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It is 1979 all over again, America's Global Weakness - Game Changer - SumOfAllFears - 09-13-2012 12:23 PM
America is in retreat.
Out of Iraq, Soon to be out of Afghanistan.
Leading from behind in Libya and Egypt causes co-ordinated terror attack on 911. Protests Used as Cover
Throwing Israel under the bus.
Yemen on fire.
Tunisia riots.
The feckless one, the campaigner in chief is in Nevada and Colorado.
RE: It is 1979 all over again, America's Global Weakness - Game Changer - Motown Bronco - 09-13-2012 12:29 PM
(09-13-2012 12:23 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote: Out of Iraq, Soon to be out of Afghanistan.
This is a bad thing...?
(09-13-2012 12:23 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote: Leading from behind in Libya and Egypt ...
We shouldn't have been "leading" anything to playing a role in deciding their changes in government, from in front, behind or sideways.
RE: It is 1979 all over again, America's Global Weakness - Game Changer - SumOfAllFears - 09-13-2012 12:33 PM
(09-13-2012 12:29 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:(09-13-2012 12:23 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote: Out of Iraq, Soon to be out of Afghanistan.
This is a bad thing...?
(09-13-2012 12:23 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote: Leading from behind in Libya and Egypt ...
We shouldn't have been "leading" anything to playing a role in deciding their changes in government, from in front, behind or sideways.
Let the Muslim Brotherhood, a terror org. lead.
Since we didn't do what was necessary to win, yes we should not be there.
RE: It is 1979 all over again, America's Global Weakness - Game Changer - DrTorch - 09-13-2012 12:39 PM
(09-13-2012 12:29 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:(09-13-2012 12:23 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote: Out of Iraq, Soon to be out of Afghanistan.
This is a bad thing...?
Agreed, that seems like a good thing.
Quote:[/quote](09-13-2012 12:23 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote: Leading from behind in Libya and Egypt ...
We shouldn't have been "leading" anything to playing a role in deciding their changes in government, from in front, behind or sideways.
Agreed. Although I think TR's version of diplomacy should be what the US is known for.
RE: It is 1979 all over again, America's Global Weakness - Game Changer - Hambone10 - 09-13-2012 12:59 PM
It certainly doesn't speak well for Obama's promise to improve our reputation overseas.
RE: It is 1979 all over again, America's Global Weakness - Game Changer - No Bull - 09-13-2012 01:16 PM
(09-13-2012 12:59 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: It certainly doesn't speak well for Obama's promise to improve our reputation overseas.
maybe if he parts the water and walks over to Libya he will improve our image abroad.
RE: It is 1979 all over again, America's Global Weakness - Game Changer - SumOfAllFears - 09-13-2012 01:35 PM
Gasoline prices will soar. Obama cheers his policies are working.
RE: It is 1979 all over again, America's Global Weakness - Game Changer - DFWMINER - 09-13-2012 02:10 PM
Sure does feel like 1979 in a lot of different ways. Hope America can get back on track after the next election.
RE: It is 1979 all over again, America's Global Weakness - Game Changer - dbackjon - 09-13-2012 02:12 PM
What do you suggest a President Romney do? Or what would a President MCCain ahve done?
RE: It is 1979 all over again, America's Global Weakness - Game Changer - SumOfAllFears - 09-13-2012 02:35 PM
(09-13-2012 02:12 PM)dbackjon Wrote: What do you suggest a President Romney do? Or what would a President MCCain ahve done?
You are suggesting the leader of the free world can do nothin? O of course will lead from behind.
RE: It is 1979 all over again, America's Global Weakness - Game Changer - Hambone10 - 09-13-2012 02:49 PM
(09-13-2012 02:12 PM)dbackjon Wrote: What do you suggest a President Romney do? Or what would a President MCCain ahve done?
I suggest President Romney support development of ALL of our Natural resources, including coal, nat gas and oil, including ANWR. Not saying they should abandon safeguards by ANY means, but the risk to the environment is nothing compared to the risk to American lives, plus the cost of protecting all of these interests. Besides, we could then continue to vicariously support Israel by selling them weapons, and yet back out of the region and let them handle themselves. COULD it escalate with the Russians selling the Arabs weapons? Of course. It probably will. I don't THINK the Russians would sell them technology to attack outside the region, for their OWN protection. Let Israel and Iran go through a mini cold war as we did. The production here won't come on line immediately, but between places like Canada and Mexico, plus the National Reserves etc etc, we can certainly start a planned exit from the region.
RE: It is 1979 all over again, America's Global Weakness - Game Changer - 200yrs2late - 09-13-2012 03:04 PM
(09-13-2012 02:12 PM)dbackjon Wrote: What do you suggest a President Romney do? Or what would a President MCCain ahve done?
Step 1. Put his foot down and lay out a clear course of action for America's foreign policy. The world knowing America's stance, whether they like it or not, will calm things a bit. This wishy-washy mess that the current administration calls foreign policy is confusing and creating a power void in the world.
