(05-09-2012 06:41 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Congratulations, Chipper.

You have officially moved the "Florida State To The Big 12" meme into the same category as "Notre Dame Will Be Forced To Join A Football Conference". Wishful thinking that will persist no matter how often it is denied.

Even though the president or AD at Notre Dame is seemingly quoted weekly, saying that ND values its football independence and plans to remain independent for a long time to come, the diehards show up every so often to repeat, "Notre Dame Will Be Forced To Join A Football Conference". It wouldn't matter if the Notre Dame SID issued a statement daily reaffirming ND's football independence. As surely as rain will return to Seattle, the folks who are irritated by ND will return to proclaim, "Notre Dame Will Be Forced To Join A Football Conference".

And now, they have officially been joined in the Tinfoil Hat Society by those who proclaim, "Florida State To The Big 12".

By the way, Chip, how is that annual Notre Dame-Texas football game on Thanksgiving Day going? What channel will be televising that game this year?

ND gets $15 million/yr. from NBC. Is it unlikely that ND could/will get more when that contract is renewed or is on the open market?

Can ND bump up that contract to $20-25 million a year?

Another $5-10 million a year is a drop in the bucket to the networks compared to these several hundred million dollar per year conference payouts.

The irony to me is that the ACC and Big 12 have to raid other conferences and then band together to get $17-$20 million a year per school for all sports.

ND gets $15 million a year by itself just for its home football games. I bet it gets a nice boost next go around.

The NBC contract is up in 2015. Does ND and the Big East both negotiate a new (separate) deal with NBC?

(05-09-2012 09:58 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 06:41 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Congratulations, Chipper.

You have officially moved the "Florida State To The Big 12" meme into the same category as "Notre Dame Will Be Forced To Join A Football Conference". Wishful thinking that will persist no matter how often it is denied.

Even though the president or AD at Notre Dame is seemingly quoted weekly, saying that ND values its football independence and plans to remain independent for a long time to come, the diehards show up every so often to repeat, "Notre Dame Will Be Forced To Join A Football Conference". It wouldn't matter if the Notre Dame SID issued a statement daily reaffirming ND's football independence. As surely as rain will return to Seattle, the folks who are irritated by ND will return to proclaim, "Notre Dame Will Be Forced To Join A Football Conference".

And now, they have officially been joined in the Tinfoil Hat Society by those who proclaim, "Florida State To The Big 12".

By the way, Chip, how is that annual Notre Dame-Texas football game on Thanksgiving Day going? What channel will be televising that game this year?

ND gets $15 million/yr. from NBC. Is it unlikely that ND could/will get more when that contract is renewed or is on the open market?

Can ND bump up that contract to $20-25 million a year?

Another $5-10 million a year is a drop in the bucket to the networks compared to these several hundred million dollar per year conference payouts.

The irony to me is that the ACC and Big 12 have to raid other conferences and then band together to get $17-$20 million a year per school for all sports.

ND gets $15 million a year by itself just for its home football games. I bet it gets a nice boost next go around.

The NBC contract is up in 2015. Does ND and the Big East both negotiate a new (separate) deal with NBC?

Sounds logical to me. And good for both parties. FSU to the B12? Maybe. Especially with them in a budget crunch.

ND to any conference? Don't see a need anytime soon. I bet that next TV negotiation will absolutely go ND's way.

(05-09-2012 08:31 PM)justinslot Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 07:32 PM)bk1714 Wrote:  Here's the most interesting paragraph in the story:

I was also told that studies had been done looking at what value might be added if any of the original members of the Big East (Louisville, Cincinnati, etc.) would bring to the Big 12, and that report did not come back favorably, sources said.

Seriously--this is by far the most interesting part of this piece (which is a low bar of course, since the rest of it could have been cut and pasted from every other thread on this message board.) The lead writer for the Austin Pravda just said Louisville wasn't happening!

Just like he said TCU didn't have a chance until two days before they were announced.

(05-09-2012 06:06 PM)justinslot Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 05:52 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 05:38 PM)justinslot Wrote:  Remember: Chip's a propagandist. Whatever he says, it's a story the Great Burnt Orange Satan wants out there.

