(07-15-2020 08:19 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(07-14-2020 04:41 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  So many long posts; primarily from CAA for Lifers like DukeDawg and Nation, filled with words and words and more words

This is very simple - JMU should be playing schools of similar size and resources - not small CAA colleges

Google enrollment Dumbman before you post. While Elon and W&M are small, JMU is not the largest school in the CAA and there are small schools frequently mentioned as potential FBS conference partners on this thread.

Based on enrollment, JMU fits well in the CAA.

NU. 19990
DU. 25595
UD 23774
TU 22284
UNCW 16487
JMU 21227


Coastal 10479
App 19280
Marshall 13321
Ga South 20517
ODU 24932

Well, gosh, using that rationale, we shouldn't go FBS and stay right where we are.
Duke University's undergraduate enrollment is 6,682. I guess that's why we don't usually play against them. Perhaps they should be FCS!!

Can we PLEASE put the enrollment argument to rest?? Enrollment has nothing to do with whether or not a school should or shouldn't be FBS.

What SHOULD be talked about is attendance and fan support (in my opinion). There are way too many FBS schools with very, very low fan support that have no business being FBS. As a result, it hurts the FBS product and there are no ramifications for not doing enough to bring fans into the stadium. The MAC would rather have the media attention of being the only live game on TV to the detriment of its schools and their fans.

(07-15-2020 08:42 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 08:19 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(07-14-2020 04:41 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  So many long posts; primarily from CAA for Lifers like DukeDawg and Nation, filled with words and words and more words

This is very simple - JMU should be playing schools of similar size and resources - not small CAA colleges

Google enrollment Dumbman before you post. While Elon and W&M are small, JMU is not the largest school in the CAA and there are small schools frequently mentioned as potential FBS conference partners on this thread.

Based on enrollment, JMU fits well in the CAA.

NU. 19990
DU. 25595
UD 23774
TU 22284
UNCW 16487
JMU 21227


Coastal 10479
App 19280
Marshall 13321
Ga South 20517
ODU 24932

Well, gosh, using that rationale, we shouldn't go FBS and stay right where we are.
Duke University's undergraduate enrollment is 6,682. I guess that's why we don't usually play against them. Perhaps they should be FCS!!

Can we PLEASE put the enrollment argument to rest?? Enrollment has nothing to do with whether or not a school should or shouldn't be FBS.

What SHOULD be talked about is attendance and fan support (in my opinion). There are way too many FBS schools with very, very low fan support that have no business being FBS. As a result, it hurts the FBS product and there are no ramifications for not doing enough to bring fans into the stadium. The MAC would rather have the media attention of being the only live game on TV to the detriment of its schools and their fans.

I agree 100% with you. FBS should be schools whose fanbase supports the football program at a level that warrants the expenditures for it. There are too many administrators using guarantees from P5 games and other sources of funding to support their football programs. Unfortunately, JMU falls into this category as ticket sales, TV and donations to the Duke Club are not sufficient enough to support FCS or FBS football.

Dukeman was the one who was using enrollment as a measuring stick. VCU and GMU have large enrollments but they don’t have football at all. I was simply pointing out how dumb his point was. Of course, I am use to stupid posts from him as that is his schtick. He loves to throw one liners out there and watch folks react.

(07-15-2020 10:54 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 08:42 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 08:19 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(07-14-2020 04:41 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  So many long posts; primarily from CAA for Lifers like DukeDawg and Nation, filled with words and words and more words

This is very simple - JMU should be playing schools of similar size and resources - not small CAA colleges

Google enrollment Dumbman before you post. While Elon and W&M are small, JMU is not the largest school in the CAA and there are small schools frequently mentioned as potential FBS conference partners on this thread.

Based on enrollment, JMU fits well in the CAA.

NU. 19990
DU. 25595
UD 23774
TU 22284
UNCW 16487
JMU 21227


Coastal 10479
App 19280
Marshall 13321
Ga South 20517
ODU 24932

Well, gosh, using that rationale, we shouldn't go FBS and stay right where we are.
Duke University's undergraduate enrollment is 6,682. I guess that's why we don't usually play against them. Perhaps they should be FCS!!

Can we PLEASE put the enrollment argument to rest?? Enrollment has nothing to do with whether or not a school should or shouldn't be FBS.

