The thing is they've legalized drugs / decriminalized in it other places, we have results out there that already show it reduces crime. Its not like its a mystery.

I'm not sure which humors me more, that someone actually thinks the drug war is worth it, or that someone thinks a better border fence would do anything to stop these guys from getting their drugs.

No different than thinking a better fence would stop illegal immigrants from coming over. Sometimes you just need to think about it logically. If you were born in the shithole that is Mexico, is there a fence in the world that could stop you from getting to this great country of ours? Damn sure isn't one out there that would stop me, can't imagine any of you wouldn't find a way here either. If you were a drug lord who had millions of dollars at stake, is a fence going stop you? Hell no. These are people who get their heads cut off in South America & Mexico over drug money, you think a border patrol officer is going to put fear in to them? Come on. They'll fly it in, ship it in, truck it in, grow it here (hello.. meth labs) somehow drugs will get here.

So those of us who don't use drugs are left holding the bag, spending billions of our hard earned tax money, to stop nothing and create a violent environment that puts us at risk. I just don't know how a fiscal conservative can be for the drug war. Its the most backwards thing of all time.

(12-22-2011 10:03 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  The thing is they've legalized drugs / decriminalized in it other places, we have results out there that already show it reduces crime. Its not like its a mystery.
I'm not sure which humors me more, that someone actually thinks the drug war is worth it, or that someone thinks a better border fence would do anything to stop these guys from getting their drugs.
No different than thinking a better fence would stop illegal immigrants from coming over. Sometimes you just need to think about it logically. If you were born in the shithole that is Mexico, is there a fence in the world that could stop you from getting to this great country of ours? Damn sure isn't one out there that would stop me, can't imagine any of you wouldn't find a way here either. If you were a drug lord who had millions of dollars at stake, is a fence going stop you? Hell no. These are people who get their heads cut off in South America & Mexico over drug money, you think a border patrol officer is going to put fear in to them? Come on. They'll fly it in, ship it in, truck it in, grow it here (hello.. meth labs) somehow drugs will get here.
So those of us who don't use drugs are left holding the bag, spending billions of our hard earned tax money, to stop nothing and create a violent environment that puts us at risk. I just don't know how a fiscal conservative can be for the drug war. Its the most backwards thing of all time.

Absolutely.

(12-22-2011 09:45 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 09:37 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 08:45 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 05:35 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 05:31 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Those are reasons why he should win. Except for the drug war part.

Yes...We need to spend another 400 billion on this. The cops, lawyers and judges need something to do.

I think this is a good question. How will legalizing marijuana stop the drug war or drug violence? People that are high don't rob banks or shoot people...people who want more cocaine/crack/heroin...ETC do. I agree that marijuana should be legalized and regulated but to assume that will end the war on drugs is naive.

We already have evidence that ending prohibitions end violent black market activity. Ill let our own experience with alcohol speak for itself.

I would not at this point legalize any substance but cannabis. Just doing that would decrease the vast majority of the problems and allow law enforcement to concentrate on dangerous substances. We are far from ready for total decriminalization of all substances, but it is undeniable that prohibitions cause dangerous black markets because of the risk involved of bring the product to the consumer. Removal of that risk brings the product into the legitimate marketplace where businessmen assume the risk without violence.

Respectfully I disagree. Pot isn't the problem. Legalizing Pot will do little to reduce the crime rate associated with illegal drugs.

The point is...That while dangerous drugs may cause more associated crime such as theft and robbery(and I don't for a fact know that is true and am taking your word for it), law enforcement is not targeting dangerous drugs. They are targeting cannabis. The statistics show it. In 2009 there were over 850k drug arrests. Cannabis accounted for 51% of the arrests while Cocaine and Heroin were at 17%.

The targeting of cannabis smugglers, growers and users is tying up the assets of law enforcement from addressing the problems associated with dangerous substances and crime surrounding them.

(12-22-2011 10:03 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  The thing is they've legalized drugs / decriminalized in it other places, we have results out there that already show it reduces crime. Its not like its a mystery.

