Memphis finding a better coach than its current one would be a MUCH easier task today than it was in April of 2009.

There would probably be quite a few coaches who would actually want the job this time around, as opposed to having to follow Cal.

(01-04-2013 12:27 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  Memphis finding a better coach than its current one would be a MUCH easier task today than it was in April of 2009.

There would probably be quite a few coaches who would actually want the job this time around, as opposed to having to follow Cal.

Well, again, let's hear some names.

It's intellectually lazy to call for a coach to be fired and not have thought through the replacement options.

It's like working only half of a math problem.

(01-04-2013 12:13 PM)arltiger Wrote:  Yeah fire a guy who is averaging 25 wins a season

...against crappy competition

Quote:running the program the right way

... which you really don't know. What I know is he isn't making his players better and that includes some of the most sought high school basketball players of the last five years

Quote:is a credit to the city

...so was that chubby kid who danced at the Grizzlies game with the Zbo jersey

Quote:and the University

...not if he isn't winning games on national television or against teams in the NCAA tournament.

Quote:If you think all these players signed because of who we are instead of who Josh is you are even more naive than I thought.

I bet you Josh wouldn't have recruited those players if he were the coach at Arkansas State or Austin Peay. Don't sell your school (and it's brand) short.

Quote:Maybe we can hire Mike Davis or Tic Price.

Why replace a coach who sucks but can recruit with a coach who sucks and can't recruit? But hey, at least Tic Price has beaten a ranked team and Mike Davis won five straight NCAA games. They suck, but at least they have that going for them, How about Josh?

(01-04-2013 12:30 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:27 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  Memphis finding a better coach than its current one would be a MUCH easier task today than it was in April of 2009.

There would probably be quite a few coaches who would actually want the job this time around, as opposed to having to follow Cal.

Well, again, let's hear some names.

It's intellectually lazy to call for a coach to be fired and not have thought through the replacement options.

It's like working only half of a math problem.

I'd rather have crooked assed Bruce Pearl or Kelvin Sampson over Josh Pastner.

Jeff Capel might suck long term, but he'd get more out of this talent than Josh is.

(01-04-2013 12:24 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:24 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:09 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 10:11 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 09:50 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Then Bowen may as well fire Pastner and coach the games himself. He can save all us boosters $1.7 mill. per year.

If Bowen is continuing the bball series for the overall good of the athleticc program (READ: a football series w/ UT), then that's one thing, but he still needs to clue his bball coach into the discussions instead of publicly knee-capping him.

But if Bowen is just negotiating a basketball series, that is unacceptable. The basketball coach makes his schedule, the AD negotiates the games that the BBall coach wants. The Ole Miss thing was acceptable because, again, it came with a football deal.

How about firing Pastner and hiring a better coach?

I hope you're ready to produce some names for replacements if you want to suggest this.

I don't know. It's not my job to know. The person who is supposed to know is Tom Bowen... The one who obviously is showing Josh Pastner who's boss.

Exactly the response I was expecting.

Where will this program be in five years under Josh Pastner?

(01-04-2013 12:18 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:13 PM)arltiger Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:02 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 10:20 AM)arltiger Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 10:11 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  How about firing Pastner and hiring a better coach?

I don't think you will have to worry about firing him. I figure he will be looking for a way out now. Who wants to work for guy who makes his decisions on who he is friends with. Who gives a damn if Hart is a nice guy. If he gets a deal where we play them only in the year they play us in fb, then I will give him credit. The last I looked san jose's bb team was not setting the world on fire and I assume he ran that program too.

Best thing that can happen to us is for Josh to get a job offer at another school and we decline to match.

Nick King, M. Crawford, and hopefully, Austin Nichols stay, JJ, Shaq, and Adonis hopefully stay, and a great hire convinces Pookie Powell to come, and we instantly become a final four contenders.

