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Revenge of the purged against Boehner
The conservative and liberty wings are revolting. They shot down Boehner's "Plan B". None other than Justin The-Effin-Man Amash led the opposition.

I hope this is indeed the beginning of the end for Boehner.


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RE: Revenge of the purged against Boehner
Some mention of Paul Ryan as the next Speaker. But Eric Cantor (Boehner lite) seems to be Heir Apparent.
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RE: Revenge of the purged against Boehner
From Amash's Facebook:

Quote:On Tuesday night, House and Senate conferees reinserted language into the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) to allow the government to indefinitely detain anyone in the U.S., including American citizens, upon the mere accusation that the person supports terrorism. No charge. No trial. No explanation.

The NDAA vote is Thursday. I will be saying NO to this violation of our civil liberties and our Constitution. You can tell Congress how you feel: http://house.gov/ http://senate.gov/.

This passed 315-107. The nays of interest among the 30 GOP nays:

Rep. Justin Amash [R, MI-3] Nay
Rep. Michele Bachmann [R, MN-6] Nay
Rep. John Duncan [R, TN-2] Nay
Rep. Chris Gibson [R, NY-20] Nay
Rep. Tom Graves [R, GA-9] Nay
Rep. Tim Huelskamp [R, KS-1] Nay
Rep. Walter Jones [R, NC-3] Nay
Rep. Raúl Labrador [R, ID-1] Nay
Rep. Connie Mack [R, FL-14] Nay
Rep. Thomas Massie [R, KY-4] Nay
Rep. Tom McClintock [R, CA-4] Nay
Rep. Ronald Paul [R, TX-14] Nay
Rep. David Schweikert [R, AZ-5] Nay
Rep. Joe Walsh [R, IL-8] Nay


Quote:I voted "no" on the motion to instruct conferees on H R 4310, National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2013. The motion, offered by Democrats, instructs House conferees to agree to sec. 1249 of the Senate amendment, relating to a plan for promoting the safety of Afghan women during the security transition process. Generally, one side will use a motion to instruct to score political points at the other side's expense. I view them as procedural motions. It passed 399-4.

The nays on that?
Rep. Justin Amash [R, MI-3] Nay
Rep. Walter Jones [R, NC-3] Nay
Rep. Thomas Massie [R, KY-4] Nay
Rep. Ronald Paul [R, TX-14] Nay








And in the Congressional blind squirrel finds a nut category ....

Quote:I voted "yes" on the motion to suspend the rules and pass H R 4053, Improper Payments Elimination and Recovery Improvement Act of 2012, which requires federal agencies to follow certain processes to reduce wasteful government spending. The bill requires greater sharing of "do not pay" lists among federal agencies—such as the Social Security Death Master File—and requires they be checked before releasing payment or other federal funds. The bill also requires reports on and audits of improper payments made under federal programs and their recovery rates. It passed 402-0.

Quote:I voted "no" on the motion to suspend the rules and pass H R 6190, Asthma Inhalers Relief Act of 2012, which extends the permitted sale date of a specific type of CFC-containing asthma inhaler through August 2013. The EPA began phasing out the sale of this inhaler in 2008 as part of its implementation of the Montreal Protocol, and none of them were to be sold beginning in 2012. The extension is meant to allow the inhaler's main producer to liquidate its existing inventory.

This bill does not change U.S. policy on the regulation of CFCs. It benefits one company almost exclusively by temporarily exempting them from a policy many other companies have had to comply with. Producers have known about the EPA's regulation for more than four years, and many other CFC-containing inhalers have already been phased out without any special treatment for their producers. It is inappropriate for Congress to change the law for the benefit of one or two companies. It failed 229-182 (suspension bills require a two-thirds majority to pass).
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RE: Revenge of the purged against Boehner
Whether you liked Pelosi or not...and I'm no big fan...at least she was competent at her job.