I'm not sure which humors me more, that someone actually thinks the drug war is worth it, or that someone thinks a better border fence would do anything to stop these guys from getting their drugs.

No different than thinking a better fence would stop illegal immigrants from coming over. Sometimes you just need to think about it logically. If you were born in the shithole that is Mexico, is there a fence in the world that could stop you from getting to this great country of ours? Damn sure isn't one out there that would stop me, can't imagine any of you wouldn't find a way here either. If you were a drug lord who had millions of dollars at stake, is a fence going stop you? Hell no. These are people who get their heads cut off in South America & Mexico over drug money, you think a border patrol officer is going to put fear in to them? Come on. They'll fly it in, ship it in, truck it in, grow it here (hello.. meth labs) somehow drugs will get here.

So those of us who don't use drugs are left holding the bag, spending billions of our hard earned tax money, to stop nothing and create a violent environment that puts us at risk. I just don't know how a fiscal conservative can be for the drug war. Its the most backwards thing of all time.

How will legalizing "Hard" drugs solve the problem? I don't think society is capable of handling legalized cocaine/crack/heroin...ETC.

(12-22-2011 10:03 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  The thing is they've legalized drugs / decriminalized in it other places, we have results out there that already show it reduces crime. Its not like its a mystery.

I'm not sure which humors me more, that someone actually thinks the drug war is worth it, or that someone thinks a better border fence would do anything to stop these guys from getting their drugs.

No different than thinking a better fence would stop illegal immigrants from coming over. Sometimes you just need to think about it logically. If you were born in the shithole that is Mexico, is there a fence in the world that could stop you from getting to this great country of ours? Damn sure isn't one out there that would stop me, can't imagine any of you wouldn't find a way here either. If you were a drug lord who had millions of dollars at stake, is a fence going stop you? Hell no. These are people who get their heads cut off in South America & Mexico over drug money, you think a border patrol officer is going to put fear in to them? Come on. They'll fly it in, ship it in, truck it in, grow it here (hello.. meth labs) somehow drugs will get here.

So those of us who don't use drugs are left holding the bag, spending billions of our hard earned tax money, to stop nothing and create a violent environment that puts us at risk. I just don't know how a fiscal conservative can be for the drug war. Its the most backwards thing of all time.

Well said sir....+1

(12-22-2011 10:17 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 10:03 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  The thing is they've legalized drugs / decriminalized in it other places, we have results out there that already show it reduces crime. Its not like its a mystery.

I'm not sure which humors me more, that someone actually thinks the drug war is worth it, or that someone thinks a better border fence would do anything to stop these guys from getting their drugs.

No different than thinking a better fence would stop illegal immigrants from coming over. Sometimes you just need to think about it logically. If you were born in the shithole that is Mexico, is there a fence in the world that could stop you from getting to this great country of ours? Damn sure isn't one out there that would stop me, can't imagine any of you wouldn't find a way here either. If you were a drug lord who had millions of dollars at stake, is a fence going stop you? Hell no. These are people who get their heads cut off in South America & Mexico over drug money, you think a border patrol officer is going to put fear in to them? Come on. They'll fly it in, ship it in, truck it in, grow it here (hello.. meth labs) somehow drugs will get here.

So those of us who don't use drugs are left holding the bag, spending billions of our hard earned tax money, to stop nothing and create a violent environment that puts us at risk. I just don't know how a fiscal conservative can be for the drug war. Its the most backwards thing of all time.

How will legalizing "Hard" drugs solve the problem? I don't think society is capable of handling legalized cocaine/crack/heroin...ETC.

No one says it should be sold legally on the street. I think we all agree that even with cannabis it would need to be controlled in a similar fashion as that of hard liquor. In the case of coke and heroin there would need to be medical supervision and more control. With control would come the added positive of a safer product for consumption. Less overdose deaths would occur due to the quality control of a legitimate marketplace.

