[QUOTE]The only jobs Huggins has "considered" leaving UC for are NBA jobs and the West Virginia job which, coincidentally, is a Big East job and his alma mater. You're not saying that UAB is a destination job and Cincinnati and Big East jobs is a steppingstone are you!? Huggins has been here for 15 years so he obviously wants to be here. Look at the number of C-USA schools who are at the bottom of the coaching food chain. Coaches would take a Rutger or USF job over the majority of C-USA jobs because they're Big East jobs as long as the money is fine. You're delusional if you think that Big East jobs are steppingstone jobs. [QUOTE]

Well, Pitt obviously WAS ... <a href='http://www.sptimes.com/2003/04/03/Sports/UCLA_lures_coach_from.shtml' target='_blank'>http://www.sptimes.com/2003/04/03/Sports/U...oach_from.shtml</a>
Villanova obviously WAS ... <a href='http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:klYu1g_SmdsJ:www.ncaa.org/news/1996/960513/record.html+%22UNLV%22+%2B+%22Massimino%22+%2B+%22Villanova%22+%2B+%221992%22&hl=en' target='_blank'>http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:klYu1...221992%22&hl=en</a>
DePaul obviously WAS ... <a href='http://virginiasports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/leitao_dave00.html' target='_blank'>http://virginiasports.collegesports.com/sp...tao_dave00.html</a>

Ah yes, but here is the key..........

Flying Mouse Wrote:as long as the money is fine.

SO#1 Wrote:In the state of Tennessee, Memphis at best is number 2 at worst behind Middle Tennessee, a Sun Belt team.

Sorry, I try to stay out of the pissing matches as much as I can, but this just didn't sit well with me. Memphis is solidly #2 in Tennessee and receives more media attention in West TN than even UT does. We are certainly above MTSU who gets virtually no attention, even in their own market.

Using that logic Kansas must be a stepping stone in basketball.

It is all relative. There are about 15-20 true destination jobs. That doesn't mean you can't move but the chance is pretty good the coach will be staying a while.

I'm sorry UAB is not in that group.

I never said UAB was a destination job. Never even insinuated it. Just said the coach won't leave for some crappy, bottom of the pack major-conference job.
Most of the Big East jobs aren't destination jobs, either. Unless you want to say something stupid, like Pittsburgh and Villanova are destination jobs when Pitt just lost theirs within the last two years and Villanova had its best coach ever LEAVE FOR ANOTHER JOB.

Flying Mouse Wrote:I never said UAB was a destination job. Never even insinuated it. Just said the coach won't leave for some crappy, bottom of the pack major-conference job.
Most of the Big East jobs aren't destination jobs, either. Unless you want to say something stupid, like Pittsburgh and Villanova are destination jobs when Pitt just lost theirs within the last two years and Villanova had its best coach ever LEAVE FOR ANOTHER JOB.

I will put it to you this way " Pitt and Villanova are destination jobs for a coach at UAB. Does that make you happy?

I cant believe a UAB fan is on a BE board calling BE schools like Rutgers and Villanova and Pitt bottom of the barel jobs. :laugh: :laugh:

You are a funny one flying mouse. :laugh:

BTW; you did insinuate that UAB was a destination job when you jumped all over someone for saying it was a stepping stone. If its not a stepping stone, than what is it?

Flying Mouse Wrote:Villanova obviously WAS ... <a href='http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:klYu1g_SmdsJ:www.ncaa.org/news/1996/960513/record.html+%22UNLV%22+%2B+%22Massimino%22+%2B+%22Villanova%22+%2B+%221992%22&hl=en' target='_blank'>http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:klYu1...221992%22&hl=en</a>

That link simply states that Massimino is taking the Cleveland St job and that he most recently coached at UNLV, who bought out his contract. Not sure what any of that does to prove your point in his case.

In my opinion, in general, when a coach has won a national championship at a school and then decides to move on, that doesn't so much mean he is "moving up", but more so that he is "moving on".

