http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/20...gay-rights

Maybe I missed it - apologies if I did. I think it's a fairly significant reversal and I believe when President Obama reversed his opinion on gay marriage, it was mentioned here quite a bit.

In any case, I personally think it's a good thing Portman went public with that reversal, and it's probably a good thing for the GOP party as well if more Republicans follow suit.

Agree regarding the good thing comments.

RINOS.

No surrender, no retreat.

I am glad Portman has done this. Too bad it took having a new family dynamic to get him to do it. I bet you anything if his son was in a straight relationship his stance would still be against this issue.

(03-16-2013 08:13 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  RINOS.

No surrender, no retreat.

I understand that comment..but..the problem is that the RINOs are pretty much the REAL Republicans. The gang bosses are way far right from traditional Republican ideals.

How anyone with any principles can claim to be a true conservative and oppose adults joining together is beyond me. Conservatives should be the first ones to support peoples right to self determination and the limit of government meddling in peoples lives.

Fo- good points and that should carry on into the family planning discussion also. It just runs so counter to the Liberty part of the message. Don't tread on me. Keep your hands off my ovaries! That kind of deal.

(03-16-2013 08:48 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Fo- good points and that should carry on into the family planning discussion also. It just runs so counter to the Liberty part of the message. Don't tread on me. Keep your hands off my ovaries! That kind of deal.

I have no use for authoritarians...regardless of their gang colors.

(03-16-2013 08:29 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-16-2013 08:13 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  RINOS.

No surrender, no retreat.

How anyone with any principles can claim to be a true conservative and oppose adults joining together is beyond me. Conservatives should be the first ones to support peoples right to self determination and the limit of government meddling in peoples lives.

Gary Johnson was the most pro-gay marriage candidate last election. Also the most pro-decriminalization. He justified his position using conservative arguments as well. Sadly, those two issues hurt him with conservatives, as did his foreign policy. But at least there are a few conservatives out there who feel this way.

(03-16-2013 09:08 AM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  

(03-16-2013 08:29 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-16-2013 08:13 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  RINOS.

No surrender, no retreat.

How anyone with any principles can claim to be a true conservative and oppose adults joining together is beyond me. Conservatives should be the first ones to support peoples right to self determination and the limit of government meddling in peoples lives.

Gary Johnson was the most pro-gay marriage candidate last election. Also the most pro-decriminalization. He justified his position using conservative arguments as well. Sadly, those two issues hurt him with conservatives, as did his foreign policy. But at least there are a few conservatives out there who feel this way.

This country screams for multiple party inclusion that could bring the 2 radical gangs closer to the middle...Unfortunately that is almost impossible to accomplish now.

I was listening recently to Dan Carlin and he brought out a great point. Since Perot's success... no alternative candidate in US history (including Perot and T. Roosevelt) has ever garnered enough support to now be included in the debates. The 2 gangs that control the "commission" did a great job of raising the bar to a level that is unattainable. Funny how both gangs often quote the Founders..and yet they really opposed political parties. Maybe that has something to do with my dislike of them also.

Politician supports laws that benefit his relatives. Video at 6.

(03-16-2013 09:47 AM)RaiderATO Wrote:  Politician supports saws that benefit his relatives. Video at 6.

Yes. Nothing really new here.

(03-16-2013 08:48 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Fo- good points and that should carry on into the family planning discussion also. It just runs so counter to the Liberty part of the message. Don't tread on me. Keep your hands off my ovaries! That kind of deal.

Killing the unborn does not play into the liberty message...

Their right to their ovaries ends when you dice up and vacuum suck a human being out of the womb.

(03-16-2013 08:29 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-16-2013 08:13 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  RINOS.

No surrender, no retreat.

I understand that comment..but..the problem is that the RINOs are pretty much the REAL Republicans. The gang bosses are way far right from traditional Republican ideals.

How anyone with any principles can claim to be a true conservative and oppose adults joining together is beyond me. Conservatives should be the first ones to support peoples right to self determination and the limit of government meddling in peoples lives.

No. The RINOs are not REAL republicans. The RINOs are the ones who compromise conservative principles, change their mind, sell out real republicans and placate the evil left-wing's God-less agenda.

Morals be damned.

(03-16-2013 10:34 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-16-2013 08:48 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Fo- good points and that should carry on into the family planning discussion also. It just runs so counter to the Liberty part of the message. Don't tread on me. Keep your hands off my ovaries! That kind of deal.

Killing the unborn does not play into the liberty message...

Their right to their ovaries ends when you dice up and vacuum suck a human being out of the womb.

Ill take a "Bortz" from this point.

What if the unborn has a 1% chance at life? What if the unborn has a chromosomal problem? If "YOU" want to raise a brain dead kid or if "YOU" want to force your wife into carrying a stillborn, who am I to judge?. So you want a vegetable in the family Christmas pics for the conservative street cred? Knock yerself the F out..... that's why we call it pro - "CHOICE". Quit trying to use the force of govt. and tie families into your sick and twisted playground.


See how easy hyperbole is?

Marriage = 1 man and 1 woman. It isn't 2 men, or 2 women, or 3 men and 1 woman, or 2 men and 2 women, or 1 man and a dog.

But I don't give a sh1t any more. This country sucks because the takers outnumber the makers. All anyone cares about now is how they can get money for nothing, as evidenced by the skyrocketing number of disability claims that have been filed and the number of people now on food stamps. Truly pathetic.

It's all looking like the last days of Rome. I would not want to be an American in the 22nd century.

Except Bulls post wasn't hyperbole Mach.

Ohhh the return of the 47% argument....

Do you really believe that 1st of all? If so. 1. When did 47% become a majority? 2. Who do you think those 47% mainly vote for?

The food stamp angle.

Let's take a look at this and let's try to have a simple deductive reasoning argument. On one thread we have a poster lamenting abortions. It's a fact that the main group having abortions are single mothers who already can't afford the child they currently have. Can you see the paradox you Republicans create for the rest of us Americans?

(03-16-2013 12:22 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  What if the unborn has a 1% chance at life?

What if a 1yo has a 1% chance at life?

Quote:What if the unborn has a chromosomal problem?

What if a 2 week old is discovered to have a chromosomal problem nobody knew about?

Quote:If "YOU" want to raise a brain dead kid or if "YOU" want to force your wife into carrying a stillborn, who am I to judge?.

Love how you inserted "stillborn" in here as if I would have a problem aborting an already dead baby.

Quote:So you want a vegetable in the family Christmas pics for the conservative street cred?

Downs kids are not vegtibles, your hatred of the disabled is astonishing but typical of the left. To a conservative "Better off dead" is a funny 80's film, to a Liberal its a mantra for family planning.

Quote:Knock yerself the F out..... that's why we call it pro - "CHOICE".

Chosing to kill someone denies the victim choice..

Quote:Quit trying to use the force of govt. and tie families into your sick and twisted playground.

Yea you justify abortion only by pointing at sick people which implies its more ok in your view to kill the disabled than the able bodied but *I'm* the one in a sick and twisted playground.

Quote:See how easy hyperbole is?

I'm sorry are you are you saying the dissection and removal via a vaccum is not a popular method of abortion?

"Dilation and curettage (D and C). In a dilation and curettage, the cervix is dilated and instruments with sharp edges, known as curettes, are used to remove the pregnancy tissue. Suction is often used to make sure all the contents of the uterus are removed. The earlier in pregnancy this procedure is done, the less the cervix has to be dilated, which makes the procedure easier and safer. "

Not hyperbole, just an "Inconvenient truth"