(09-14-2012 08:26 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It's called blowback boys and EVERYTHING YOU ARE SEEING HERE TODAY started with our ill-advised invasion of Iraq. Think for fckin once! You have a brain.... USE IT!

Are you drunk again?

(09-14-2012 08:26 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  ]It's called blowback boys and EVERYTHING YOU ARE SEEING HERE TODAY started with our ill-advised invasion of Iraq. Think for fckin once! You have a brain.... USE IT!

It started a long time before then.

THEY BRAGGED AFTER THE INVASION OF IRAQ THAT DEMOCRACY WOULD SPREAD THROUGH THE MID EAST!!!!!!! Like A WILDFIRE IN DRY PRAIRIE GRASS!!!!!!! GUESS WHAT????? IT HAS WORKED!!!!!!!! AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE THE CONSEQUENCES

Blame Obama though. You guy's are great at that. Don't even consider that none of this has ANYTHING to do with our ill advised mis-adventure in Iraq.

(09-14-2012 08:35 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  THEY BRAGGED AFTER THE INVASION OF IRAQ THAT DEMOCRACY WOULD SPREAD THROUGH THE MID EAST!!!!!!! Like A WILDFIRE IN DRY PRAIRIE GRASS!!!!!!! GUESS WHAT????? IT HAS WORKED!!!!!!!! AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE THE CONSEQUENCES

Cool it on the extra-large type.

I've said for years that the idea that bringing democracy to Iraq would somehow stabilize the region was absolutely nuts, because
1) it wouldn't work, and
2) if it did work, we wouldn't like the outcome.

Right now it's not working and we're not liking the outcome.

They bragged that these heavy handed regimes would soon topple because of our invasion of Iraq!!!!!!!! Do I really have to look up quotes from the Neo Cons???? It wasn't THAT long ago???!!!!????!!!!!

It goes back to the Balfour Declaration, Mach. Blame Bush all you want. Granted he deserves his slice of the pie, but it's Obama's pie now.

He lobbied for the gig. He campaigned for it. Hell, he's pouring all his energy into keeping it. He and his sychophants need to quit their bitching and own it.

You're not really goint to blame fomenting revolution in Libya on Bush, are you?

Cool it on the extra-large type.

I've said for years that the idea that bringing democracy to Iraq would somehow stabilize the region was absolutely nuts, because
1) it wouldn't work, and
2) if it did work, we wouldn't like the outcome.

Right now it's not working and we're not liking the outcome.


Where were you on the first 19 posts Owl? It's just INCREDIBLY frustrating.

This quote is what really set me off.

Put his foot down and lay out a clear course of action for America's foreign policy. The world knowing America's stance, whether they like it or not, will calm things a bit. This wishy-washy mess that the current administration calls foreign policy is confusing and creating a power void in the world.

It was like NEEDLES in my eye.

(09-14-2012 08:38 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Blame Obama though. You guy's are great at that. Don't even consider that none of this has ANYTHING to do with our ill advised mis-adventure in Iraq.

Obama is not to blame for starting it, but he is to blame for not changing course.

Go in, kill everybody that needs killing, break everything that needs breaking, make sure they understand that we'll come back and do it again if they don't behave, and leave. Not every situation justifies that kind of response. If it doesn't, then it doesn't justify sending in troops at all. Because killing people and breaking things are the ONLY reasons to send in troops.

its been ill advised from the get go to think that the so called "moderate" muslims would actually stand up and tell the "small %" of "radicals" to get back in their caves.

(09-14-2012 08:42 AM)Smaug Wrote:  It goes back to the Balfour Declaration, Mach.

I'm thinking it predates the Moors. Still, it's absolutely insane to think it "all began" in 2003.

(09-14-2012 08:49 AM)maximus Wrote:  its been ill advised from the get go to think that the so called "moderate" muslims would actually stand up and tell the "small %" of "radicals" to get back their your caves.

I was guilty of thinking (hoping?) that would happen, and it's clearly not.

Hey let's just shake this hornets nest. Spray Napalm all over and then play with matches. Then brag about how our actions will cause other topplings in the Middle East. Hey sounds good.:clap2:

(09-14-2012 09:02 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Hey let's just shake this hornets nest. Spray Napalm all over and then play with matches. Then brag about how our actions will cause other topplings in the Middle East. Hey sounds good.:clap2:

Heh, must be "Embarass myself day" at Mach's school. Somehow 1200 years worth of history just doesn't count.

Oh wait, this is someone who says the same thing about climate change.

Guess I shouldn't be surprised.

I still remember that Christmas vacation on Marco Is. Go out to the pool for my morning coffee and witness Saddam's hanging by (published reports) Muqtada Al Sadr. I mean what a proud moment in American history. Take a bow Merica! That knucklehead was working with Iran and causing us all kinds of crap and that's who we hand over Saddam to? I could go on and on and on. Obama's foreign policy is 10x10 to the power of 127 times Avogadro's number better than Bush and I have to read the first 19 posts. It's insane.

That 1200 years of HISTORY should have told us NEVER to invade Iraq!!! but keep up with the narrative Torch. You're like that 80 year old Japanese soldier who doesn't know WWII ended.

(09-14-2012 08:35 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  THEY BRAGGED AFTER THE INVASION OF IRAQ THAT DEMOCRACY WOULD SPREAD THROUGH THE MID EAST!!!!!!! Like A WILDFIRE IN DRY PRAIRIE GRASS!!!!!!! GUESS WHAT????? IT HAS WORKED!!!!!!!! AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE THE CONSEQUENCES

Hmm, explain the WTC in '93. Explain Beirut. Explain the USS Cole. Explain the Achille Lauro. Come on, sport. If ALLLLLL this sh*t is just because we invaded Iraq, go ahead, explain away. These f'ers are at war with us and anyone else NOT Muslim. YOU f'n use that stupid brain of yours.

That Iraq invasion will HAUNT you for the NEXT 30 years...............................

Nothing..... Nothing Obama could do will be nowhere near as a clsterfck that whole thing was. A POX on your house.

(09-14-2012 08:53 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(09-14-2012 08:42 AM)Smaug Wrote:  It goes back to the Balfour Declaration, Mach.

I'm thinking it predates the Moors. Still, it's absolutely insane to think it "all began" in 2003.

It started when the dirtbags invaded the Holy Land from that sandbox called present-day Saudi Arabia and started killing Jewish and Christian pilgrims.

explain the WTC in '93. Explain Beirut. Explain the USS Cole. Explain the Achille Lauro. Come on, sport.


Hey Sport.................. tell me EXACTLY what Saddam and Iraq had ANYTHING to do with ANYTHING you typed up there Shortbus.