05-09-2012, 05:28 PM
05-09-2012, 05:31 PM
(05-09-2012 05:28 PM)Jackson1011 Wrote: [ -> ]http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1363940
Jackson
I'm sure he's just a closet WVU fan making up stuff, right Dr. Yinzer?
05-09-2012, 05:38 PM
Remember: Chip's a propagandist. Whatever he says, it's a story the Great Burnt Orange Satan wants out there.
...and this is basically a proposition from the Great Burnt Orange Satan to FSU. "See all the money you could be making on your own network?!? Totally limited time offer, though. Act now! Surrender your rights to Lord Bevo!"
...and this is basically a proposition from the Great Burnt Orange Satan to FSU. "See all the money you could be making on your own network?!? Totally limited time offer, though. Act now! Surrender your rights to Lord Bevo!"
05-09-2012, 05:50 PM
lol yup. Brown is the orafice of Dodds anyways.
#11 will be Louisville anyways IF the Big12 decides to expand. They haven't even decided on that yet.
#11 will be Louisville anyways IF the Big12 decides to expand. They haven't even decided on that yet.
05-09-2012, 05:52 PM
(05-09-2012 05:38 PM)justinslot Wrote: [ -> ]Remember: Chip's a propagandist. Whatever he says, it's a story the Great Burnt Orange Satan wants out there.
...and this is basically a proposition from the Great Burnt Orange Satan to FSU. "See all the money you could be making on your own network?!? Totally limited time offer, though. Act now! Surrender your rights to Lord Bevo!"
This. +2. Chip is basically regurgitating the business case for moving that many on this board have made, including those who believe and don't believe it would happen. He offers no evidence that any serious consideration or discussion is going on. Of all people, Chip's sudden interest suggests, as justinslot speculates, that Texas is trying to tease FSU into checking things out "over here."
05-09-2012, 06:06 PM
(05-09-2012 05:52 PM)orangefan Wrote: [ -> ](05-09-2012 05:38 PM)justinslot Wrote: [ -> ]Remember: Chip's a propagandist. Whatever he says, it's a story the Great Burnt Orange Satan wants out there.
...and this is basically a proposition from the Great Burnt Orange Satan to FSU. "See all the money you could be making on your own network?!? Totally limited time offer, though. Act now! Surrender your rights to Lord Bevo!"
This. +2. Chip is basically regurgitating the business case for moving that many on this board have made, including those who believe and don't believe it would happen. He offers no evidence that any serious consideration or discussion is going on. Of all people, Chip's sudden interest suggests, as justinslot speculates, that Texas is trying to tease FSU into checking things out "over here."
It's also a pretty naked attempt to get FSU fans to board a similar kind of outrage train that took A&M to the SEC. Of course, if there was an outrage train that had a chance of taking FSU to the _SEC_, that might work. But taking them to the XII? Yeaahhhh, that's not quite the same thing. I can't imagine FSU fans carpetbomb-messaging the FSU higherups with "you had a chance to get us into the Big XII and you blew it???" like the Aggie fans did with the initially missed SEC opportunity.
05-09-2012, 06:09 PM
Let's keep in mind this is about two entities who are "in a bind", so to speak, UT and FSU. FSU's monetary problems are known but UT's potential monetary problems keep getting glossed over.
In regard to the LHN, this was the last word I could find on it's distribution so far from wiki (so I suppose there could be updated distribution):
The channel has yet to reach agreements with the major providers in Texas: Time Warner Cable, Comcast, Charter Communications, AT&T U-verse, DirecTV and Dish Network. Time Warner Cable has declined to officially comment on carriage talks, but sources familiar with the negotiations said the parties remain far apart. It is unknown where Comcast and Dish Network are at in negotiations.
When asked whether they'll carry the channel, DirecTV issued the following statement: "We've had discussions with ESPN about Longhorn Network, but we have no plans right now to carry it.
