NC. Oh, and they had two guys drafted in the 1st round that year.

MSU was neither the regular season nor the tourney champ and was run in the S16.

Yeah, their similarities are eerie.

(04-02-2013 03:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  The 2004 team...full of supposed tough guys...couldn't stay in the game for 10 minutes because they were peeing their pants.

Way to keep it classy about a Tiger team. Peeing their pants? Really?

Michigan State was ranked 9/10 in the polls, not exactly a massive difference Socrates. Anyone who saw the Oklahoma State game knows that our guys looked petrified from the opening tip.

Keep it classy? Quite the idiotic comment coming from someone that calls out Geron Johnson in a thread about Doug Gottlieb and the ENTIRE program in a thread about Marshall Henderson.

Off the mark and a complete hypocrite...as usual.

(04-03-2013 12:55 PM)99Tiger Wrote:  I don't think it's honest to say Burks was better than Joe. They are completely different players. Burks couldn't match Joe's raw skill level, but made up for it with a lot of heart and willingness to grind.

That being said, this team could use a floor general a la Burks...someone to keep the team in line.

Burks was able to beat the press on his own, was a pure point guard, and shot the ball really well by his junior season. JJ was great this year, but Burks was a cut above everyone else by the time he was a senior.

As mentioned in another post, Burks' senior season was better than Tyreke's and probably better than Rose's season. No shame in saying that he was better than JJ.

(04-03-2013 11:56 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 11:18 AM)transitt Wrote:  No, Saluki, I am NOT being overly dramatic. People, even in this thread, act like the season (a 31-5 season) was a failure.

Yes you are.

Please, provide ANY quote, link, whatever where ANYONE has described (as you claim) this season as a "FAILURE."

Oh please, you're a big boy. Take five minutes to look for yourself. You have selective vision, apparently. You probably also failed to see personal shots taken at coaches and players in this thread. I'll help you out. Post 60 for starters.