It is the RISK that causes the violence. We don't have violence when it concerns the legitimate sale of any product in the free market. We always have violence when it comes to black market sales of prohibited or counterfeited products. Removal of the risk..removes the violence.

Would there still be a small black market?...yes. We have a few moonshiners around..but..they are not a cause for major alarm.

(12-22-2011 10:35 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 10:17 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 10:03 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  The thing is they've legalized drugs / decriminalized in it other places, we have results out there that already show it reduces crime. Its not like its a mystery.

I'm not sure which humors me more, that someone actually thinks the drug war is worth it, or that someone thinks a better border fence would do anything to stop these guys from getting their drugs.

No different than thinking a better fence would stop illegal immigrants from coming over. Sometimes you just need to think about it logically. If you were born in the shithole that is Mexico, is there a fence in the world that could stop you from getting to this great country of ours? Damn sure isn't one out there that would stop me, can't imagine any of you wouldn't find a way here either. If you were a drug lord who had millions of dollars at stake, is a fence going stop you? Hell no. These are people who get their heads cut off in South America & Mexico over drug money, you think a border patrol officer is going to put fear in to them? Come on. They'll fly it in, ship it in, truck it in, grow it here (hello.. meth labs) somehow drugs will get here.

So those of us who don't use drugs are left holding the bag, spending billions of our hard earned tax money, to stop nothing and create a violent environment that puts us at risk. I just don't know how a fiscal conservative can be for the drug war. Its the most backwards thing of all time.

How will legalizing "Hard" drugs solve the problem? I don't think society is capable of handling legalized cocaine/crack/heroin...ETC.

No one says it should be sold legally on the street. I think we all agree that even with cannabis it would need to be controlled in a similar fashion as that of hard liquor. In the case of coke and heroin there would need to be medical supervision and more control. With control would come the added positive of a safer product for consumption. Less overdose deaths would occur due to the quality control of a legitimate marketplace.

It is the RISK that causes the violence. We don't have violence when it concerns the legitimate sale of any product in the free market. We always have violence when it comes to black market sales of prohibited or counterfeited products. Removal of the risk..removes the violence.

Would there still be a small black market?...yes. We have a few moonshiners around..but..they are not a cause for major alarm.

The "Risk" isn't what concerns me. Its the social impact.

(12-22-2011 10:39 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 10:35 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 10:17 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 10:03 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  The thing is they've legalized drugs / decriminalized in it other places, we have results out there that already show it reduces crime. Its not like its a mystery.

I'm not sure which humors me more, that someone actually thinks the drug war is worth it, or that someone thinks a better border fence would do anything to stop these guys from getting their drugs.

No different than thinking a better fence would stop illegal immigrants from coming over. Sometimes you just need to think about it logically. If you were born in the shithole that is Mexico, is there a fence in the world that could stop you from getting to this great country of ours? Damn sure isn't one out there that would stop me, can't imagine any of you wouldn't find a way here either. If you were a drug lord who had millions of dollars at stake, is a fence going stop you? Hell no. These are people who get their heads cut off in South America & Mexico over drug money, you think a border patrol officer is going to put fear in to them? Come on. They'll fly it in, ship it in, truck it in, grow it here (hello.. meth labs) somehow drugs will get here.

So those of us who don't use drugs are left holding the bag, spending billions of our hard earned tax money, to stop nothing and create a violent environment that puts us at risk. I just don't know how a fiscal conservative can be for the drug war. Its the most backwards thing of all time.

How will legalizing "Hard" drugs solve the problem? I don't think society is capable of handling legalized cocaine/crack/heroin...ETC.

No one says it should be sold legally on the street. I think we all agree that even with cannabis it would need to be controlled in a similar fashion as that of hard liquor. In the case of coke and heroin there would need to be medical supervision and more control. With control would come the added positive of a safer product for consumption. Less overdose deaths would occur due to the quality control of a legitimate marketplace.

It is the RISK that causes the violence. We don't have violence when it concerns the legitimate sale of any product in the free market. We always have violence when it comes to black market sales of prohibited or counterfeited products. Removal of the risk..removes the violence.