What SHOULD be talked about is attendance and fan support (in my opinion). There are way too many FBS schools with very, very low fan support that have no business being FBS. As a result, it hurts the FBS product and there are no ramifications for not doing enough to bring fans into the stadium. The MAC would rather have the media attention of being the only live game on TV to the detriment of its schools and their fans.

I agree 100% with you. FBS should be schools whose fanbase supports the football program at a level that warrants the expenditures for it. There are too many administrators using guarantees from P5 games and other sources of funding to support their football programs. Unfortunately, JMU falls into this category as ticket sales, TV and donations to the Duke Club are not sufficient enough to support FCS or FBS football.

Dukeman was the one who was using enrollment as a measuring stick. VCU and GMU have large enrollments but they don’t have football at all. I was simply pointing out how dumb his point was. Of course, I am use to stupid posts from him as that is his schtick. He loves to throw one liners out there and watch folks react.

I completely understand. I was trying to do the same exact thing. It's been his schtick since the beginning of time and its tiresome.

(07-15-2020 10:54 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  There are too many administrators using guarantees from P5 games and other sources of funding to support their football programs. Unfortunately, JMU falls into this category as ticket sales, TV and donations to the Duke Club are not sufficient enough to support FCS or FBS football.

I suspect you just described 95% of both the G5 and FCS teams. G5 in general are less heavily subsidized than FCS because of higher football revenues. Guarantee games are real revenue. Most FCS teams use them, including those scrimmage level openers that visit BFS.

Are you saying anyone who isn't P5 should just fold or go D2?

(07-15-2020 10:54 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 08:42 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 08:19 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(07-14-2020 04:41 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  So many long posts; primarily from CAA for Lifers like DukeDawg and Nation, filled with words and words and more words

This is very simple - JMU should be playing schools of similar size and resources - not small CAA colleges

Google enrollment Dumbman before you post. While Elon and W&M are small, JMU is not the largest school in the CAA and there are small schools frequently mentioned as potential FBS conference partners on this thread.

Based on enrollment, JMU fits well in the CAA.

NU. 19990
DU. 25595
UD 23774
TU 22284
UNCW 16487
JMU 21227


Coastal 10479
App 19280
Marshall 13321
Ga South 20517
ODU 24932

Well, gosh, using that rationale, we shouldn't go FBS and stay right where we are.
Duke University's undergraduate enrollment is 6,682. I guess that's why we don't usually play against them. Perhaps they should be FCS!!

Can we PLEASE put the enrollment argument to rest?? Enrollment has nothing to do with whether or not a school should or shouldn't be FBS.

What SHOULD be talked about is attendance and fan support (in my opinion). There are way too many FBS schools with very, very low fan support that have no business being FBS. As a result, it hurts the FBS product and there are no ramifications for not doing enough to bring fans into the stadium. The MAC would rather have the media attention of being the only live game on TV to the detriment of its schools and their fans.

I agree 100% with you. FBS should be schools whose fanbase supports the football program at a level that warrants the expenditures for it. There are too many administrators using guarantees from P5 games and other sources of funding to support their football programs. Unfortunately, JMU falls into this category as ticket sales, TV and donations to the Duke Club are not sufficient enough to support FCS or FBS football.

Dukeman was the one who was using enrollment as a measuring stick. VCU and GMU have large enrollments but they don’t have football at all. I was simply pointing out how dumb his point was. Of course, I am use to stupid posts from him as that is his schtick. He loves to throw one liners out there and watch folks react.

the funny part about all this is.....i know Dukeman, as do you. i saw him in Frisco.
It's all just good banter on here, nothing personal.

He's a good dude who bleeds Purple just like we all do. i don't agree with Dukeman, he doesn't agree with me. no big deal.

We all want what's best for JMU and root like hell for Dukes, we just have different views on how to get us there. It's all good !

(07-15-2020 10:54 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  I agree 100% with you. FBS should be schools whose fanbase supports the football program at a level that warrants the expenditures for it. There are too many administrators using guarantees from P5 games and other sources of funding to support their football programs. Unfortunately, JMU falls into this category as ticket sales, TV and donations to the Duke Club are not sufficient enough to support FCS or FBS football.

I see where you are coming from, but you have to take a more holistic view. For instance, Duke U., Kentucky and Kansas are drains as far as football goes - especially Duke and Kansas. Kentucky does fill up its stadium in FB the last 5 years or so. However, they far far FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR make up for that when it comes to what they bring in MBB. People forget sometimes (not necessarily you) there is a LOT of money dished out by the NCAA from its multi-billion dollar contract with CBS regarding March Madness.

