(03-08-2013 11:33 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 10:48 PM)tolfbfan Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 10:31 PM)rocket 51 Wrote:  I guess they were...... OVERATED!!!! Nice numbers by Loving though in the loss!

Unintelligent post, If Gardner plays different press release.

Same press release. It would still have been considered an upset.

What the heck is happening over there on Airport, they don't even have the nads to just say "congratulations?"

SJJ was AHEAD at the half. They didn't miss the player. Rogers came out of the half better coached and beat SJJ by 17 points in the second half. We're not talking about a close game and SJJ's talent level doesn't fall off that far. The "injured" player wouldn't have made up the difference.

I'm not for the gloating tone I took from the title of the thread but give credit. Rogers did the job. END OF STORY.

Here you go MGB; now you can read it. I didn't see the game but East makes a good point. One player shouldn't make an 11 point difference to a team as deep as St Johns.

(03-09-2013 08:43 AM)Aries_Rocket Wrote:  Here you go MGB; now you can read it. I didn't see the game but East makes a good point. One player shouldn't make an 11 point difference to a team as deep as St Johns.

You know, that's on him. Disappointing for an SJJ grad to behave that way but it takes all kinds to make the world go round. He contributes tons in other areas.

As for the 11 points, Rogers was behind 5 at half so it was 17 points in one half. When's the last time ANY SJJ team gave up that many? Rogers was on fire and both their players AND coaches deserve congratulations, no reservations or rationalizations. This game was theirs.

Also noted the great compassion the Rogers kids showed after the game towards Marc Loving, whose great high school career completed.

Speaking of City League genealogy, I'm pretty sure Loving's father played for Devilbiss or Start or Macomber or from some reason, I'm thinking all three. Might have been around that time the schools closed.

(03-09-2013 12:54 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Kynards have gone to Start, Rogers, St. John's, Springfield and others. Most are related. Many good athletes have come from that family.

There is a big congrats to Rogers. I would have rather lost to them than Whitmer or Central. I live in district and have a good relationship with many grads. But other fans of other schools shouldn't be talking smack over the game. I think the non SJJ/Rogers fans should be congratulating them, and not dis-gratulating the Titans. (I made up a new word!)

Exactly!

And the Johnny fans do not need to make themselves look poor by making up excuses and rationalizations. It wasn't a couple point game where a player might have made a difference. It was a dominating second half by Rogers. Rogers' kids and coaches did a great job!

Big game Saturday: Rogers - Central Catholic.

Both seem to be playing their best ball here in tournament. Either should represent well but they have Mansfield Senior - Anthony Wayne between them and states.

Correct. I said it would have been different minus Kynard, and plus Gardner (minus Rogers point guard, and plus the SJJ). Gardner had 18 the first game when the Titans won by 8 at home. He also plays defense and does more than score. It hurts any team to lose a leader the night before a big game! Any team.... Central without Kizer, Whitmer without Smith, Anthony Wayne without Debo, Rogers without Kynard. Not a special excuse for the Titans. As anyone saw they did play well in the first half, and had a shot to win for sure. Loving missed 7 free throws, and couldn't crawl back in the game.

But why point fun at the Titans, when they hit some bad luck. There is a difference IMO.

(03-09-2013 08:43 AM)Aries_Rocket Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 11:33 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 10:48 PM)tolfbfan Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 10:31 PM)rocket 51 Wrote:  I guess they were...... OVERATED!!!! Nice numbers by Loving though in the loss!

Unintelligent post, If Gardner plays different press release.

Same press release. It would still have been considered an upset.

What the heck is happening over there on Airport, they don't even have the nads to just say "congratulations?"

SJJ was AHEAD at the half. They didn't miss the player. Rogers came out of the half better coached and beat SJJ by 17 points in the second half. We're not talking about a close game and SJJ's talent level doesn't fall off that far. The "injured" player wouldn't have made up the difference.

I'm not for the gloating tone I took from the title of the thread but give credit. Rogers did the job. END OF STORY.

Here you go MGB; now you can read it. I didn't see the game but East makes a good point. One player shouldn't make an 11 point difference to a team as deep as St Johns.