Would there still be a small black market?...yes. We have a few moonshiners around..but..they are not a cause for major alarm.

The "Risk" isn't what concerns me. Its the social impact.

I understand that changing the paradigm is scary. What about the social impact we have now in making over 600,000 people criminals for simple possession of drugs? What about the impact of spending 400 billion dollars(much of it going to arm police like storm troopers) and not getting a return on our investment. What about the violence on our borders and in our national forests where smugglers and growers are waging war and innocents are caught in the crossfire?

I agree that there are some things to iron out before allowing total legalization of all drugs. I do think however that cannabis is the place to start and could serve as a model for future decriminalization.

We also need the tax revenue that legalization of cannabis would bring.

(12-22-2011 10:17 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  How will legalizing "Hard" drugs solve the problem? I don't think society is capable of handling legalized cocaine/crack/heroin...ETC.

Even if you were to desire law enforcement to continue stopping the flow and sale of these drugs, I would still have a hard time accepting the imprisonment of people who use them.

Indeed, the "users" of these drugs made a choice and lay in the bed they made, and generally aren't the people I'd want to spend my free time with. If they blow money and lose job opportunities in order to get high, then they have to either live with this decision, control their usage, or clean up completely.

But throw them in a jail cell with murderers, rapists and other violent thugs? I just disagree with locking up people who voluntarily are risking their own health and livelihood. Same with those who visit prostitutes. Putting them behind bars just seems odd to me.

(12-22-2011 10:52 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 10:17 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  How will legalizing "Hard" drugs solve the problem? I don't think society is capable of handling legalized cocaine/crack/heroin...ETC.

Even if you were to desire law enforcement to continue stopping the flow and sale of these drugs, I would still have a hard time accepting the imprisonment of people who use them.

Indeed, the "users" of these drugs made a choice and lay in the bed they made, and generally aren't the people I'd want to spend my free time with. If they blow money and lose job opportunities in order to get high, then they have to either live with this decision, control their usage, or clean up completely.

But throw them in a jail cell with murderers, rapists and other violent thugs? I just disagree with locking up people who voluntarily are risking their own health and livelihood. Same with those who visit prostitutes. Putting them behind bars just seems odd to me.

Yes...Making criminals out of people that are not harming anyone goes against the non aggression principle. One would think that conservatives who value personal responsibility and personal liberty so fervently would understand this..yet they are the most staunch supporters of prohibition. Of course there are very few true conservatives anymore. The conservatism has been hijacked by corportists and uber religious right wingers. Both of which have really have no problem with socialism or police state control of the populace. They just like to claim they don't.

(12-22-2011 09:42 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 03:24 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 02:58 AM)jmufan Wrote:  Ron Paul is the best man for the job. Getting rid of all the government baggage would do this country some good. Bring our troops home would be a great move. Everyone is scared of change, they are being mislead by those whose goal it was to over throw the governments of the middle east-paul wolfiwitz, Dick cheney, billy crystol, and so on. The one thing that Obama did right was to end the war in Iraq.

Yeah 'cause getting rid of the EPA, USDA, FDA etc will allow us to have cleaner air to breathe, safer food and drugs because the market will make corporations more accountable for their actions.

What's this thing you have against corporations? Why do you hate the job creators of this country?

I have nothing against corporations(except the money and lobbyists they use to buy elections). I just don't believe that the free market will keep us safe from bad drugs, food etc and if/when they do pollute, they will not clean it up because it isn't in the best interest of their bottom line.

(12-22-2011 10:03 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  The thing is they've legalized drugs / decriminalized in it other places, we have results out there that already show it reduces crime. Its not like its a mystery.

I'm not sure which humors me more, that someone actually thinks the drug war is worth it, or that someone thinks a better border fence would do anything to stop these guys from getting their drugs.