Just looking at the ACC, for instance, there are certain schools who bring a bunch in football - Clemson and FSU immediately come to mind. Then, in MBB you've got Duke, Syracuse, UNCheat, and Virginia who are contributing to everyone's bottom line in the conference thanks to their success in the NCAAT. Then, you have to look at what are programs like Georgia Tech (for full disclosure, my alma mater) providing? Not much of anything in FB or MBB. That is, to the conference as a whole. Same for Wake Forest, NC State and Miami. Just a thought...

(07-15-2020 08:19 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(07-14-2020 04:41 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  So many long posts; primarily from CAA for Lifers like DukeDawg and Nation, filled with words and words and more words

This is very simple - JMU should be playing schools of similar size and resources - not small CAA colleges

Google enrollment Dumbman before you post. While Elon and W&M are small, JMU is not the largest school in the CAA and there are small schools frequently mentioned as potential FBS conference partners on this thread.

Based on enrollment, JMU fits well in the CAA.

NU. 19990
DU. 25595
UD 23774
TU 22284
UNCW 16487
JMU 21227


Coastal 10479
App 19280
Marshall 13321
Ga South 20517
ODU 24932

You seem to have left off a few CAA schools...

Richmond - 4k
Elon - 7k
Nova - 7k
WM - 8k
CoC - 10k
Maine - 10k
Albany - 13k
UNH - 15k
Rhody - 18k
Stoney - 26k

certainly not the only variable in this equation, but definitely part of the picture - we are double the size or more of half the league

(07-15-2020 11:06 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 10:54 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 08:42 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 08:19 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(07-14-2020 04:41 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  So many long posts; primarily from CAA for Lifers like DukeDawg and Nation, filled with words and words and more words

This is very simple - JMU should be playing schools of similar size and resources - not small CAA colleges

Google enrollment Dumbman before you post. While Elon and W&M are small, JMU is not the largest school in the CAA and there are small schools frequently mentioned as potential FBS conference partners on this thread.

Based on enrollment, JMU fits well in the CAA.

NU. 19990
DU. 25595
UD 23774
TU 22284
UNCW 16487
JMU 21227


Coastal 10479
App 19280
Marshall 13321
Ga South 20517
ODU 24932

Well, gosh, using that rationale, we shouldn't go FBS and stay right where we are.
Duke University's undergraduate enrollment is 6,682. I guess that's why we don't usually play against them. Perhaps they should be FCS!!

Can we PLEASE put the enrollment argument to rest?? Enrollment has nothing to do with whether or not a school should or shouldn't be FBS.

What SHOULD be talked about is attendance and fan support (in my opinion). There are way too many FBS schools with very, very low fan support that have no business being FBS. As a result, it hurts the FBS product and there are no ramifications for not doing enough to bring fans into the stadium. The MAC would rather have the media attention of being the only live game on TV to the detriment of its schools and their fans.

I agree 100% with you. FBS should be schools whose fanbase supports the football program at a level that warrants the expenditures for it. There are too many administrators using guarantees from P5 games and other sources of funding to support their football programs. Unfortunately, JMU falls into this category as ticket sales, TV and donations to the Duke Club are not sufficient enough to support FCS or FBS football.

Dukeman was the one who was using enrollment as a measuring stick. VCU and GMU have large enrollments but they don’t have football at all. I was simply pointing out how dumb his point was. Of course, I am use to stupid posts from him as that is his schtick. He loves to throw one liners out there and watch folks react.

the funny part about all this is.....i know Dukeman, as do you. i saw him in Frisco.
It's all just good banter on here, nothing personal.

He's a good dude who bleeds Purple just like we all do. i don't agree with Dukeman, he doesn't agree with me. no big deal.

We all want what's best for JMU and root like hell for Dukes, we just have different views on how to get us there. It's all good !

Yep - I share a lot of Dukeman's big picture thoughts, but also disagree with a lot. . I'm certainly glad he is a fellow alum. We have shared plenty of conversations.

I do share the belief that we are at least as qualified for FBS, as more than 1/3 of the schools currently in FBS.

On the flip side, I agree the last 4 years in FCS has not been bad.

Overall - I think it's time for JMU to be with the ODU, Marshall, ECU, Appy State caliber teams where ever that intersection is. I would be far more excited about playing any of them in the Burg than anyone in the FBS - less maybe NDSU. That said, I'm not sure if now if is the time to be patient, or an opportunity to be aggressive. Kinda feeling like patience might be the best play for the covid 19 era, while being very attentive to possible opportunities.