For example, Libya and Eqypt, I didn't like the US meddling in their internal affairs, especially considering the region was somewhat stable at the time. However, the precedent was set that Obama would 'encourage' regime changes. Iran and Syria have similar situations arise and Obama is strangely silent. Iran squashes a protest, Syria is falling into civil war.
The Muslim Brotherhood is seeking to fill that power void left by the US by creating alliances among countries like Egypt and Iran. Russia is also wanting to fill the void by undermining UN sanctions, scaling up talks of nuclear deterance against the US, and aligning itself once again with countries that have been historically hostile to the US. China, although rather quiet, is undoubtedly engaging in back-room talks with America's enemies, has ramped up its military might using stolen and copied technology and bought massive amount of US debt and real estate.
There isn't any logical way to claim that Obama has improved America's image with his 4 years of apologies and misguided foreign policy. Not only has America's image not been improved, he has left the US weakened in the eyes of our enemies.
Obama and his administration have claimed the war on terror is over, yet on 9/11/12 a consulate in Libya is attacked by a militant group. The entire middle east is proclaiming "We are all Bin Laden" and "Death to America". War on terror over.... Good call.
End of rant.
RE: It is 1979 all over again, America's Global Weakness - Game Changer - UConn-SMU - 09-13-2012 07:24 PM
The Plan for the Middle East:
1) The U.S. pulls out of every country, except Israel.
2) The U.S. cuts off all financial aid.
3) The U.S. nukes any country that attacks Israel.
4) The U.S. tells the Muslim world that we'll get back with them when they leave the 8th century and join the rest of the planet in the 21st century.
It's simple, straightforward, and even the animals in the Middle East can understand it.
RE: It is 1979 all over again, America's Global Weakness - Game Changer - DrTorch - 09-13-2012 08:12 PM
(09-13-2012 02:12 PM)dbackjon Wrote: What do you suggest a President Romney do? Or what would a President MCCain ahve done?
Translation: There is no way to spin that Obama is proven to be a complete failure.
RE: It is 1979 all over again, America's Global Weakness - Game Changer - smn1256 - 09-13-2012 08:17 PM
(09-13-2012 08:12 PM)DrTorch Wrote:(09-13-2012 02:12 PM)dbackjon Wrote: What do you suggest a President Romney do? Or what would a President MCCain ahve done?
Translation: There is no way to spin that Obama is proven to be a complete failure.
Yet almost 50% of this country would vote for him again. Depressing.
RE: It is 1979 all over again, America's Global Weakness - Game Changer - DrTorch - 09-13-2012 08:42 PM
(09-13-2012 08:17 PM)smn1256 Wrote:(09-13-2012 08:12 PM)DrTorch Wrote:(09-13-2012 02:12 PM)dbackjon Wrote: What do you suggest a President Romney do? Or what would a President MCCain ahve done?
Translation: There is no way to spin that Obama is proven to be a complete failure.
Yet almost 50% of this country would vote for him again. Depressing.
The inertia from a dishonest media is very difficult to overcome, especially when people have been dumbed down by the public schools, and many are on the gov't dole.
People want to believe in the progressive fairy tale. That makes it an easy sell.
RE: It is 1979 all over again, America's Global Weakness - Game Changer - 200yrs2late - 09-13-2012 08:42 PM
(09-13-2012 08:17 PM)smn1256 Wrote:(09-13-2012 08:12 PM)DrTorch Wrote:(09-13-2012 02:12 PM)dbackjon Wrote: What do you suggest a President Romney do? Or what would a President MCCain ahve done?
Translation: There is no way to spin that Obama is proven to be a complete failure.
Yet almost 50% of this country would vote for him again. Depressing.
Well, there's 50% that don't pay taxes and then all the so called enlightened liberals that who only give a damn about social justice. Not really hard to believe there are so many idiots that would vote for him.
RE: It is 1979 all over again, America's Global Weakness - Game Changer - SumOfAllFears - 09-13-2012 09:53 PM
What you think about this salutation? You kill 4 of ours, we kill 4000 of yours.
RE: It is 1979 all over again, America's Global Weakness - Game Changer - DrTorch - 09-14-2012 06:48 AM
(09-13-2012 09:53 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote: What you think about this salutation? You kill 4 of ours, we kill 4000 of yours.
Start right here in the US w/ CAIR.
RE: It is 1979 all over again, America's Global Weakness - Game Changer - Machiavelli - 09-14-2012 08:26 AM
September 11, 2001 and the George W. Bush administrationAfter the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, U.S. government officials questioned the lack of large-scale American democracy promotion mechanisms in the MENA region, viewing democracy as a means of promoting moderation and stability and preventing terrorism.[35] This resulted in a ramping-up of diplomatic rhetoric on the necessity of democratization and political reform in the Middle East and an increase in funding for democracy promotion in the region. Spreading democracy was also one rationalization used by neo-conservatives and the Bush administration for undertaking the War in Iraq.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_democracy_promotion_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
It's called blowback boys and EVERYTHING YOU ARE SEEING HERE TODAY started with our ill-advised invasion of Iraq. Think for fckin once! You have a brain.... USE IT!