(10-07-2011 08:47 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(10-07-2011 08:44 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-06-2011 05:54 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Proms are criminal?

C'mon Paul, you damned well know what a prom party is.

But just in case; it usually involves high school kids, alcohol, and underage sex.

And that's just at the pre-party........

And post.

Yeah, I wasn't referring to the actual prom.

(10-06-2011 02:51 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Unfortunattely, us modern revolutionaries face governments with access to overwhelming force - tanks, automatic weapons, an air force - while civilians have at best small arms, rifles, knives and sticks.

Violent revolutions may appeal to the fantasies of "western white boys," perhaps nurtured by novels and video games and movies, but people actually in those situations, like Mr. Caswell, have to be smarter than that.....

What? Have you not seen Rebel's arsenal?

(10-07-2011 12:40 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  The Institute for Justice is a great organization. You'll only hear about this sort of thing from Reason, CATO, and IJ. The Republicans won't do a damned thing about this behavior, which is 9 times out of 10 hidden behind the title of "The War on Drugs". In the GOP candidate side, only Ron Paul and Gary Johnson would deal with this issue.

Do they take on Eminent Domain cases as well?

(10-06-2011 03:06 PM)T-Monay820 Wrote:  

(10-06-2011 02:51 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Unfortunattely, us modern revolutionaries face governments with access to overwhelming force - tanks, automatic weapons, an air force - while civilians have at best small arms, rifles, knives and sticks.

Violent revolutions may appeal to the fantasies of "western white boys," perhaps nurtured by novels and video games and movies, but people actually in those situations, like Mr. Caswell, have to be smarter than that.....

The biggest safety factor is the fact that the US military (as much as the left would love to have us believe) is not filled with mindless drones. Our officer corps is one of the most educated in the world and will not just carelessly go about ordering the killing of Americans, especially on American soil.

Didn't Rebel just claim that 70% of the military was made up of conservatives? Seems to me that if those numbers are correct(which I doubt), the military IS filled with mindless drones.

(10-06-2011 02:51 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Unfortunattely, us modern revolutionaries face governments with access to overwhelming force - tanks, automatic weapons, an air force - while civilians have at best small arms, rifles, knives and sticks.

Violent revolutions may appeal to the fantasies of "western white boys," perhaps nurtured by novels and video games and movies, but people actually in those situations, like Mr. Caswell, have to be smarter than that.....

Yea I mean its a good thing the Iraqi insurgency was able to match our Tanks planes and automatic weapons..

(10-06-2011 03:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I can see why this public nuisance needs to go (from 2/15/11):

Two Days, Four Incidents, Nine Arrests at Motel Caswell
Tewksbury Police made nine arrests involving four separate incidents at the Motel Caswell, 450 Main St., over the weekend.

The arrests resulted in charges including larceny of a motor vehicle, drug possession, minor in possession of alcohol and several outstanding warrants.

The first incident took place early Saturday morning, just before 1 a.m., when the clerk working the night desk at the Motel Caswell called police to report that there were people in Room 231 that he wanted to leave and would not.

Several officers converged on the motel and four North Reading residents, two males and two females, were taken into custody.

Kelly McNeil, 24, 10 Green St., North Reading, was charged with trespass.

Derek Hughes, 18, 103 Main St., North Reading, was charged with possession of a Class E substance, as well as two outstanding warrants.

Kevin Blake, 18, of North Reading, was charged with furnishing alcohol to a minor, being the social host who is criminally responsible, being under 21 in possession of alcohol and trespass.

Colleen Coughlin, 23, 10 Burditt Road, North Reading, was charged with trespass.

On Sunday morning, just before 9 a.m., when Officer Alysia Russo stopped to check out a suspicious vehicle in the Motel Caswell parking lot. A vehicle check showed the car had been stolen in Salisbury.

Three additional units proceeded to the motel to back up officer Russo and two individuals staying at the motel, a male and a female, were arrested.

Shaun Strong, 28, listed as homeless, was arrested on two outstanding warrants. Briar Pare, 128 Ocean Drive, Seabrook, NH, was arrested on two outstanding warrants and was also charged with larceny of a motor vehicle.

Later that day, just before 1 p.m., police executed warrants and arrested two more people staying at Motel Caswell. Matthew E. Ponte, 26, of 499 Boston Road, Apt. 1104, Billerica and Katherine Dobbins, 12 9th St., Apt. 403, Medford, were both taken into custody on the outstanding warrants. Dobbins was also charged with possession of a Class C substance.

Two hours later, police were back at the motel again, this time to arrest Mark J. Szczesuil, 44, 102 Lowell St., Apt. 309, North Reading, on two outstanding warrants.