...and this is basically a proposition from the Great Burnt Orange Satan to FSU. "See all the money you could be making on your own network?!? Totally limited time offer, though. Act now! Surrender your rights to Lord Bevo!"

This. +2. Chip is basically regurgitating the business case for moving that many on this board have made, including those who believe and don't believe it would happen. He offers no evidence that any serious consideration or discussion is going on. Of all people, Chip's sudden interest suggests, as justinslot speculates, that Texas is trying to tease FSU into checking things out "over here."

It's also a pretty naked attempt to get FSU fans to board a similar kind of outrage train that took A&M to the SEC. Of course, if there was an outrage train that had a chance of taking FSU to the _SEC_, that might work. But taking them to the XII? Yeaahhhh, that's not quite the same thing. I can't imagine FSU fans carpetbomb-messaging the FSU higherups with "you had a chance to get us into the Big XII and you blew it???" like the Aggie fans did with the initially missed SEC opportunity.

Except FSU fans and FSU sites have already been posting what Brown said for days, weeks and months.

(05-09-2012 06:09 PM)omniorange Wrote:  Let's keep in mind this is about two entities who are "in a bind", so to speak, UT and FSU. FSU's monetary problems are known but UT's potential monetary problems keep getting glossed over.

In regard to the LHN, this was the last word I could find on it's distribution so far from wiki (so I suppose there could be updated distribution):

The channel has yet to reach agreements with the major providers in Texas: Time Warner Cable, Comcast, Charter Communications, AT&T U-verse, DirecTV and Dish Network. Time Warner Cable has declined to officially comment on carriage talks, but sources familiar with the negotiations said the parties remain far apart. It is unknown where Comcast and Dish Network are at in negotiations.

When asked whether they'll carry the channel, DirecTV issued the following statement: "We've had discussions with ESPN about Longhorn Network, but we have no plans right now to carry it.

We understand Longhorn has other programming that may be of value to a small segment of our customers, but two UT football games do not constitute a network. We're happy to carry those two games under the considerable fees we already pay ESPN for programming that includes the Big 12. Given the dynamic situation in college football conferences today, we'll wait and see how it all shakes out before we decide what we will or won't carry."

That other content was Texas high school football games until both the Big 12 momentarily put a stop to it and then the NCAA ruled on it and killed it.

From the initial announcement of the Longhorn Network, ESPN had made it known that they desired to broadcast up to 18 high school football games per season. The idea caused quite an uproar among the other conference schools due to possible ethical and recruiting violations. During an August 1, 2011, meeting of all Big 12 athletic directors, it was decided that the issue of broadcasting high school football games on the network would be postponed for one year. This would allow time for the NCAA to rule on the matter. On August 11, 2011, the NCAA ruled that no school or conference network would be permitted to broadcast high school sports or any other high school programming, effectively bringing the issue to a close.

When the news of LHN came out around the same time there was discussion of a PTN coming about on top of the already established BTN, there was a Sports Journal or Sports Business article that asked media experts what college related network would not be around in 5 years - the consensus winner was the LHN.

Personally, I think even conference networks could have problems down the road in an a la carte environment, but the government still has way too many fringe networks it wants to keep running content that a la carte would likely make untenable so I don't foresee this for another decade or so.

Interesting times indeed.

Who cares? Texas gets paid and will get paid either way.

(05-09-2012 06:30 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  It's not that simple though. The ACC has potential going forward even if it's underperformed (Virginia Tech has developed a big name, Miami still has one, and most the middle tier is above the Big 12 middle tier). Florida State would have to pay the buyout (would probably be negotiated to less than $20 million, but there are lawyer fees on top of that). They'd have to go through the whole moving process (not something most schools enjoy all else being equal). Then there is the academics and Florida State likes the ACC (only conference besides the Big Ten with an academic component).

Even beyond all that is the fact that if Florida State seriously threatened to leave, the ACC would probably meet most demands (concessions on scheduling, ending equal revenue sharing so that the bigger schools get a little more, etc).

I love the Big 12 as a conference. I'm rooting for it here far more than the ACC. I just think the cards are stacked against a move.