No different than thinking a better fence would stop illegal immigrants from coming over. Sometimes you just need to think about it logically. If you were born in the shithole that is Mexico, is there a fence in the world that could stop you from getting to this great country of ours? Damn sure isn't one out there that would stop me, can't imagine any of you wouldn't find a way here either. If you were a drug lord who had millions of dollars at stake, is a fence going stop you? Hell no. These are people who get their heads cut off in South America & Mexico over drug money, you think a border patrol officer is going to put fear in to them? Come on. They'll fly it in, ship it in, truck it in, grow it here (hello.. meth labs) somehow drugs will get here.

So those of us who don't use drugs are left holding the bag, spending billions of our hard earned tax money, to stop nothing and create a violent environment that puts us at risk. I just don't know how a fiscal conservative can be for the drug war. Its the most backwards thing of all time.

Yeah, do they really think that a really big fence would have stopped Sam Hurd from obtaining drugs to sell? Of course not.

(12-22-2011 10:50 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 10:39 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 10:35 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 10:17 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 10:03 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  The thing is they've legalized drugs / decriminalized in it other places, we have results out there that already show it reduces crime. Its not like its a mystery.

I'm not sure which humors me more, that someone actually thinks the drug war is worth it, or that someone thinks a better border fence would do anything to stop these guys from getting their drugs.

No different than thinking a better fence would stop illegal immigrants from coming over. Sometimes you just need to think about it logically. If you were born in the shithole that is Mexico, is there a fence in the world that could stop you from getting to this great country of ours? Damn sure isn't one out there that would stop me, can't imagine any of you wouldn't find a way here either. If you were a drug lord who had millions of dollars at stake, is a fence going stop you? Hell no. These are people who get their heads cut off in South America & Mexico over drug money, you think a border patrol officer is going to put fear in to them? Come on. They'll fly it in, ship it in, truck it in, grow it here (hello.. meth labs) somehow drugs will get here.

So those of us who don't use drugs are left holding the bag, spending billions of our hard earned tax money, to stop nothing and create a violent environment that puts us at risk. I just don't know how a fiscal conservative can be for the drug war. Its the most backwards thing of all time.

How will legalizing "Hard" drugs solve the problem? I don't think society is capable of handling legalized cocaine/crack/heroin...ETC.

No one says it should be sold legally on the street. I think we all agree that even with cannabis it would need to be controlled in a similar fashion as that of hard liquor. In the case of coke and heroin there would need to be medical supervision and more control. With control would come the added positive of a safer product for consumption. Less overdose deaths would occur due to the quality control of a legitimate marketplace.

It is the RISK that causes the violence. We don't have violence when it concerns the legitimate sale of any product in the free market. We always have violence when it comes to black market sales of prohibited or counterfeited products. Removal of the risk..removes the violence.

Would there still be a small black market?...yes. We have a few moonshiners around..but..they are not a cause for major alarm.

The "Risk" isn't what concerns me. Its the social impact.

I understand that changing the paradigm is scary. What about the social impact we have now in making over 600,000 people criminals for simple possession of drugs? What about the impact of spending 400 billion dollars(much of it going to arm police like storm troopers) and not getting a return on our investment. What about the violence on our borders and in our national forests where smugglers and growers are waging war and innocents are caught in the crossfire?

I agree that there are some things to iron out before allowing total legalization of all drugs. I do think however that cannabis is the place to start and could serve as a model for future decriminalization.

We also need the tax revenue that legalization of cannabis would bring.

Agree to disagree...I don't think legalizing Pot will solve all the problems you think it will.

(12-22-2011 10:52 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 10:17 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  How will legalizing "Hard" drugs solve the problem? I don't think society is capable of handling legalized cocaine/crack/heroin...ETC.

Even if you were to desire law enforcement to continue stopping the flow and sale of these drugs, I would still have a hard time accepting the imprisonment of people who use them.

Indeed, the "users" of these drugs made a choice and lay in the bed they made, and generally aren't the people I'd want to spend my free time with. If they blow money and lose job opportunities in order to get high, then they have to either live with this decision, control their usage, or clean up completely.