We understand Longhorn has other programming that may be of value to a small segment of our customers, but two UT football games do not constitute a network. We're happy to carry those two games under the considerable fees we already pay ESPN for programming that includes the Big 12. Given the dynamic situation in college football conferences today, we'll wait and see how it all shakes out before we decide what we will or won't carry."
That other content was Texas high school football games until both the Big 12 momentarily put a stop to it and then the NCAA ruled on it and killed it.
From the initial announcement of the Longhorn Network, ESPN had made it known that they desired to broadcast up to 18 high school football games per season. The idea caused quite an uproar among the other conference schools due to possible ethical and recruiting violations. During an August 1, 2011, meeting of all Big 12 athletic directors, it was decided that the issue of broadcasting high school football games on the network would be postponed for one year. This would allow time for the NCAA to rule on the matter. On August 11, 2011, the NCAA ruled that no school or conference network would be permitted to broadcast high school sports or any other high school programming, effectively bringing the issue to a close.
When the news of LHN came out around the same time there was discussion of a PTN coming about on top of the already established BTN, there was a Sports Journal or Sports Business article that asked media experts what college related network would not be around in 5 years - the consensus winner was the LHN.
Personally, I think even conference networks could have problems down the road in an a la carte environment, but the government still has way too many fringe networks it wants to keep running content that a la carte would likely make untenable so I don't foresee this for another decade or so.
Interesting times indeed.
Cheers,
Neil
In regard to the LHN, this was the last word I could find on it's distribution so far from wiki (so I suppose there could be updated distribution):
The channel has yet to reach agreements with the major providers in Texas: Time Warner Cable, Comcast, Charter Communications, AT&T U-verse, DirecTV and Dish Network. Time Warner Cable has declined to officially comment on carriage talks, but sources familiar with the negotiations said the parties remain far apart. It is unknown where Comcast and Dish Network are at in negotiations.
When asked whether they'll carry the channel, DirecTV issued the following statement: "We've had discussions with ESPN about Longhorn Network, but we have no plans right now to carry it.
We understand Longhorn has other programming that may be of value to a small segment of our customers, but two UT football games do not constitute a network. We're happy to carry those two games under the considerable fees we already pay ESPN for programming that includes the Big 12. Given the dynamic situation in college football conferences today, we'll wait and see how it all shakes out before we decide what we will or won't carry."
That other content was Texas high school football games until both the Big 12 momentarily put a stop to it and then the NCAA ruled on it and killed it.
From the initial announcement of the Longhorn Network, ESPN had made it known that they desired to broadcast up to 18 high school football games per season. The idea caused quite an uproar among the other conference schools due to possible ethical and recruiting violations. During an August 1, 2011, meeting of all Big 12 athletic directors, it was decided that the issue of broadcasting high school football games on the network would be postponed for one year. This would allow time for the NCAA to rule on the matter. On August 11, 2011, the NCAA ruled that no school or conference network would be permitted to broadcast high school sports or any other high school programming, effectively bringing the issue to a close.
When the news of LHN came out around the same time there was discussion of a PTN coming about on top of the already established BTN, there was a Sports Journal or Sports Business article that asked media experts what college related network would not be around in 5 years - the consensus winner was the LHN.
Personally, I think even conference networks could have problems down the road in an a la carte environment, but the government still has way too many fringe networks it wants to keep running content that a la carte would likely make untenable so I don't foresee this for another decade or so.
Interesting times indeed.
Cheers,
Neil
05-09-2012, 06:10 PM
I think Chip is much less a mouthpiece for UT than is usually portrayed. That said, I do think his only advantage over others in realignment is that he has a source in the UT athletic department (a high one). He'll be given some information or learn some from them, but that only helps him with matters directly related to what that source knows.