Rachel had a great piece on Boehner last night and whether his failures are strictly on him or has the Republican party itself made it impossible for anyone to do that job. It's worth checking out IMO.
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(12-22-2012 11:03 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Rachel had a great piece

Rachel has never had a great piece on anything.
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(12-22-2012 11:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(12-22-2012 11:03 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Rachel had a great piece

Rachel has never had a great piece on anything.

Nutwings often make absolute statements.
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(12-22-2012 10:30 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  The conservative and liberty wings are revolting. They shot down Boehner's "Plan B". None other than Justin The-Effin-Man Amash led the opposition.

I hope this is indeed the beginning of the end for Boehner.


http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/re...Page2.html

This may very well be the end of Boehner, but it's also the end of the GOP as currently constituted. There are already voices in the Republican party calling on the more moderate wing to leave the party. You may get your pure party, but it won't be one that wields any power at all.
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(12-22-2012 07:05 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  This may very well be the end of Boehner, but it's also the end of the GOP as currently constituted. There are already voices in the Republican party calling on the more moderate wing to leave the party. You may get your pure party, but it won't be one that wields any power at all.


A party that wields power only to abuse it for their own gain, their own profit, and the further pursuit of statism is a party that shouldn't exist. I'd rather never wield power for doing the right thing than always wield power for the wrong thing.

And I disagree with your Hobson's Choice. Liberty can be made the prevailing force of government if the electorate is interested in something other than a handout.
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RE: Revenge of the purged against Boehner
(12-22-2012 07:05 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  
(12-22-2012 10:30 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  The conservative and liberty wings are revolting. They shot down Boehner's "Plan B". None other than Justin The-Effin-Man Amash led the opposition.

I hope this is indeed the beginning of the end for Boehner.


http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/re...Page2.html

This may very well be the end of Boehner, but it's also the end of the GOP as currently constituted. There are already voices in the Republican party calling on the more moderate wing to leave the party. You may get your pure party, but it won't be one that wields any power at all.

I think it is probably time for the republican party as currently constituted to end. It has shown itself totally incapable and inept. It depends on an untenable alliance of libertarians and theocrats. Given that under Obama, Reid, and Pelosi, the democrats have emasculated, if not purged, their moderates, it would seem that there is potential for a centrist coalition to develop, if only there were a way to start the process. Let the theocrats have the GOP and let the socialists/communists have the democrats. Let the fiscally conservatives/social moderates, who supposedly make up 55-60% of Americans, join hands across current party divides. In the short run, it will probably hand a few elections to the democrats. But when we run out of somebody else's money, democrats won't be any more electable than Herbert Hoover. At that point we will need a better alternative than republicans are providing.
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(12-22-2012 08:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(12-22-2012 07:05 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  
(12-22-2012 10:30 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  The conservative and liberty wings are revolting. They shot down Boehner's "Plan B". None other than Justin The-Effin-Man Amash led the opposition.

I hope this is indeed the beginning of the end for Boehner.


http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/re...Page2.html

This may very well be the end of Boehner, but it's also the end of the GOP as currently constituted. There are already voices in the Republican party calling on the more moderate wing to leave the party. You may get your pure party, but it won't be one that wields any power at all.

I think it is probably time for the republican party as currently constituted to end. It has shown itself totally incapable and inept. It depends on an untenable alliance of libertarians and theocrats. Given that under Obama, Reid, and Pelosi, the democrats have emasculated, if not purged, their moderates, it would seem that there is potential for a centrist coalition to develop, if only there were a way to start the process. Let the theocrats have the GOP and let the socialists/communists have the democrats. Let the fiscally conservatives/social moderates, who supposedly make up 55-60% of Americans, join hands across current party divides. In the short run, it will probably hand a few elections to the democrats. But when we run out of somebody else's money, democrats won't be any more electable than Herbert Hoover. At that point we will need a better alternative than republicans are providing.