Yeah fire a guy who is averaging 25 wins a season, running the program the right way, and is a credit to the city and the University. If you think all these players signed because of who we are instead of who Josh is you are even more naive than I thought. Maybe we can hire Mike Davis or Tic Price.

Getting them here is one thing. Nobody will ever say Pastner can't get them here.

But what he does with them once they're here....? Completely different story. He's drowning.

If the regression of guys like Joe Jackson and Chris Crawford doesn't speak volumes, there's not much I can say for you.

See, you became an Ole Miss fan long enough to lose any basketball knowledge. Have you watched Joe play this season? Seriously? He's playing the best ball of his college career!

(01-04-2013 12:32 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:30 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:27 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  Memphis finding a better coach than its current one would be a MUCH easier task today than it was in April of 2009.

There would probably be quite a few coaches who would actually want the job this time around, as opposed to having to follow Cal.

Well, again, let's hear some names.

It's intellectually lazy to call for a coach to be fired and not have thought through the replacement options.

It's like working only half of a math problem.

I'd rather have crooked assed Bruce Pearl or Kelvin Sampson over Josh Pastner.

Jeff Capel might suck long term, but he'd get more out of this talent than Josh is.

Hell, Andy Kennedy would do a better job than Pastner with everything he'd have to work with here.

(01-04-2013 12:37 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:18 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:13 PM)arltiger Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:02 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 10:20 AM)arltiger Wrote:  I don't think you will have to worry about firing him. I figure he will be looking for a way out now. Who wants to work for guy who makes his decisions on who he is friends with. Who gives a damn if Hart is a nice guy. If he gets a deal where we play them only in the year they play us in fb, then I will give him credit. The last I looked san jose's bb team was not setting the world on fire and I assume he ran that program too.

Best thing that can happen to us is for Josh to get a job offer at another school and we decline to match.

Nick King, M. Crawford, and hopefully, Austin Nichols stay, JJ, Shaq, and Adonis hopefully stay, and a great hire convinces Pookie Powell to come, and we instantly become a final four contenders.

Yeah fire a guy who is averaging 25 wins a season, running the program the right way, and is a credit to the city and the University. If you think all these players signed because of who we are instead of who Josh is you are even more naive than I thought. Maybe we can hire Mike Davis or Tic Price.

Getting them here is one thing. Nobody will ever say Pastner can't get them here.

But what he does with them once they're here....? Completely different story. He's drowning.

If the regression of guys like Joe Jackson and Chris Crawford doesn't speak volumes, there's not much I can say for you.

See, you became an Ole Miss fan long enough to lose any basketball knowledge. Have you watched Joe play this season? Seriously? He's playing the best ball of his college career!

....and Lord knows that ain't saying much..

(01-04-2013 12:32 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:30 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:27 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  Memphis finding a better coach than its current one would be a MUCH easier task today than it was in April of 2009.

There would probably be quite a few coaches who would actually want the job this time around, as opposed to having to follow Cal.

Well, again, let's hear some names.

It's intellectually lazy to call for a coach to be fired and not have thought through the replacement options.

It's like working only half of a math problem.

I'd rather have crooked assed Bruce Pearl or Kelvin Sampson over Josh Pastner.

Jeff Capel might suck long term, but he'd get more out of this talent than Josh is.

Bruce Pearl is an interesting name.

Kelvin Sampson will never work in college athletics again.

Jeff Capel's track record is worse than Pastner's.

(01-04-2013 12:38 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:37 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:18 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:13 PM)arltiger Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:02 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  Best thing that can happen to us is for Josh to get a job offer at another school and we decline to match.

Nick King, M. Crawford, and hopefully, Austin Nichols stay, JJ, Shaq, and Adonis hopefully stay, and a great hire convinces Pookie Powell to come, and we instantly become a final four contenders.

Yeah fire a guy who is averaging 25 wins a season, running the program the right way, and is a credit to the city and the University. If you think all these players signed because of who we are instead of who Josh is you are even more naive than I thought. Maybe we can hire Mike Davis or Tic Price.