(07-13-2020 09:18 PM)Anders Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 09:10 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  By no means am I saying it's the only thing, but we've had some great transfer QBs. Landers was really the only guy who has played QB in recent years who was not a transfer. That's position is so important. I think UD is a good example of what it's like to have good talent and not have an elite QB. I hope one of our guys steps up and shines if there are even games this year.

I know Schor transferred from Lackawanna but do we really consider him a transfer?
https://jmusports.com/sports/football/roster/bryan-schor/13429

2014 as a Freshman: Played in five games... Went 1-for-2 for seven yards against Elon (Nov. 22)... Named to CAA All-Academic Team.

Prior to JMU: Spent spring of 2014 at Lackawanna College before transferring to JMU.

Not a transfer, per se. He did receive and accept an FBS scholarship to Miami (MAC version), only to have it disappear after a coaching change. He was going to enroll for Spring semester- early enrollment there. At that point, it was too late since he graduated from high school. Thus he went the JuCo route. So his status is an odd one to say the least.

(07-15-2020 11:06 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 10:54 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 08:42 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 08:19 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(07-14-2020 04:41 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  So many long posts; primarily from CAA for Lifers like DukeDawg and Nation, filled with words and words and more words

This is very simple - JMU should be playing schools of similar size and resources - not small CAA colleges

Google enrollment Dumbman before you post. While Elon and W&M are small, JMU is not the largest school in the CAA and there are small schools frequently mentioned as potential FBS conference partners on this thread.

Based on enrollment, JMU fits well in the CAA.

NU. 19990
DU. 25595
UD 23774
TU 22284
UNCW 16487
JMU 21227


Coastal 10479
App 19280
Marshall 13321
Ga South 20517
ODU 24932

Well, gosh, using that rationale, we shouldn't go FBS and stay right where we are.
Duke University's undergraduate enrollment is 6,682. I guess that's why we don't usually play against them. Perhaps they should be FCS!!

Can we PLEASE put the enrollment argument to rest?? Enrollment has nothing to do with whether or not a school should or shouldn't be FBS.

What SHOULD be talked about is attendance and fan support (in my opinion). There are way too many FBS schools with very, very low fan support that have no business being FBS. As a result, it hurts the FBS product and there are no ramifications for not doing enough to bring fans into the stadium. The MAC would rather have the media attention of being the only live game on TV to the detriment of its schools and their fans.

I agree 100% with you. FBS should be schools whose fanbase supports the football program at a level that warrants the expenditures for it. There are too many administrators using guarantees from P5 games and other sources of funding to support their football programs. Unfortunately, JMU falls into this category as ticket sales, TV and donations to the Duke Club are not sufficient enough to support FCS or FBS football.

Dukeman was the one who was using enrollment as a measuring stick. VCU and GMU have large enrollments but they don’t have football at all. I was simply pointing out how dumb his point was. Of course, I am use to stupid posts from him as that is his schtick. He loves to throw one liners out there and watch folks react.

the funny part about all this is.....i know Dukeman, as do you. i saw him in Frisco.
It's all just good banter on here, nothing personal.

He's a good dude who bleeds Purple just like we all do. i don't agree with Dukeman, he doesn't agree with me. no big deal.

We all want what's best for JMU and root like hell for Dukes, we just have different views on how to get us there. It's all good !

Agree with the above. Dukeman is a close friend who many have met, and a solid guy. Also duped (whenever he may be!)

(07-15-2020 07:05 PM)jjthebutcher Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 11:06 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 10:54 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 08:42 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 08:19 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Google enrollment Dumbman before you post. While Elon and W&M are small, JMU is not the largest school in the CAA and there are small schools frequently mentioned as potential FBS conference partners on this thread.

Based on enrollment, JMU fits well in the CAA.

NU. 19990
DU. 25595
UD 23774
TU 22284
UNCW 16487
JMU 21227


Coastal 10479
App 19280
Marshall 13321
Ga South 20517
ODU 24932

Well, gosh, using that rationale, we shouldn't go FBS and stay right where we are.
Duke University's undergraduate enrollment is 6,682. I guess that's why we don't usually play against them. Perhaps they should be FCS!!

Can we PLEASE put the enrollment argument to rest?? Enrollment has nothing to do with whether or not a school should or shouldn't be FBS.