Third parties don't work in this country with our winner-take-all elections. If the Republican Party falls off the national map then the United States will become a virtual one-party state until a new party can challenge it. We have "broad" coalition parties exactly because third parties have no shot in this country. You either find a place in one of the two parties or your issues are sidelined.

The Dems are doing a much better job keeping their far left elements in line because most leftists are satisfied with empty platitudes. These people are more interested in seeming to do something, even if the results are nothing at all or not what they thought it would be. The Reps don't have that same luxury because their far right components are more interested in the substance of their concerns, and are much more public about their internal disputes with the party leadership.

In reality the GOP is operating more like a traditional "American" political party, hashing their internal issues out in public. The problem is that the far right won't tow the line when election time comes, and uses the increased public spotlight during elections to try to get more from the party. The GOP, like the Dems, will only throw their far ends "bones" when its safe to do so. The far right is not willing to wait any more for those chances, the far left is.
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(12-22-2012 08:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(12-22-2012 07:05 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  
(12-22-2012 10:30 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  The conservative and liberty wings are revolting. They shot down Boehner's "Plan B". None other than Justin The-Effin-Man Amash led the opposition.

I hope this is indeed the beginning of the end for Boehner.


http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/re...Page2.html

This may very well be the end of Boehner, but it's also the end of the GOP as currently constituted. There are already voices in the Republican party calling on the more moderate wing to leave the party. You may get your pure party, but it won't be one that wields any power at all.

I think it is probably time for the republican party as currently constituted to end. It has shown itself totally incapable and inept. It depends on an untenable alliance of libertarians and theocrats. Given that under Obama, Reid, and Pelosi, the democrats have emasculated, if not purged, their moderates, it would seem that there is potential for a centrist coalition to develop, if only there were a way to start the process. Let the theocrats have the GOP and let the socialists/communists have the democrats. Let the fiscally conservatives/social moderates, who supposedly make up 55-60% of Americans, join hands across current party divides. In the short run, it will probably hand a few elections to the democrats. But when we run out of somebody else's money, democrats won't be any more electable than Herbert Hoover. At that point we will need a better alternative than republicans are providing.

IMO you are going to see this happen. It might not be this presidential cycle, but it will be the next.

The centrists of both sides are getting tired of the partisan BS that the extreme wings are throwing out, and so are the rest of us.

The history of this country has shown that eventually every political party will be replaced. It might be named the same, but it's ideals will have changed.
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What's going to happen first?:
1.)The Tea Party makes the Republican Party irrelevant or
2.)The Republican Party ditches the Tea Party.
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Either way, the Democrats will run the country into the ground with no convenient scapegoat, and Americans will be ready for an alternative.
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(12-23-2012 09:51 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  What's going to happen first?:
1.)The Tea Party makes the Republican Party irrelevant or
2.)The Republican Party ditches the Tea Party.

Define Tea Party. The liberty elements aren't the problem. The moral majorities hiding under a tri-cornered hat ... they are decidedly part of the problem.
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(12-23-2012 11:11 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(12-23-2012 09:51 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  What's going to happen first?:
1.)The Tea Party makes the Republican Party irrelevant or
2.)The Republican Party ditches the Tea Party.

Define Tea Party. The liberty elements aren't the problem. The moral majorities hiding under a tri-cornered hat ... they are decidedly part of the problem.

Both. The moral majorities and those that want to go to government just to destroy it.
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(12-23-2012 11:21 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  those that want to go to government just to destroy it.

So efficient minimal government is anarchy now?
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(12-23-2012 08:35 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(12-23-2012 11:21 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  those that want to go to government just to destroy it.

So efficient minimal government is anarchy now?

We must feed the Beast.
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(12-23-2012 08:35 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(12-23-2012 11:21 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  those that want to go to government just to destroy it.

So efficient minimal government is anarchy now?

It's radical change.
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"Change"? as in "hope and change"?
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(12-24-2012 06:04 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  It's radical change.


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