But throw them in a jail cell with murderers, rapists and other violent thugs? I just disagree with locking up people who voluntarily are risking their own health and livelihood. Same with those who visit prostitutes. Putting them behind bars just seems odd to me.

If you had ever encountered a crack head out of crack you would realize they are more dangerous than you think...

(12-22-2011 04:45 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 10:52 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 10:17 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  How will legalizing "Hard" drugs solve the problem? I don't think society is capable of handling legalized cocaine/crack/heroin...ETC.

Even if you were to desire law enforcement to continue stopping the flow and sale of these drugs, I would still have a hard time accepting the imprisonment of people who use them.

Indeed, the "users" of these drugs made a choice and lay in the bed they made, and generally aren't the people I'd want to spend my free time with. If they blow money and lose job opportunities in order to get high, then they have to either live with this decision, control their usage, or clean up completely.

But throw them in a jail cell with murderers, rapists and other violent thugs? I just disagree with locking up people who voluntarily are risking their own health and livelihood. Same with those who visit prostitutes. Putting them behind bars just seems odd to me.

If you had ever encountered a crack head out of crack you would realize they are more dangerous than you think...

Try dealing with the guy who sells the drugs.

If you want to say you're against drugs for your own moral or religious reasons, fine. But its insane to try to justify it by saying you're making this a safer place. Its just so naive its incredible. To be that out of touch and still have such a strong opinion on the subject is ridiculous. There's already proof legalizing & decriminalizing drugs reduces crime, its been done. Its simply not up for debate at this point, its common knowledge.

Any legitimate fiscal conservative is for the legalization of drugs, or they aren't actually any more a fiscal conservative than GW Bush was. Its that simple. I don't know how you could possibly argue otherwise, when so much evidence is out there that the war on drugs is a waste of tax payer money.

Quote:Try dealing with the guy who sells the drugs.

They should be in jail.

Quote:If you want to say you're against drugs for your own moral or religious reasons, fine. But its insane to try to justify it by saying you're making this a safer place. Its just so naive its incredible. To be that out of touch and still have such a strong opinion on the subject is ridiculous. There's already proof legalizing & decriminalizing drugs reduces crime, its been done. Its simply not up for debate at this point, its common knowledge.

My reasons aren't religious or moral and it is up for debate. I've said this many times...people can't handle drugs being legal. Its you who are naive if you think American citizens will somehow use these drugs responsibly.

Quote:Any legitimate fiscal conservative is for the legalization of drugs, or they aren't actually any more a fiscal conservative than GW Bush was. Its that simple. I don't know how you could possibly argue otherwise, when so much evidence is out there that the war on drugs is a waste of tax payer money.

Where is the evidence? All we have to go on is what happened during prohibition. Alcohol is hardly the same thing as hard drugs. I actually think Pot should be legal and alcohol should be illegal.

Again. I'm not saying slowly legalizing marijuana is a bad idea but to just allow everything out there into the mainstream is crazy.

(12-22-2011 04:57 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 04:45 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 10:52 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 10:17 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  How will legalizing "Hard" drugs solve the problem? I don't think society is capable of handling legalized cocaine/crack/heroin...ETC.

Even if you were to desire law enforcement to continue stopping the flow and sale of these drugs, I would still have a hard time accepting the imprisonment of people who use them.

Indeed, the "users" of these drugs made a choice and lay in the bed they made, and generally aren't the people I'd want to spend my free time with. If they blow money and lose job opportunities in order to get high, then they have to either live with this decision, control their usage, or clean up completely.

But throw them in a jail cell with murderers, rapists and other violent thugs? I just disagree with locking up people who voluntarily are risking their own health and livelihood. Same with those who visit prostitutes. Putting them behind bars just seems odd to me.

If you had ever encountered a crack head out of crack you would realize they are more dangerous than you think...

Try dealing with the guy who sells the drugs.