When the matter is involving decisions at Texas, Chip is ahead of the game (reporting the discussions with the PAC-10 and being the first to report when they were starting to look less likely). When the decision is happening somewhere else (like A&M last year), he's speculating as much as anyone else. I don't think there is anything here besides speculation and partly written because people expect him to write about realignment.
When the matter is involving decisions at Texas, Chip is ahead of the game (reporting the discussions with the PAC-10 and being the first to report when they were starting to look less likely). When the decision is happening somewhere else (like A&M last year), he's speculating as much as anyone else. I don't think there is anything here besides speculation and partly written because people expect him to write about realignment.
05-09-2012, 06:14 PM
The question is simple for FSU:
1. Go to a conference that is pro-football, make more money but not dominate or,
2. Stay in a conference they feel they can dominate and make less money.
1. Go to a conference that is pro-football, make more money but not dominate or,
2. Stay in a conference they feel they can dominate and make less money.
05-09-2012, 06:30 PM
It's not that simple though. The ACC has potential going forward even if it's underperformed (Virginia Tech has developed a big name, Miami still has one, and most the middle tier is above the Big 12 middle tier). Florida State would have to pay the buyout (would probably be negotiated to less than $20 million, but there are lawyer fees on top of that). They'd have to go through the whole moving process (not something most schools enjoy all else being equal). Then there is the academics and Florida State likes the ACC (only conference besides the Big Ten with an academic component).
Even beyond all that is the fact that if Florida State seriously threatened to leave, the ACC would probably meet most demands (concessions on scheduling, ending equal revenue sharing so that the bigger schools get a little more, etc).
I love the Big 12 as a conference. I'm rooting for it here far more than the ACC. I just think the cards are stacked against a move.
Even beyond all that is the fact that if Florida State seriously threatened to leave, the ACC would probably meet most demands (concessions on scheduling, ending equal revenue sharing so that the bigger schools get a little more, etc).
I love the Big 12 as a conference. I'm rooting for it here far more than the ACC. I just think the cards are stacked against a move.
05-09-2012, 06:33 PM
(05-09-2012 06:30 PM)ohio1317 Wrote: [ -> ]It's not that simple though. The ACC has potential going forward even if it's underperformed (Virginia Tech has developed a big name, Miami still has one, and most the middle tier is above the Big 12 middle tier). Florida State would have to pay the buyout (would probably be negotiated to less than $20 million, but there are lawyer fees on top of that). They'd have to go through the whole moving process (not something most schools enjoy all else being equal). Then there is the academics and Florida State likes the ACC (only conference besides the Big Ten with an academic component).The exit fee won't be negotiated down. The B12 had to negotiate their's down because the way it was worded you could argue that it wasn't even valid anymore because they referred to a certain number of years and it was past that time period.
Even beyond all that is the fact that if Florida State seriously threatened to leave, the ACC would probably meet most demands (concessions on scheduling, ending equal revenue sharing so that the bigger schools get a little more, etc).
I love the Big 12 as a conference. I'm rooting for it here far more than the ACC. I just think the cards are stacked against a move.
05-09-2012, 06:41 PM
Congratulations, Chipper.
You have officially moved the "Florida State To The Big 12" meme into the same category as "Notre Dame Will Be Forced To Join A Football Conference". Wishful thinking that will persist no matter how often it is denied.
Even though the president or AD at Notre Dame is seemingly quoted weekly, saying that ND values its football independence and plans to remain independent for a long time to come, the diehards show up every so often to repeat, "Notre Dame Will Be Forced To Join A Football Conference". It wouldn't matter if the Notre Dame SID issued a statement daily reaffirming ND's football independence. As surely as rain will return to Seattle, the folks who are irritated by ND will return to proclaim, "Notre Dame Will Be Forced To Join A Football Conference".
And now, they have officially been joined in the Tinfoil Hat Society by those who proclaim, "Florida State To The Big 12".
By the way, Chip, how is that annual Notre Dame-Texas football game on Thanksgiving Day going? What channel will be televising that game this year?