Getting them here is one thing. Nobody will ever say Pastner can't get them here.

But what he does with them once they're here....? Completely different story. He's drowning.

If the regression of guys like Joe Jackson and Chris Crawford doesn't speak volumes, there's not much I can say for you.

See, you became an Ole Miss fan long enough to lose any basketball knowledge. Have you watched Joe play this season? Seriously? He's playing the best ball of his college career!

....and Lord knows that ain't saying much..

????

Joe is having what looks to be an all-conference season.

Do you follow basketball?

(01-04-2013 12:38 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:37 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:18 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:13 PM)arltiger Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:02 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  Best thing that can happen to us is for Josh to get a job offer at another school and we decline to match.

Nick King, M. Crawford, and hopefully, Austin Nichols stay, JJ, Shaq, and Adonis hopefully stay, and a great hire convinces Pookie Powell to come, and we instantly become a final four contenders.

Yeah fire a guy who is averaging 25 wins a season, running the program the right way, and is a credit to the city and the University. If you think all these players signed because of who we are instead of who Josh is you are even more naive than I thought. Maybe we can hire Mike Davis or Tic Price.

Getting them here is one thing. Nobody will ever say Pastner can't get them here.

But what he does with them once they're here....? Completely different story. He's drowning.

If the regression of guys like Joe Jackson and Chris Crawford doesn't speak volumes, there's not much I can say for you.

See, you became an Ole Miss fan long enough to lose any basketball knowledge. Have you watched Joe play this season? Seriously? He's playing the best ball of his college career!

....and Lord knows that ain't saying much..

Wow....Go back to worshipping Col Reb. According to you, Joe regressed but sucked to begin with. Seriously, Oxford misses you.

We might have had that snake in the grass coach at Baylor if Calkins hadn't written those articles about how much of a snake he was. Guess it's hard to find another Gene Bartow.

(01-04-2013 12:43 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:32 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:30 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:27 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  Memphis finding a better coach than its current one would be a MUCH easier task today than it was in April of 2009.

There would probably be quite a few coaches who would actually want the job this time around, as opposed to having to follow Cal.

Well, again, let's hear some names.

It's intellectually lazy to call for a coach to be fired and not have thought through the replacement options.

It's like working only half of a math problem.

I'd rather have crooked assed Bruce Pearl or Kelvin Sampson over Josh Pastner.

Jeff Capel might suck long term, but he'd get more out of this talent than Josh is.

Bruce Pearl is an interesting name.

Kelvin Sampson will never work in college athletics again.

Jeff Capel's track record is worse than Pastner's.

Bruce Pearl used the murder of Lorenzen Wright to recruit againt Memphis. I will give up my season tickets if Memphis hires him.

(01-04-2013 12:37 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:32 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:30 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:27 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  Memphis finding a better coach than its current one would be a MUCH easier task today than it was in April of 2009.

There would probably be quite a few coaches who would actually want the job this time around, as opposed to having to follow Cal.

Well, again, let's hear some names.

It's intellectually lazy to call for a coach to be fired and not have thought through the replacement options.

It's like working only half of a math problem.

I'd rather have crooked assed Bruce Pearl or Kelvin Sampson over Josh Pastner.

Jeff Capel might suck long term, but he'd get more out of this talent than Josh is.

Hell, Andy Kennedy would do a better job than Pastner with everything he'd have to work with here.

You mean the Andy Kennedy who couldn't cut it at Cincy? The one who hasn't ever been to the NCAA tournament?

That Andy Kennedy?

(01-04-2013 12:33 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:24 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:24 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:09 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 10:11 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  How about firing Pastner and hiring a better coach?

I hope you're ready to produce some names for replacements if you want to suggest this.

I don't know. It's not my job to know. The person who is supposed to know is Tom Bowen... The one who obviously is showing Josh Pastner who's boss.

Exactly the response I was expecting.

Where will this program be in five years under Josh Pastner?

Where was the program after Calipari's third year? And five years after?