The thing is, it was closer than an 11 point game until a minute or 2 left, when SJJ started fouling. SJJ still had a chance to win it, but they couldn't make FTs and couldn't get a rebound (Rogers is super athletic. On that dunk in the 4th qtr, #24(?) just EXPLODED up from a stand still to dunk that.). It most likely would have been a completely different game had Gardner played (not saying that they would have won, but it would have been a different game). Gardner is their floor general. Some people have said the Gardner is more important for SJJ than Loving (not better, but more important). Rogers pressures the PG a lot, so Gardner would have made a huge difference there. Glover (#4) for SJJ had to step in and play PG for the entire game, and unfortunately he didn't play his best game (it seemed like he was 0/8+ from the field).

But congrats to Rogers. They are a legit team. Just look at all the teams they played tough this year - reading the article in the Blah in Thursday, I didn't realize they played soo many good teams. I'm pulling for Rogers to beat CCHS.

(03-09-2013 10:36 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  The thing is, it was closer than an 11 point game until a minute or 2 left, when SJJ started fouling. SJJ still had a chance to win it, but they couldn't make FTs and couldn't get a rebound (Rogers is super athletic. On that dunk in the 4th qtr, #24(?) just EXPLODED up from a stand still to dunk that.). It most likely would have been a completely different game had Gardner played (not saying that they would have won, but it would have been a different game).

Of course you're not going to see this post but for everyone elses' benefit, that's all people are looking for, acknowledgement of the other team.

Of course losing a player, or a player being sick (we're assuming all the Rogers' players were up to speed) is going to change a game but that player being in the game doesn't make SJJ's free throws start to fall. It's doesn't mean Rogers wouldn't have also worn him out. It doesn't mean he'd have been at the top of his game.

Rogers played a terrific game. They made halftime adjustments that worked. Someone believing it wouldn't be a "completely" different game doesn't shortfall SJJ. It compliments the other team.

Again, no one is saying it would have been completely different. But it didn't help that Gardner was out. That is all we are saying. To say we are not giving props to Rogers is absurd. That team is ridiculously athletic and can shoot the lights out.

(03-09-2013 11:29 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Again, no one is saying it would have been completely different. But it didn't help that Gardner was out. That is all we are saying. To say we are not giving props to Rogers is absurd. That team is ridiculously athletic and can shoot the lights out.

Actually, he did. I quoted it and "you" and "we" are completely different. Not so absurd. You might not want to presume to speak for the entirety of those posting as SJJ "fans."

This was a simple assignment for the Johnnies. They simply had to post congratulations to Rogers for the hard work and the win. That was it. No need for "excuses," "what ifs...." That's what humble people do, isn't it?

Instead, the assumption was that OP's post was a shot at SJJ, when it was a shot at O$U.

Do you remember when SJJ beat Rogers during the season? Do you recall the headline in the paper? Up top and ran there for a couple days. SJJ proclaimed the city champs. Did you see where the "headline" was when Rogers beat SJJ? A single 12 font below the page. You had to scroll down to see it.

There's still a thread up in the Rocket Exhaust, where the paper had to be called out for their disparity of reporting. In that case, they had the good sense to change their headlines.

What I am saying, is reality. Keep your eyes open and you'll see it. it is important to constantly called out the arrogance because it is pervasive.

Yogurt U @ Gateway offering a discount to Central Catholic students before and after today's game.

It's spring break, so it's good business.

(03-09-2013 03:27 PM)San Giuseppe Jato Rocket Wrote:  Yogurt U @ Gateway offering a discount to Central Catholic students before and after today's game.

It's spring break, so it's good business.

Central Catholic students gets 50% off any $3.00 yogurt!!

I love high school games played at Savage. It's usually always a good game so the atmosphere is awesome. It should be as well tonight as the Irish faithful will be rockin'. It'll be a great game, anyone gonna check it out? I'll be there for some great high school basketball.

What, no thread for Rogers beating Central, 60-39?

Rams are looking strong. Go Rogers!

(03-09-2013 11:55 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Rams are looking strong. Go Rogers!

Rogers has been a legitimate team all year - just look at their OOC schedule. It included #1, 2, 5 teams in D1, and #1 in D2. And they played all of them tough.

St. John's was the reason my high school team always was bad in football...they recruited all of the good players that we had in our district away from us and my high school contained less than 400 students total so we needed all of them.

Wow, Rogers a legitimate state finalist with 2 huge back to back wins. I think St. Johns fans can now shut it with the 'if Gardner played, we would have won' mumbo jumbo.

Go Rogers! Represent Toledo!