Flying Mouse Wrote:I never said UAB was a destination job. Never even insinuated it. Just said the coach won't leave for some crappy, bottom of the pack major-conference job.
Most of the Big East jobs aren't destination jobs, either. Unless you want to say something stupid, like Pittsburgh and Villanova are destination jobs when Pitt just lost theirs within the last two years and Villanova had its best coach ever LEAVE FOR ANOTHER JOB.

Ben Howland, the coach you're referring to at Pitt, left for the UCLA job because that is where he is from and that was always his dream job. I don't know how your link about Villanova and Massimino proves your point. But, using your logic, the Kansas job isn't a destination job. In fact, the Kentucky job isn't a destination job either. Afterall, you said it proves UC isn't a job coaches want since Huggins almost left, for NBA jobs no less, Rick Pitino actually DID leave for an NBA job so I guess Kentucky is a steppingstone job. So is Illinois. See how ridiculous your "logic" is?

Ok, let's start over since you people can't read:
1) your post: UAB is a steppingstone job.
FACT: Maybe, maybe not. No proof of it as NO COACH IN THE HISTORY OF THE SCHOOL HAS EVER LEFT FOR ANOTHER JOB and Bartow turned down multi-million dollar offers from Kentucky and Wake Forest and Anderson has already turned down Auburn, Miami and Tennessee.
2) Your post: Big East jobs are not steppingstones.
FACT: Au, contraire. I already cited many examples that directly prove that wrong, and I can go get more if you want. And I believe I said, like you, that all but a few jobs in college basketball qualify as steppingstone jobs for the right amount of money and the "right" job.
3) your post: UAB program is nowhere near on the level of any Big East program.
4) FACT: UAB has a higher all-time winning percentage than several of them and far better NCAA Tournament results than several of them. But don't let the facts get in the way of your superiority complex. Syracuse, sure. Rutgers, get freaking real.

Flying Mouse Wrote:Ok, let's start over since you people can't read:
1) your post: UAB is a steppingstone job.
FACT: Maybe, maybe not. No proof of it as NO COACH IN THE HISTORY OF THE SCHOOL HAS EVER LEFT FOR ANOTHER JOB and Bartow turned down multi-million dollar offers from Kentucky and Wake Forest and Anderson has already turned down Auburn, Miami and Tennessee.
2) Your post: Big East jobs are not steppingstones.
FACT: Au, contraire. I already cited many examples that directly prove that wrong, and I can go get more if you want. And I believe I said, like you, that all but a few jobs in college basketball qualify as steppingstone jobs for the right amount of money and the "right" job.
3) your post: UAB program is nowhere near on the level of any Big East program.
4) FACT: UAB has a higher all-time winning percentage than several of them and far better NCAA Tournament results than several of them. But don't let the facts get in the way of your superiority complex. Syracuse, sure. Rutgers, get freaking real.

No matter what you want to say about Rutgers, they are still a much higher profile program than UAB. So you need to get real. Your bb program has been winning for what 2 or 3 years. Please get real.

Just because no coach has ever left the UAB program, (which maybe doubtful, I dont know and I dont care) does not make it a destination job. Maybe no coach at UAB has ever been good enough that some other program would covet them.

Your on this board talking as if UAB is some national program. Villanova, Gtown, Rutgers and Pitt are all much higher profile programs than UAB. Do you really think we care about the MIDMAJOR UAB program?

As for your fact #4, If UAB played in the BE, like some of the lower BE teams, you wouldnt have a higher winning % than anyone.

cuseroc,Aug 6 2005, 07:41 AM Wrote:[QUOTE

No matter what you want to say about Rutgers, they are still a much higher profile program than UAB. So you need to get real. Your bb program has been winning for what 2 or 3 years. Please get real.

[/QUOTE]
Are you clueless or just pretend to be?

Since UAB didn't start its Athletic Program (Hoops) till 1977 and their Football program started in the early 90's (1996 was first year Div I-A), even in this short-time, their success almost dwarfs Rutgers.

You say UAB has only been good (most are talking hoops on this thread) for the past 2-3 years, well, let's look back...5-10-15-20-25 years for both Programs.

In the past 25 years, UAB has been to the NCAA's 12 times (including string of 8 in a row).