But I don't really agree with taking it away and not compensating the owners for at least it's fair market value.

This is a statistical outlier. And the property itself had nothing to do with it. Should they start seizing convenience stores where robberies happen?

(10-06-2011 04:10 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Motel Caswell

The Motel Caswell on Main Street has been the subject of more than 100 narcotics investigations since 1994, according to Tewksbury police.

100 Investigations in 16 years. One every two months. I suspect motels ofent have a rate that is somewhere near that. Btw is it funny that they did not say how many of the investigations yielded arrest?

Quote:At the same time, the property is among the top three locations Tewksbury police have responded to this year alone -- an address that has found itself at the center of narcotics, prostitution, assault and rape cases over the years.

'among' that top three? have the seized the other two?

Quote:"It's a black eye to Tewksbury," Selectman David Gay said yesterday. "It's been a constant thorn in the town's side since I started living here 20 years ago. This couldn't come soon enough."

Have hte owners actually committed a crime? can you prove they looked the other way while crimes were being committed. If criminals start frequenting a bar when this place gets cleaned up will you take the bar?

Quote:"I think even the townspeople who don't want to see change -- who want Tewksbury to stay the way it is -- won't be shedding tears over this," Selectman Scott Wilson added. "It has a very negative image in town ... yet it's almost the entryway into Tewksbury. I think it could be turned into something really nice."

Then *buy* it!

Quote:[i]Among the most notable cases was the discovery in October 2005 of a methamphetamine lab run out of room 255 by a 35-year-old Tewksbury man. He was sentenced to three years in prison after pleading guilty.

So the most *note able* case leading to the seizure of this blight was six years ago?

Quote:Casey's affidavit details the arrests of 10 other people caught dealing heroin, cocaine and prescription drugs out of rooms at the Motel Caswell -- with one case alone leading to the seizure of 190 baggies containing heroin.

Again *one big case* and other incidents.

(10-07-2011 11:03 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-06-2011 02:51 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Unfortunattely, us modern revolutionaries face governments with access to overwhelming force - tanks, automatic weapons, an air force - while civilians have at best small arms, rifles, knives and sticks.

Violent revolutions may appeal to the fantasies of "western white boys," perhaps nurtured by novels and video games and movies, but people actually in those situations, like Mr. Caswell, have to be smarter than that.....

Yea I mean its a good thing the Iraqi insurgency was able to match our Tanks planes and automatic weapons..

I'm not really sure that's an apples to apples comparison, but maybe I am not following your point?

I was simply making an off-hand comment referencing that calls to revolution, in a violent western white boy OWS anarchist engage the man in the streets way, have little chance of succeeding.

(10-07-2011 11:13 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-06-2011 04:10 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Motel Caswell

The Motel Caswell on Main Street has been the subject of more than 100 narcotics investigations since 1994, according to Tewksbury police.

100 Investigations in 16 years. One every two months. I suspect motels ofent have a rate that is somewhere near that. Btw is it funny that they did not say how many of the investigations yielded arrest?

Agreed. Once every two months needs context, how do other places fare?

Quote:At the same time, the property is among the top three locations Tewksbury police have responded to this year alone -- an address that has found itself at the center of narcotics, prostitution, assault and rape cases over the years.

Funny, in my home town the worst place was the subsidized housing that the government forced on the town.

Quote:"It's a black eye to Tewksbury," Selectman David Gay said yesterday... Among the most notable cases was the discovery in October 2005 of a methamphetamine lab run out of room 255 by a 35-year-old Tewksbury man. He was sentenced to three years in prison after pleading guilty.

Seems to me the problem isn't the hotel. Tewksbury breeds its own problems.

When did the flower children of the '60s, who protested Viet Nam and were horrified by Nixon, start siding w/ big gov't oppression?

(10-07-2011 08:44 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-06-2011 05:54 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Proms are criminal?

C'mon Paul, you damned well know what a prom party is.

But just in case; it usually involves high school kids, alcohol, and underage sex.

You make prom parties sound commonplace. Are police taking over hotels all over the country?

(10-07-2011 12:50 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(10-07-2011 08:44 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-06-2011 05:54 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Proms are criminal?

C'mon Paul, you damned well know what a prom party is.

But just in case; it usually involves high school kids, alcohol, and underage sex.

You make prom parties sound commonplace. Are police taking over hotels all over the country?

Not to my knowledge, which sorta proves that this case is unique and perhaps justified.

And as I said, I don't favor the owner's losing their property and it's value. They should at least be compensated. Unless they are found to have been complicit in the illegal activities.