(03-10-2013 08:08 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  Wow, Rogers a legitimate state finalist with 2 huge back to back wins. I think St. Johns fans can now shut it with the 'if Gardner played, we would have won' mumbo jumbo.

Go Rogers! Represent Toledo!

They're not a state finalist yet. Another local team, Anthony Wayne (I'm not even sure where that is) is up next with a 6'10" Michigan recruit. AW beat a team very similar to Rogers and quite handley (handedly, handly, handidly, aargh all misspelled, is it even a word?). The Rams have their work cut out for them, figuring out what they can do that Mansfield Senior couldn't.

Amazing year locally as far as individual talent.

(03-10-2013 09:59 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:08 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  Wow, Rogers a legitimate state finalist with 2 huge back to back wins. I think St. Johns fans can now shut it with the 'if Gardner played, we would have won' mumbo jumbo.

Go Rogers! Represent Toledo!

They're not a state finalist yet. Another local team, Anthony Wayne (I'm not even sure where that is) is up next with a 6'10" Michigan recruit. AW beat a team very similar to Rogers and quite handley (handedly, handly, handidly, aargh all misspelled, is it even a word?). The Rams have their work cut out for them, figuring out what they can do that Mansfield Senior couldn't.

Amazing year locally as far as individual talent.

Anthony Wayne is in Whitehouse near Eber/Weckerly/Finzel Roads.

(03-10-2013 08:08 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  Wow, Rogers a legitimate state finalist with 2 huge back to back wins. I think St. Johns fans can now shut it with the 'if Gardner played, we would have won' mumbo jumbo.

Go Rogers! Represent Toledo!

So, because Rogers beat Central (who SJJ was 2-0 against this season), that means SJJ could not have beaten Rogers with Gardner??? Yes, that makes complete sense.

And please show me where I, or another SJJ supporter (I could be wrong about someone else saying SJJ would have won with Gardner playing, but I don't feel like re-reading this entire thread), said that SJJ would have beaten Rogers with Gardner...All I said was that it would have been a completely different game.

MBG - IMHO what we are talking about here is institutional arrogance. They give the impression that they are doing the rest of us in NWOhio a favor being here. For years their recruiting has enabled them to poach a significant number of exceptional athlete from area districts to their campus (Ask Springfield folks, as an example). Their preferential support from the Blade continues (see the earlier references to comparable headline for a SJJ win vs. lets say the Rams). All in all it is easy to see why folks can get tired of their excuses when they dont have the success they want. Look at all of the D1 hoops kids who have come out of there, more than any school by far. You would think that they would have had a much stronger record in statewide competition over the years but they have not. I love the tag line that was used this year saying how SJJ was "undefeated when playing teams in Ohio". Poor Rams could not afford the $$ to travel near and wide to compete on the big stage. When all is said and done, IMHO it is easy to look at SJJ and say, they are an under-achiever that is overrated. True test for them comes in the off season....new coach or not? EH put them behind the old eight-ball on this one. Time will tell and you wont find it covered well in the Blade.

(03-10-2013 12:13 PM)rocket 51 Wrote:  MBG - IMHO what we are talking about here is institutional arrogance. They give the impression that they are doing the rest of us in NWOhio a favor being here. For years their recruiting has enabled them to poach a significant number of exceptional athlete from area districts to their campus (Ask Springfield folks, as an example). Their preferential support from the Blade continues (see the earlier references to comparable headline for a SJJ win vs. lets say the Rams). All in all it is easy to see why folks can get tired of their excuses when they dont have the success they want. Look at all of the D1 hoops kids who have come out of there, more than any school by far. You would think that they would have had a much stronger record in statewide competition over the years but they have not. I love the tag line that was used this year saying how SJJ was "undefeated when playing teams in Ohio". Poor Rams could not afford the $$ to travel near and wide to compete on the big stage. When all is said and done, IMHO it is easy to look at SJJ and say, they are an under-achiever that is overrated. True test for them comes in the off season....new coach or not? EH put them behind the old eight-ball on this one. Time will tell and you wont find it covered well in the Blade.

Where did you see that? I haven't seen that, because it is not true. They lost @ Findlay in December, and if I'm not mistaken, Findlay is in Ohio.

And are you guys blind? The game story for Rogers win over SJJ was FRONT and CENTER in the sports section! With the headline in LARGE font: Rams End Titans Run. It wasn't " A single 12 font below the page." as one SJJ hater said.