What SHOULD be talked about is attendance and fan support (in my opinion). There are way too many FBS schools with very, very low fan support that have no business being FBS. As a result, it hurts the FBS product and there are no ramifications for not doing enough to bring fans into the stadium. The MAC would rather have the media attention of being the only live game on TV to the detriment of its schools and their fans.

I agree 100% with you. FBS should be schools whose fanbase supports the football program at a level that warrants the expenditures for it. There are too many administrators using guarantees from P5 games and other sources of funding to support their football programs. Unfortunately, JMU falls into this category as ticket sales, TV and donations to the Duke Club are not sufficient enough to support FCS or FBS football.

Dukeman was the one who was using enrollment as a measuring stick. VCU and GMU have large enrollments but they don’t have football at all. I was simply pointing out how dumb his point was. Of course, I am use to stupid posts from him as that is his schtick. He loves to throw one liners out there and watch folks react.

the funny part about all this is.....i know Dukeman, as do you. i saw him in Frisco.
It's all just good banter on here, nothing personal.

He's a good dude who bleeds Purple just like we all do. i don't agree with Dukeman, he doesn't agree with me. no big deal.

We all want what's best for JMU and root like hell for Dukes, we just have different views on how to get us there. It's all good !

Agree with the above. Dukeman is a close friend who many have met, and a solid guy. Also duped (whenever he may be!)

Whatever happened to him?

(07-15-2020 11:06 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 10:54 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 08:42 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 08:19 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(07-14-2020 04:41 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  So many long posts; primarily from CAA for Lifers like DukeDawg and Nation, filled with words and words and more words

This is very simple - JMU should be playing schools of similar size and resources - not small CAA colleges

Google enrollment Dumbman before you post. While Elon and W&M are small, JMU is not the largest school in the CAA and there are small schools frequently mentioned as potential FBS conference partners on this thread.

Based on enrollment, JMU fits well in the CAA.

NU. 19990
DU. 25595
UD 23774
TU 22284
UNCW 16487
JMU 21227


Coastal 10479
App 19280
Marshall 13321
Ga South 20517
ODU 24932

Well, gosh, using that rationale, we shouldn't go FBS and stay right where we are.
Duke University's undergraduate enrollment is 6,682. I guess that's why we don't usually play against them. Perhaps they should be FCS!!

Can we PLEASE put the enrollment argument to rest?? Enrollment has nothing to do with whether or not a school should or shouldn't be FBS.

What SHOULD be talked about is attendance and fan support (in my opinion). There are way too many FBS schools with very, very low fan support that have no business being FBS. As a result, it hurts the FBS product and there are no ramifications for not doing enough to bring fans into the stadium. The MAC would rather have the media attention of being the only live game on TV to the detriment of its schools and their fans.

I agree 100% with you. FBS should be schools whose fanbase supports the football program at a level that warrants the expenditures for it. There are too many administrators using guarantees from P5 games and other sources of funding to support their football programs. Unfortunately, JMU falls into this category as ticket sales, TV and donations to the Duke Club are not sufficient enough to support FCS or FBS football.

Dukeman was the one who was using enrollment as a measuring stick. VCU and GMU have large enrollments but they don’t have football at all. I was simply pointing out how dumb his point was. Of course, I am use to stupid posts from him as that is his schtick. He loves to throw one liners out there and watch folks react.

the funny part about all this is.....i know Dukeman, as do you. i saw him in Frisco.
It's all just good banter on here, nothing personal.

He's a good dude who bleeds Purple just like we all do. i don't agree with Dukeman, he doesn't agree with me. no big deal.

We all want what's best for JMU and root like hell for Dukes, we just have different views on how to get us there. It's all good !

We are close friends. I have stayed in his home. We spoke on the phone a few weeks ago. If he wasn’t a good friend, I would not call him dumb. He laughs at my post.

(07-15-2020 11:04 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 10:54 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  There are too many administrators using guarantees from P5 games and other sources of funding to support their football programs. Unfortunately, JMU falls into this category as ticket sales, TV and donations to the Duke Club are not sufficient enough to support FCS or FBS football.

I suspect you just described 95% of both the G5 and FCS teams. G5 in general are less heavily subsidized than FCS because of higher football revenues. Guarantee games are real revenue. Most FCS teams use them, including those scrimmage level openers that visit BFS.

Are you saying anyone who isn't P5 should just fold or go D2?