Rutgers over the past 25 years has been to the NCAA's only 3 times ('83, '89, '91) and haven't made the NCAA's for 14 straight seasons.

UAB has also been in the NIT 8 times over this same period. (Usually in the NCAA's).

Rutgers has been in the NIT's 7 times. (Usually NOT in the NCAA's).

So again...who has been good, most often, over the past 20-25 years??

UAB only good for the past 2-3 seasons?

Rutgers...haven't even earned a spot in the NCAA's since 1991??

Come on....please tell me you were "pretending" to be that clueless.

KL

PS. Yes...I was there in NJ in 1976 cheering on my Scarlet Knights as Phil Sellers lead them on that incredible journey to the Spectrum. No doubt that was a great time in NJ Sports History, but it was sad to see even with the great Hoop Conf like the Big East, great location of Rutgers to NYC, and a nice building to play in (made for the NY Nets from Uniondale, NY to move to NJ), that Rutgers hasn't made that same leap again.

KnightLight,Aug 6 2005, 08:52 AM Wrote:

cuseroc,Aug 6 2005, 07:41 AM Wrote:[QUOTE

No matter what you want to say about Rutgers, they are still a much higher profile program than UAB. So you need to get real. Your bb program has been winning for what 2 or 3 years. Please get real.

Are you clueless or just pretend to be?

Since UAB didn't start its Athletic Program (Hoops) till 1977 and their Football program started in the early 90's (1996 was first year Div I-A), even in this short-time, their success almost dwarfs Rutgers.

You say UAB has only been good (most are talking hoops on this thread) for the past 2-3 years, well, let's look back...5-10-15-20-25 years for both Programs.

In the past 25 years, UAB has been to the NCAA's 12 times (including string of 8 in a row).

Rutgers over the past 25 years has been to the NCAA's only 3 times ('83, '89, '91) and haven't made the NCAA's for 14 straight seasons.

UAB has also been in the NIT 8 times over this same period. (Usually in the NCAA's).

Rutgers has been in the NIT's 7 times. (Usually NOT in the NCAA's).

So again...who has been good, most often, over the past 20-25 years??

UAB only good for the past 2-3 seasons?

Rutgers...haven't even earned a spot in the NCAA's since 1991??

Come on....please tell me you were "pretending" to be that clueless.
KL

PS. Yes...I was there in NJ in 1976 cheering on my Scarlet Knights as Phil Sellers lead them on that incredible journey to the Spectrum. No doubt that was a great time in NJ Sports History, but it was sad to see even with the great Hoop Conf like the Big East, great location of Rutgers to NYC, and a nice building to play in (made for the NY Nets from Uniondale, NY to move to NJ), that Rutgers hasn't made that same leap again. [/QUOTE]


No you are the one that is clueless. Being a higher profile has nothing to do with win/losses. Rutgers is a higher profile program than UAB. Higher profile means a better known program. Just like UCLA is a higher profile program than UAB, even though UAB has won more games than UCLA the last 3 or 4 years. Its the same as Rutgers being a higher profile program than UCF. So it turns out that you are the one who is totally clueless.

We are talking about stepping stone programs and destination programs. Being a stepping stone program or being a destination program has more to do with the profile of the program.

Quote:No matter what you want to say about Rutgers, they are still a much higher profile program than UAB. So you need to get real. Your bb program has been winning for what 2 or 3 years. Please get real.

Again, you have no facts to back that up. UAB has AVERAGED 20 victories for its entire basketball program's history, reached the elite eight in its third year to have a team, went to seven straight NCAAs in its first 10 years with a team (Duke and UNC were the only other programs in the NCAA to do that during the same stretch), reached 300, 400 and 500 victories faster than any program in NCAA history, holds the all-time highest winning percentage in their conference (ahead of Memphis and ranked top 40 in college basketball history), has beaten Kentucky, Indiana, Virginia, Washington, LSU, Alabama, Missouri and Michigan State and many others in postseason tournament play, has qualified for postseason in 20 of the 27 years they've fielded a team, including 12 NCAAs, has won at least one game in NCAA Tournament play in six out of 12 appearances, been to two NIT Final Fours, had exactly ONE below .500 season in 27 years, 16 seasons of 20 or more victories and only six of less than 17 ... but nah, they've only been winning for 2-3 years. Riiiiiight ...