If you want to say you're against drugs for your own moral or religious reasons, fine. But its insane to try to justify it by saying you're making this a safer place. Its just so naive its incredible. To be that out of touch and still have such a strong opinion on the subject is ridiculous. There's already proof legalizing & decriminalizing drugs reduces crime, its been done. Its simply not up for debate at this point, its common knowledge.

Any legitimate fiscal conservative is for the legalization of drugs, or they aren't actually any more a fiscal conservative than GW Bush was. Its that simple. I don't know how you could possibly argue otherwise, when so much evidence is out there that the war on drugs is a waste of tax payer money.

Absolutely..but..never mind the evidence. The system needs criminals to self propagate itself.

(12-22-2011 06:57 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 04:57 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 04:45 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 10:52 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 10:17 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  How will legalizing "Hard" drugs solve the problem? I don't think society is capable of handling legalized cocaine/crack/heroin...ETC.

Even if you were to desire law enforcement to continue stopping the flow and sale of these drugs, I would still have a hard time accepting the imprisonment of people who use them.

Indeed, the "users" of these drugs made a choice and lay in the bed they made, and generally aren't the people I'd want to spend my free time with. If they blow money and lose job opportunities in order to get high, then they have to either live with this decision, control their usage, or clean up completely.

But throw them in a jail cell with murderers, rapists and other violent thugs? I just disagree with locking up people who voluntarily are risking their own health and livelihood. Same with those who visit prostitutes. Putting them behind bars just seems odd to me.

If you had ever encountered a crack head out of crack you would realize they are more dangerous than you think...

Try dealing with the guy who sells the drugs.

If you want to say you're against drugs for your own moral or religious reasons, fine. But its insane to try to justify it by saying you're making this a safer place. Its just so naive its incredible. To be that out of touch and still have such a strong opinion on the subject is ridiculous. There's already proof legalizing & decriminalizing drugs reduces crime, its been done. Its simply not up for debate at this point, its common knowledge.

Any legitimate fiscal conservative is for the legalization of drugs, or they aren't actually any more a fiscal conservative than GW Bush was. Its that simple. I don't know how you could possibly argue otherwise, when so much evidence is out there that the war on drugs is a waste of tax payer money.

Absolutely..but..never mind the evidence. The system needs criminals to self propagate itself.

Especially with so many for-profit prisons out there. If there were no criminals, they would have a hard time making a profit.

(12-23-2011 01:46 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 06:57 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 04:57 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 04:45 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 10:52 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Even if you were to desire law enforcement to continue stopping the flow and sale of these drugs, I would still have a hard time accepting the imprisonment of people who use them.

Indeed, the "users" of these drugs made a choice and lay in the bed they made, and generally aren't the people I'd want to spend my free time with. If they blow money and lose job opportunities in order to get high, then they have to either live with this decision, control their usage, or clean up completely.

But throw them in a jail cell with murderers, rapists and other violent thugs? I just disagree with locking up people who voluntarily are risking their own health and livelihood. Same with those who visit prostitutes. Putting them behind bars just seems odd to me.

If you had ever encountered a crack head out of crack you would realize they are more dangerous than you think...

Try dealing with the guy who sells the drugs.

If you want to say you're against drugs for your own moral or religious reasons, fine. But its insane to try to justify it by saying you're making this a safer place. Its just so naive its incredible. To be that out of touch and still have such a strong opinion on the subject is ridiculous. There's already proof legalizing & decriminalizing drugs reduces crime, its been done. Its simply not up for debate at this point, its common knowledge.

Any legitimate fiscal conservative is for the legalization of drugs, or they aren't actually any more a fiscal conservative than GW Bush was. Its that simple. I don't know how you could possibly argue otherwise, when so much evidence is out there that the war on drugs is a waste of tax payer money.

Absolutely..but..never mind the evidence. The system needs criminals to self propagate itself.

Especially with so many for-profit prisons out there. If there were no criminals, they would have a hard time making a profit.

Yes...This is direct result of the drug war. The statistics prove that without any doubt. The majority of those in prison at any one time are incarcerated for drug crimes.