No, I am not saying that. I am saying that the moniker of FBS doesn’t mean the football program is legitimate. There are some FBS schools that should drop to FCS though based on attendance and their ability to compete.

(07-15-2020 11:40 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 08:19 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(07-14-2020 04:41 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  So many long posts; primarily from CAA for Lifers like DukeDawg and Nation, filled with words and words and more words

This is very simple - JMU should be playing schools of similar size and resources - not small CAA colleges

Google enrollment Dumbman before you post. While Elon and W&M are small, JMU is not the largest school in the CAA and there are small schools frequently mentioned as potential FBS conference partners on this thread.

Based on enrollment, JMU fits well in the CAA.

NU. 19990
DU. 25595
UD 23774
TU 22284
UNCW 16487
JMU 21227


Coastal 10479
App 19280
Marshall 13321
Ga South 20517
ODU 24932

You seem to have left off a few CAA schools...

Richmond - 4k
Elon - 7k
Nova - 7k
WM - 8k
CoC - 10k
Maine - 10k
Albany - 13k
UNH - 15k
Rhody - 18k
Stoney - 26k

certainly not the only variable in this equation, but definitely part of the picture - we are double the size or more of half the league

I intentionally did not check the enrollment of every school because I didn’t feel it was necessary to do so as my point was made. I did mention Elon and W&M as small schools in my post. I also only included all sports CAA schools. I don’t consider football only conference partners as conference schools but since FBS only applies to football, I probably should.

(07-15-2020 09:02 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 11:04 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 10:54 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  There are too many administrators using guarantees from P5 games and other sources of funding to support their football programs. Unfortunately, JMU falls into this category as ticket sales, TV and donations to the Duke Club are not sufficient enough to support FCS or FBS football.

I suspect you just described 95% of both the G5 and FCS teams. G5 in general are less heavily subsidized than FCS because of higher football revenues. Guarantee games are real revenue. Most FCS teams use them, including those scrimmage level openers that visit BFS.

Are you saying anyone who isn't P5 should just fold or go D2?

No, I am not saying that. I am saying that the moniker of FBS doesn’t mean the football program is legitimate. There are some FBS schools that should drop to FCS though based on attendance and their ability to compete.

I know you weren’t trying to be deceptive, but I had no clue that this was your point based on that paragraph above.

(07-15-2020 07:59 PM)olddawg Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 07:05 PM)jjthebutcher Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 11:06 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 10:54 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 08:42 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  Well, gosh, using that rationale, we shouldn't go FBS and stay right where we are.
Duke University's undergraduate enrollment is 6,682. I guess that's why we don't usually play against them. Perhaps they should be FCS!!

Can we PLEASE put the enrollment argument to rest?? Enrollment has nothing to do with whether or not a school should or shouldn't be FBS.

What SHOULD be talked about is attendance and fan support (in my opinion). There are way too many FBS schools with very, very low fan support that have no business being FBS. As a result, it hurts the FBS product and there are no ramifications for not doing enough to bring fans into the stadium. The MAC would rather have the media attention of being the only live game on TV to the detriment of its schools and their fans.

I agree 100% with you. FBS should be schools whose fanbase supports the football program at a level that warrants the expenditures for it. There are too many administrators using guarantees from P5 games and other sources of funding to support their football programs. Unfortunately, JMU falls into this category as ticket sales, TV and donations to the Duke Club are not sufficient enough to support FCS or FBS football.

Dukeman was the one who was using enrollment as a measuring stick. VCU and GMU have large enrollments but they don’t have football at all. I was simply pointing out how dumb his point was. Of course, I am use to stupid posts from him as that is his schtick. He loves to throw one liners out there and watch folks react.

the funny part about all this is.....i know Dukeman, as do you. i saw him in Frisco.
It's all just good banter on here, nothing personal.

He's a good dude who bleeds Purple just like we all do. i don't agree with Dukeman, he doesn't agree with me. no big deal.

We all want what's best for JMU and root like hell for Dukes, we just have different views on how to get us there. It's all good !

Agree with the above. Dukeman is a close friend who many have met, and a solid guy. Also duped (whenever he may be!)

Whatever happened to him?

He is still around doing interesting things... I check in on him!

(07-15-2020 09:17 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 09:02 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 11:04 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 10:54 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  There are too many administrators using guarantees from P5 games and other sources of funding to support their football programs. Unfortunately, JMU falls into this category as ticket sales, TV and donations to the Duke Club are not sufficient enough to support FCS or FBS football.