Quote:Just because no coach has ever left the UAB program, (which maybe doubtful, I dont know and I dont care) does not make it a destination job. Maybe no coach at UAB has ever been good enough that some other program would covet them.

I never said it WAS a destination job. But since you brought it up ... Nah, Gene Bartow didn't leave UCLA where he succeeded John Wooden and went to the Final Four to start basketball at UAB. And nah, he didn't become the first coach in NCAA history to take three different programs to the Elite Eight and was within a couple of minutes of being the first to go to the FInal Four with three schools. And nah, he didn't end his career ranked among the top 30 coaches in NCAA history in victories with nearly 700. Or turn down Kentucky and the opportunity to replace Joe B. Hall ... Nah, obviously didn't happen. Just like Anderson is really the coach right now at Auburn ...

Quote:Your on this board talking as if UAB is some national program. Villanova, Gtown, Rutgers and Pitt are all much higher profile programs than UAB. Do you really think we care about the MIDMAJOR UAB program?

I didn't bring them up ... YOU did. And I never said UAB was a "national" program. I said they have outperformed some in the Big East and have a good enough program and the resources to hang onto their coach for all but a select few jobs that might come open. If you choose to make non-factual posts and have ill-informed opinions, hey, it's a free country. There's always a place for that. That's why we have organizations like the Flat Earth Society. So people can believe what they want even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Quote:As for your fact #4, If UAB played in the BE, like some of the lower BE teams, you wouldnt have a higher winning % than anyone.

Riiiight ... Tell that to DePaul or Marquette.

UAB vs. current Big East is 65-66 (not great but hardly disastrous). UAB that record is primarily because of series deficits vs. Louisville, DePaul and Marquette. I give Louisville their props as a great program. They have dealt UAB some heartbreaking defeats in postseason play. However, UAB has won 5 of the last 7 vs. DePaul after an 0-6 start and has won the past 3 vs. Marquette, the last two by double digits and the 1st in that stretch also a big win in which they forced Wade into 10 turnovers. So UAB has proven on the court right there that they can hang with and beat current Big East members on a regular basis.

Ah, but what about the REAL Big East?
UAB record vs. orginal Big East members is 7-6 as follows, and notice they ain't playing Rutgers:
UConn 1-0, UAB won at Storrs in 89 NIT on its way to MSG ...
Pittsburgh 2-0, both in regular season
Villanova 1-0 UAB won in regular season against McLain, Pinckney, et al ...
Georgetown 0-1 lost by 4 in NIT semifinals after holding 15-point 2nd-half lead
Syracuse 0-1 lost in preseason tournament
West Virginia 2-1 all in regular season
Providence 1-1 ... lost in NCAAs the year Friars went to FInal Four, beat them in NIT consolation
St. John's 0-2, losses in NIT semis and quarters in New York

Yeah, I'd say there's no evidence whatsoever UAB has and could be competitive vs. Big East ... especially considering UAB is also 25-26 vs. the SEC with winning records over Kentucky, Mississippi State and Auburn in multi-game series as well as winning marks of Alabama and Florida. Or 7-9 vs. the Big Ten. Or 4-5 vs. Pac-10 and 8-9 vs. Big 12. Highly competitive with each considering the majority of the games would be road games for UAB, or at best, neutral sites. Not many of those in Birmingham where UAB has a winning percentage of better than .800 all time. The only one of the Big Six conference that UAB is not within 2 games of .500 against is the ACC, at 3-6 all-time. Obviously, UAB has a hard time getting games against the Big Six, because they win quite a bit.

cuseroc Wrote:

KnightLight,Aug 6 2005, 08:52 AM Wrote:[QUOTE=cuseroc,Aug 6 2005, 07:41 AM] [QUOTE

No you are the one that is clueless. Being a higher profile has nothing to do with win/losses. Rutgers is a higher profile program than UAB. Higher profile means a better known program. Just like UCLA is a higher profile program than UAB, even though UAB has won more games than UCLA the last 3 or 4 years. Its the same as Rutgers being a higher profile program than UCF. So it turns out that you are the one who is totally clueless.