Some good that potential will do in 2028 or whenever, after a decade and a half of trailing all other major conferences in revenue.

ACC schools agreeing to unequal revenue sharing? HAHA. You must not know the ACC. They'd never agree to reduce their payouts to keep FSU around.

(05-09-2012 07:04 PM)XLance Wrote:  Is Notre Dame just waiting for Florida State to leave before the Irish take the 'noles vacant spot?

That's it. Definitely.

(05-09-2012 10:47 PM)Lloyd64 Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 08:31 PM)justinslot Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 07:32 PM)bk1714 Wrote:  Here's the most interesting paragraph in the story:

I was also told that studies had been done looking at what value might be added if any of the original members of the Big East (Louisville, Cincinnati, etc.) would bring to the Big 12, and that report did not come back favorably, sources said.

Seriously--this is by far the most interesting part of this piece (which is a low bar of course, since the rest of it could have been cut and pasted from every other thread on this message board.) The lead writer for the Austin Pravda just said Louisville wasn't happening!

Just like he said TCU didn't have a chance until two days before they were announced.

Actually, he was the only one saying he was hearing TCU for a few days there. I remember because I remember thinking "can't believe I'm hinging my hopes on Chip Brown being right."

As far as this article, the other important thong he says is that all that has to happen to put this to rest is some strong denial from FSU brass. The longer is goes on and the more fan support for a move to the Big 12, the more likely it becomes a possibility.

Brown is like any well sourced reporter- good for info pertaining to his sources and weakens as you get further from them.

He was all over the tcu move before anyone.

(05-09-2012 06:51 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 06:41 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  This is just getting sad.

Or real sad.

Yes. I agree. Sad.

Chip Brown is also on the record (multiple times) stating Mizzou and A&M would never leave the "Big"-12 for the SEC, and that the texoma to Pac-12 was a "done deal" (also multiple times), and then ND to "Big"-12 was a lock. He is merely a mouthpiece for whatever misinformation TU wants out there, nothing more.

(05-10-2012 07:24 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 06:51 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 06:41 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  This is just getting sad.

Or real sad.

Yes. I agree. Sad.

This is becoming eerily like the strange crowd of people that think Elvis and Tupac are still alive....

(05-10-2012 06:57 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 10:47 PM)Lloyd64 Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 08:31 PM)justinslot Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 07:32 PM)bk1714 Wrote:  Here's the most interesting paragraph in the story:

I was also told that studies had been done looking at what value might be added if any of the original members of the Big East (Louisville, Cincinnati, etc.) would bring to the Big 12, and that report did not come back favorably, sources said.

Seriously--this is by far the most interesting part of this piece (which is a low bar of course, since the rest of it could have been cut and pasted from every other thread on this message board.) The lead writer for the Austin Pravda just said Louisville wasn't happening!

Just like he said TCU didn't have a chance until two days before they were announced.

Actually, he was the only one saying he was hearing TCU for a few days there. I remember because I remember thinking "can't believe I'm hinging my hopes on Chip Brown being right."

As far as this article, the other important thong he says is that all that has to happen to put this to rest is some strong denial from FSU brass. The longer is goes on and the more fan support for a move to the Big 12, the more likely it becomes a possibility.

Of course Chip was right about TCU! When negotiations broke down with BYU, it was in TU's interests to get that out there to force BYU's hands, and it didn't work (and BYU should be kicking themselves in the ass right now). Does everyone remember TU did not want another Texas school in the conference? There were very limited options (and still are) to keep the Oklahoma schools appeased.

(05-10-2012 09:35 AM)LSUtah Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 06:57 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 10:47 PM)Lloyd64 Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 08:31 PM)justinslot Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 07:32 PM)bk1714 Wrote:  Here's the most interesting paragraph in the story:

I was also told that studies had been done looking at what value might be added if any of the original members of the Big East (Louisville, Cincinnati, etc.) would bring to the Big 12, and that report did not come back favorably, sources said.

Seriously--this is by far the most interesting part of this piece (which is a low bar of course, since the rest of it could have been cut and pasted from every other thread on this message board.) The lead writer for the Austin Pravda just said Louisville wasn't happening!