How about giving Pastner the same chance to build his program?

(01-04-2013 12:46 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:38 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:37 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:18 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:13 PM)arltiger Wrote:  Yeah fire a guy who is averaging 25 wins a season, running the program the right way, and is a credit to the city and the University. If you think all these players signed because of who we are instead of who Josh is you are even more naive than I thought. Maybe we can hire Mike Davis or Tic Price.

Getting them here is one thing. Nobody will ever say Pastner can't get them here.

But what he does with them once they're here....? Completely different story. He's drowning.

If the regression of guys like Joe Jackson and Chris Crawford doesn't speak volumes, there's not much I can say for you.

See, you became an Ole Miss fan long enough to lose any basketball knowledge. Have you watched Joe play this season? Seriously? He's playing the best ball of his college career!

....and Lord knows that ain't saying much..

Wow....Go back to worshipping Col Reb. According to you, Joe regressed but sucked to begin with. Seriously, Oxford misses you.

Incapable of a conversation?

(01-04-2013 12:47 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:43 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:32 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:30 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:27 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  Memphis finding a better coach than its current one would be a MUCH easier task today than it was in April of 2009.

There would probably be quite a few coaches who would actually want the job this time around, as opposed to having to follow Cal.

Well, again, let's hear some names.

It's intellectually lazy to call for a coach to be fired and not have thought through the replacement options.

It's like working only half of a math problem.

I'd rather have crooked assed Bruce Pearl or Kelvin Sampson over Josh Pastner.

Jeff Capel might suck long term, but he'd get more out of this talent than Josh is.

Bruce Pearl is an interesting name.

Kelvin Sampson will never work in college athletics again.

Jeff Capel's track record is worse than Pastner's.

Bruce Pearl used the murder of Lorenzen Wright to recruit againt Memphis. I will give up my season tickets if Memphis hires him.

He's a winner though.

(01-04-2013 12:46 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  We might have had that snake in the grass coach at Baylor if Calkins hadn't written those articles about how much of a snake he was. Guess it's hard to find another Gene Bartow.

Harder still to find Tiger hoops fans whos' memories extend back before 2006.

Don't blow a good thing!!! You have a good young coach (young) smart coach. He recruits really well at Memphis! There is a learning curve but no
ceiling. Your teams are always talented. You have a great talent pool in this
area! You have hired a knowledgable AD, who seems to know what it will take to get us where we want to be. If no great conference, then a great independent! I for one love the coaches we have in all sports, the AD and
Dr. Shirley Raines getting our academic act together: expansion of our brand i.e. UMjax, the possibility of getting our own regent board, and getting new facilities. Stop bitching so much! and try to guide the progress
with some positives! Heres to you Tigercane! P.S. the new football coach,
Coach Fuentes is a great get! Pack the house and enjoy the progress!!!

(01-04-2013 12:48 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:46 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:38 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:37 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 12:18 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  Getting them here is one thing. Nobody will ever say Pastner can't get them here.

But what he does with them once they're here....? Completely different story. He's drowning.

If the regression of guys like Joe Jackson and Chris Crawford doesn't speak volumes, there's not much I can say for you.

See, you became an Ole Miss fan long enough to lose any basketball knowledge. Have you watched Joe play this season? Seriously? He's playing the best ball of his college career!

....and Lord knows that ain't saying much..

Wow....Go back to worshipping Col Reb. According to you, Joe regressed but sucked to begin with. Seriously, Oxford misses you.

Incapable of a conversation?

With someone who claims to be a Memphis fan but in the same breath claim our coaches and players suck? Yes. I don't have enough patience or Advil.

Chew on this for a while. You claim Joe regressed under Pastner. He's currently averaging 13.2PPG, shooting 53% from the field, 50% from the three point line, and his Assist/TO ratio is slowly creeping up towards 2/1. Explain to me where he's regressing....


I'll wait. Take Tylenol for any headaches. Midol for any cramps.