We are talking about stepping stone programs and destination programs. Being a stepping stone program or being a destination program has more to do with the profile of the program.

As the great TV Philosopher George Constanza once said: "It's not a lie, if you believe".

Flying Mouse Wrote:

Quote:No matter what you want to say about Rutgers, they are still a much higher profile program than UAB. So you need to get real. Your bb program has been winning for what 2 or 3 years. Please get real.

Again, you have no facts to back that up. UAB has AVERAGED 20 victories for its entire basketball program's history, reached the elite eight in its third year to have a team, went to seven straight NCAAs in its first 10 years with a team (Duke and UNC were the only other programs in the NCAA to do that during the same stretch), reached 300, 400 and 500 victories faster than any program in NCAA history, holds the all-time highest winning percentage in their conference (ahead of Memphis and ranked top 40 in college basketball history), has beaten Kentucky, Indiana, Virginia, Washington, LSU, Alabama, Missouri and Michigan State and many others in postseason tournament play, has qualified for postseason in 20 of the 27 years they've fielded a team, including 12 NCAAs, has won at least one game in NCAA Tournament play in six out of 12 appearances, been to two NIT Final Fours, had exactly ONE below .500 season in 27 years, 16 seasons of 20 or more victories and only six of less than 17 ... but nah, they've only been winning for 2-3 years. Riiiiiight ...

Quote:Just because no coach has ever left the UAB program, (which maybe doubtful, I dont know and I dont care) does not make it a destination job. Maybe no coach at UAB has ever been good enough that some other program would covet them.

I never said it WAS a destination job. But since you brought it up ... Nah, Gene Bartow didn't leave UCLA where he succeeded John Wooden and went to the Final Four to start basketball at UAB. And nah, he didn't become the first coach in NCAA history to take three different programs to the Elite Eight and was within a couple of minutes of being the first to go to the FInal Four with three schools. And nah, he didn't end his career ranked among the top 30 coaches in NCAA history in victories with nearly 700. Or turn down Kentucky and the opportunity to replace Joe B. Hall ... Nah, obviously didn't happen. Just like Anderson is really the coach right now at Auburn ...

Quote:Your on this board talking as if UAB is some national program. Villanova, Gtown, Rutgers and Pitt are all much higher profile programs than UAB. Do you really think we care about the MIDMAJOR UAB program?

I didn't bring them up ... YOU did. And I never said UAB was a "national" program. I said they have outperformed some in the Big East and have a good enough program and the resources to hang onto their coach for all but a select few jobs that might come open. If you choose to make non-factual posts and have ill-informed opinions, hey, it's a free country. There's always a place for that. That's why we have organizations like the Flat Earth Society. So people can believe what they want even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Quote:As for your fact #4, If UAB played in the BE, like some of the lower BE teams, you wouldnt have a higher winning % than anyone.

Riiiight ... Tell that to DePaul or Marquette.

UAB vs. current Big East is 65-66 (not great but hardly disastrous). UAB that record is primarily because of series deficits vs. Louisville, DePaul and Marquette. I give Louisville their props as a great program. They have dealt UAB some heartbreaking defeats in postseason play. However, UAB has won 5 of the last 7 vs. DePaul after an 0-6 start and has won the past 3 vs. Marquette, the last two by double digits and the 1st in that stretch also a big win in which they forced Wade into 10 turnovers. So UAB has proven on the court right there that they can hang with and beat current Big East members on a regular basis.