I suspect you just described 95% of both the G5 and FCS teams. G5 in general are less heavily subsidized than FCS because of higher football revenues. Guarantee games are real revenue. Most FCS teams use them, including those scrimmage level openers that visit BFS.

Are you saying anyone who isn't P5 should just fold or go D2?

No, I am not saying that. I am saying that the moniker of FBS doesn’t mean the football program is legitimate. There are some FBS schools that should drop to FCS though based on attendance and their ability to compete.

I know you weren’t trying to be deceptive, but I had no clue that this was your point based on that paragraph above.

For the record, I am never trying to be deceptive.

As far as the posts go, look at them in the context of flow of a conversation.

JMU looks and acts like an FBS school even though student fees provide significant funding. Some FBS schools have little to almost no interest in their football programs. Game days are nothing what we experience on campus at JMU.

Interest in football at JMU wasn’t always what it is now. It has grown exponentially over the last 15 years. I feel some FBS schools are looking for this type of growth and are taking the build it and they will come approach. The problem is “they” are not coming.

(07-15-2020 10:14 PM)jjthebutcher Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 07:59 PM)olddawg Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 07:05 PM)jjthebutcher Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 11:06 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 10:54 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  I agree 100% with you. FBS should be schools whose fanbase supports the football program at a level that warrants the expenditures for it. There are too many administrators using guarantees from P5 games and other sources of funding to support their football programs. Unfortunately, JMU falls into this category as ticket sales, TV and donations to the Duke Club are not sufficient enough to support FCS or FBS football.

Dukeman was the one who was using enrollment as a measuring stick. VCU and GMU have large enrollments but they don’t have football at all. I was simply pointing out how dumb his point was. Of course, I am use to stupid posts from him as that is his schtick. He loves to throw one liners out there and watch folks react.

the funny part about all this is.....i know Dukeman, as do you. i saw him in Frisco.
It's all just good banter on here, nothing personal.

He's a good dude who bleeds Purple just like we all do. i don't agree with Dukeman, he doesn't agree with me. no big deal.

We all want what's best for JMU and root like hell for Dukes, we just have different views on how to get us there. It's all good !

Agree with the above. Dukeman is a close friend who many have met, and a solid guy. Also duped (whenever he may be!)

Whatever happened to him?

He is still around doing interesting things... I check in on him!

Send my condolences to him...Larry Hunter passed away in 2018. I think Duped may have never recovered from us signing Keener instead of Hunter.

(07-15-2020 11:43 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 09:17 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 09:02 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 11:04 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 10:54 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  There are too many administrators using guarantees from P5 games and other sources of funding to support their football programs. Unfortunately, JMU falls into this category as ticket sales, TV and donations to the Duke Club are not sufficient enough to support FCS or FBS football.

I suspect you just described 95% of both the G5 and FCS teams. G5 in general are less heavily subsidized than FCS because of higher football revenues. Guarantee games are real revenue. Most FCS teams use them, including those scrimmage level openers that visit BFS.

Are you saying anyone who isn't P5 should just fold or go D2?

No, I am not saying that. I am saying that the moniker of FBS doesn’t mean the football program is legitimate. There are some FBS schools that should drop to FCS though based on attendance and their ability to compete.

I know you weren’t trying to be deceptive, but I had no clue that this was your point based on that paragraph above.

For the record, I am never trying to be deceptive.

As far as the posts go, look at them in the context of flow of a conversation.

JMU looks and acts like an FBS school even though student fees provide significant funding. Some FBS schools have little to almost no interest in their football programs. Game days are nothing what we experience on campus at JMU.

Interest in football at JMU wasn’t always what it is now. It has grown exponentially over the last 15 years. I feel some FBS schools are looking for this type of growth and are taking the build it and they will come approach. The problem is “they” are not coming.

I understand the point now, but even looking back now with that understanding, it’s not that apparent to me. That “deceptive” comment wasn’t a dig, just felt like clarification helped since I’m constantly getting blowback for unintended perceived insinuations on here. (A lot of people here must deal with constant passive aggressive conversations. That’s how it seems at least.)

So back on topic. If we were to jump to FBS now, not in a make-believe conference, but one of the three that seems possible today, would we be like the other G5’s? I’m struggling to understand the purpose of the comparison. Is it to say that FCS is good for us because we have fans & can subsidize more to have a larger budget?