You have officially moved the "Florida State To The Big 12" meme into the same category as "Notre Dame Will Be Forced To Join A Football Conference". Wishful thinking that will persist no matter how often it is denied.
Even though the president or AD at Notre Dame is seemingly quoted weekly, saying that ND values its football independence and plans to remain independent for a long time to come, the diehards show up every so often to repeat, "Notre Dame Will Be Forced To Join A Football Conference". It wouldn't matter if the Notre Dame SID issued a statement daily reaffirming ND's football independence. As surely as rain will return to Seattle, the folks who are irritated by ND will return to proclaim, "Notre Dame Will Be Forced To Join A Football Conference".
And now, they have officially been joined in the Tinfoil Hat Society by those who proclaim, "Florida State To The Big 12".
By the way, Chip, how is that annual Notre Dame-Texas football game on Thanksgiving Day going? What channel will be televising that game this year?
05-09-2012, 06:41 PM
This is just getting sad.
05-09-2012, 06:51 PM
(05-09-2012 06:41 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote: [ -> ]This is just getting sad.
Or real.
05-09-2012, 06:54 PM
More UT Propaganda coming from this guy. Last year he was saying that Texas would be a great fit in the ACC. The additional money would be minimal after paying a $10 million fee to leave the ACC and factoring in all kinds of crazy travel costs to the likes of Manhattan Kansas and Lubbock Texas for its women volleyball teams. I'm sure Florida State fans would love not being able to drive to any games and having no natural rivalries. The academic department is also going to go for not being associated with the Dukes, UVAs, Wake Forest's of the world. I dont understand why these people want to believe the ACC is so unstable. If they couldnt get a team to leave for the SEC they are not going to get a team to leave for a conference that has just lost 4 teams and was about to collapse last year.
05-09-2012, 07:04 PM
Is Notre Dame just waiting for Florida State to leave before the Irish take the 'noles vacant spot?
05-09-2012, 07:27 PM
The Big 12 now has the smallest footprint by far of the Big 5. They are desperate for big markets and TV sets. FSU would help them immensely with that issue. So it's natural that the UT minister of information is pushing the Big 12 line of "think of the obscene money we may hypothetically in some scenarios based on projections make!"
Money is all the B12 has to offer FSU. Will it be enough to be in a lesser academic league with only one natural rival/team within driving range? Guess we'll find out.
Money is all the B12 has to offer FSU. Will it be enough to be in a lesser academic league with only one natural rival/team within driving range? Guess we'll find out.
05-09-2012, 07:32 PM
Here's the most interesting paragraph in the story:
I was also told that studies had been done looking at what value might be added if any of the original members of the Big East (Louisville, Cincinnati, etc.) would bring to the Big 12, and that report did not come back favorably, sources said.
I was also told that studies had been done looking at what value might be added if any of the original members of the Big East (Louisville, Cincinnati, etc.) would bring to the Big 12, and that report did not come back favorably, sources said.
05-09-2012, 07:38 PM
(05-09-2012 07:32 PM)bk1714 Wrote: [ -> ]Here's the most interesting paragraph in the story:
I was also told that studies had been done looking at what value might be added if any of the original members of the Big East (Louisville, Cincinnati, etc.) would bring to the Big 12, and that report did not come back favorably, sources said.
It would be shocking if they hadn't analyzed expansion.
05-09-2012, 08:31 PM
(05-09-2012 07:32 PM)bk1714 Wrote: [ -> ]Here's the most interesting paragraph in the story:
I was also told that studies had been done looking at what value might be added if any of the original members of the Big East (Louisville, Cincinnati, etc.) would bring to the Big 12, and that report did not come back favorably, sources said.
Seriously--this is by far the most interesting part of this piece (which is a low bar of course, since the rest of it could have been cut and pasted from every other thread on this message board.) The lead writer for the Austin Pravda just said Louisville wasn't happening!