Ah, but what about the REAL Big East?
UAB record vs. orginal Big East members is 7-6 as follows, and notice they ain't playing Rutgers:
UConn 1-0, UAB won at Storrs in 89 NIT on its way to MSG ...
Pittsburgh 2-0, both in regular season
Villanova 1-0 UAB won in regular season against McLain, Pinckney, et al ...
Georgetown 0-1 lost by 4 in NIT semifinals after holding 15-point 2nd-half lead
Syracuse 0-1 lost in preseason tournament
West Virginia 2-1 all in regular season
Providence 1-1 ... lost in NCAAs the year Friars went to FInal Four, beat them in NIT consolation
St. John's 0-2, losses in NIT semis and quarters in New York

Yeah, I'd say there's no evidence whatsoever UAB has and could be competitive vs. Big East ... especially considering UAB is also 25-26 vs. the SEC with winning records over Kentucky, Mississippi State and Auburn in multi-game series as well as winning marks of Alabama and Florida. Or 7-9 vs. the Big Ten. Or 4-5 vs. Pac-10 and 8-9 vs. Big 12. Highly competitive with each considering the majority of the games would be road games for UAB, or at best, neutral sites. Not many of those in Birmingham where UAB has a winning percentage of better than .800 all time. The only one of the Big Six conference that UAB is not within 2 games of .500 against is the ACC, at 3-6 all-time. Obviously, UAB has a hard time getting games against the Big Six, because they win quite a bit.

Boy you bring out a lot of ancient numbers to prove that UAB has had some limited success of bcs programs, especially the win against Uconn, before they became the Uconn that we know of today. The same with Pitt. UAB still would not be as succesful in the BE as it has been in CUSA the last 2 or 3 years. Not playing a BE schedule every week. Sure you could have some limited success with some bcs schools but try doing it every week. Winning 20 games in CUSA is quite different than winning 20 games in the BE. And I dont consider wins against the one horse SEC to be anything to brag about either.

None of your stats prove your point that UAB is a higher profile program than Rutgers. The only ones that think so are 2 programs that have no business talking bb smack on a BE board, UCF and UAB.

BTW; You are the one that brought all of this up by jumping all over someone because they said your midmajor school was a stepping stone. That someone was not me. But it is more of a stepping stone program than Rutgers. All of your stats do nothing to disprove that.

KnightLight,Aug 6 2005, 12:56 PM Wrote:

cuseroc,Aug 6 2005, 10:00 AM Wrote:

KnightLight,Aug 6 2005, 08:52 AM Wrote:[QUOTE=cuseroc,Aug 6 2005, 07:41 AM] [QUOTE

No you are the one that is clueless. Being a higher profile has nothing to do with win/losses. Rutgers is a higher profile program than UAB. Higher profile means a better known program. Just like UCLA is a higher profile program than UAB, even though UAB has won more games than UCLA the last 3 or 4 years. Its the same as Rutgers being a higher profile program than UCF. So it turns out that you are the one who is totally clueless.

We are talking about stepping stone programs and destination programs. Being a stepping stone program or being a destination program has more to do with the profile of the program.

As the great TV Philosopher George Constanza once said: "It's not a lie, if you believe".

Is that all you got? :laugh: Obviously you see the light. UAB has alot more wins than UCLA the last few years, but can you say that Uab is a higher profile program than UCLA?

God, you are hardheaded.
THEY HAVE NEVER LOST A COACH AND HAVE HAD COACHES TURN DOWN KENTUCKY, WAKE FOREST, AUBURN, MIAMI AND TENNESSEE!!!!

And Rutgers hasn't accomplished a third of that much and is hardly a "destination" program.
There are only a handful of destination programs, period, in all of college basketball.
But don't let facts get in the way of your delusions of graduer.

Rutgers ... ROTFL

Flying Mouse Wrote:God, you are hardheaded.
THEY HAVE NEVER LOST A COACH AND HAVE HAD COACHES TURN DOWN KENTUCKY, WAKE FOREST, AUBURN, MIAMI AND TENNESSEE!!!!

And Rutgers hasn't accomplished a third of that much.

Okay great. UAB has never lost a coach. Congratulations. Does that make them a higher profile than a program like Rutgers?

There maybe a handful of destination jobs in college bb, but UAB aint one of them.

I never said they were ... you obviously cannot read.
of course, facts don't mean anything to you either, so reading comprehension is not that big of a deal anyway. It's pretty obvious I could slice you and dice you with them like a freaking blender and you'd still spout the same braindead line ...