Just like he said TCU didn't have a chance until two days before they were announced.

Actually, he was the only one saying he was hearing TCU for a few days there. I remember because I remember thinking "can't believe I'm hinging my hopes on Chip Brown being right."

As far as this article, the other important thong he says is that all that has to happen to put this to rest is some strong denial from FSU brass. The longer is goes on and the more fan support for a move to the Big 12, the more likely it becomes a possibility.

Of course Chip was right about TCU! When negotiations broke down with BYU, it was in TU's interests to get that out there to force BYU's hands, and it didn't work (and BYU should be kicking themselves in the ass right now). Does everyone remember TU did not want another Texas school in the conference? There were very limited options (and still are) to keep the Oklahoma schools appeased.

Regardless, he was pretty much the only one saying it. And he was summarily dismissed for the most part on this board.

That said, his tune is decidedly different on the FSU thing. It is pretty clear from his comments he has no idea what is going on behind the scenes on this one but it guessing like the rest of us.

(05-10-2012 09:31 AM)LSUtah Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 07:24 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 06:51 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(05-09-2012 06:41 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  This is just getting sad.

Or real sad.

Yes. I agree. Sad.

This is becoming eerily like the strange crowd of people that think Elvis and Tupac are still alive....

But I just saw Elvis at Burger King last week...

Ok, first off, it is Chip Brown so yes he is going to have a bias. With that being said it doesn't seem to be pushing anything happening for certain.

The points that he listed about what is irritating FSU fans was right on. I have been lurking at some sites for seminole fans and have been watching long enough to even see some posters start off fully against any move from the ACC to now just wanting to leave the ACC. I think the large majority of them would rather be in the SEC, there is no doubt in that. The problem is if there isnt an opening there then what? Many of those discontent with the situation at FSU are SEC first but if that cannot happen then Big 12 second. They want strong games, they do not want to get screwed over every year by how the ACC schedules FSU, they don't think the money difference can be ignored and no matter how much you demonize Texas they respond every time by pointing to North Carolina.

So mock Chip Brown all you like but I have to think that some of you that are doing such here are not spreading your wings and looking around to see if anything he said is actually true.

I don't know what is going on at the top of the pyramid but what he said about those at the bottom of the pyramid was absolutely true. I have been doing a lot less talking lately and a lot more watching. I am thinking that perhaps some of you should be doing the same.

"I can add to one part of @ChipBrownOB story on FSU/Big12. FSU officials have, at least internally, discussed potential for own TV network" --@DanWetzel

Now, to me, that surprises me, because I don't think FSU has nearly the fanbase inside Florida that Texas does inside Texas. And I thought it was one of the goofier ideas in Chip's pitch.

The lack of Tier 3 rights, lower money and no room for growth make this a must for FSU. The ACC deal is a joke.

(05-10-2012 10:39 AM)Ragu Wrote:  The lack of Tier 3 rights, lower money and no room for growth make this a must for FSU. The ACC deal is a joke.

If FSU feels it has to make a move, it should do what is best for its own program. However, given that the ACC was completely handcuffed by its existing deal, they did very well in their negotiations. By your logic, the SEC deal is a joke as well, and all members of the SEC (like ATM and Mizzou) should be looking to join the B12 to access that better deal.

(05-10-2012 11:17 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 10:39 AM)Ragu Wrote:  The lack of Tier 3 rights, lower money and no room for growth make this a must for FSU. The ACC deal is a joke.

If FSU feels it has to make a move, it should do what is best for its own program. However, given that the ACC was completely handcuffed by its existing deal, they did very well in their negotiations. By your logic, the SEC deal is a joke as well, and all members of the SEC (like ATM and Mizzou) should be looking to join the B12 to access that better deal.

I am going to have to agree. ESPN didn't have do do anything at all. They did and not only that but they put in that 5 year readjustment clause. ESPN did not have to do that either. I really wasn't sure the ACC would get anything from ESPN but they got up to 17 mil and that was pretty much the top end of what anyone thought they might be able to pull off.

I actually think Swofford and crew did everything they possibly could IN THIS NEGOTIATION to try and calm the storm. I do believe in giving credit where credit is due.