Claw Wrote:"Profile" is a funny thing. In the south, UAB does have a higher profile than Rutgers. Regional profile can be a deceptive thing. Being in the big media markets of the east coast can really blur then lines between one's regional and national profile, but they exist just the same.

The last time substantial numbers of Tennesse folks watched a Rutgers team compete on television was when they beat Union University of Jackson, Tennessee on College Bowl in 1960. At 215 to 170, it was a heartbreaker for Union.

But Rutgers has a much higher profile than UAB in the North with all of its large media centers.
You guys can say what you want, but Rutgers is a higher profile program than UAB. If you asked anyone in Upstate NY who is UAB, many folks will not even know who or what your talking about.

Flying Mouse Wrote:

Quote:What you seem to not realize is that the BE has several schools who are legitimate programs to win the national championship in bb. Cuse, Uconn, louisville, Cincy, Villanova, Pitt etc.... Those coaches at those schools arent going anywhere. Where would they go for a higher profile program? The NBA is the only thing I can think of.

Pitt, I believe, has lost their coach to another program recently and I don't recall them ever being a legit national title contender.

You are showing your age and ignorance. Pitt's coach went to Stanford after Pitt decided they wouldn't extend his contract because he does boneheaded stuff like the slide at Conn. He was pushed out, he didn't leave for a better job. If I am correct I believe the job at Stanford pays slightly less than he was making at Pitt. As for being a contender, Pitt won the national title in 1976 and was 33-3 from 1979-1981. We have been down for awhile but Pitt is among the all time leaders in All Americans, NFL draft choices, and national titles. (Pitt claims 9, most recognize 6.) Unfortunately the institutional support for the football program runs hot and cold. Through the 90's the University didn't support the program worth crap and the results on the field showed it. Our present Chancellor, Mark Nordenburg, recognizes that a good football program can be a tremndous asset to the school and a fine form of free advertising. Harris was pushed out because he thought 8-9 wins a season was great. The administration wants more. The pieces are in place, facilities, coaches, and players. In 2 years Pitt will be a power to be reconned with.

Can't we just turn our focus to the Big East? Isn't this a Big East board? Half the stuff I read on here is about the Liberty Bowl or Conference USA. Doesn't Conference USA have their own board? No offense but I really don't care about what's going on at Memphis, or UAB or Southern Miss. Most of the Big East schools have never played any of these teams and probably won't be in the future.

Woodycuse Wrote:Can't we just turn our focus to the Big East? Isn't this a Big East board? Half the stuff I read on here is about the Liberty Bowl or Conference USA. Doesn't Conference USA have their own board? No offense but I really don't care about what's going on at Memphis, or UAB or Southern Miss. Most of the Big East schools have never played any of these teams and probably won't be in the future.

The Liberty Bowl is a big deal. It has fanned the emotional flames of CUSA fans who mistakenly dreamed their reformed conference was as good as or better than the reconfigured Big East. Imagine if the ACC, after taking Miami and Va Tech, also took the Big East’s BCS berth to the ACC and the GMAC bowl was the best the New Big East champ could hope for. Our leagues are undeniably entwined until this thing passes and the fact that this network hosts the most active boards for both makes these exchanges unavoidable.

L-yes Wrote:

Woodycuse Wrote:Can't we just turn our focus to the Big East? Isn't this a Big East board? Half the stuff I read on here is about the Liberty Bowl or Conference USA. Doesn't Conference USA have their own board? No offense but I really don't care about what's going on at Memphis, or UAB or Southern Miss. Most of the Big East schools have never played any of these teams and probably won't be in the future.

The Liberty Bowl is a big deal. It has fanned the emotional flames of CUSA fans who mistakenly dreamed their reformed conference was as good as or better than the reconfigured Big East. Imagine if the ACC, after taking Miami and Va Tech, also took the Big East’s BCS berth to the ACC and the GMAC bowl was the best the New Big East champ could hope for. Our leagues are undeniably entwined until this thing passes and the fact that this network hosts the most active boards for both makes these exchanges unavoidable.

The Liberty Bowl is not that big of a deal to most of the Big East. It might be everything to the C USA folks, but I could be wrong here, but I just don't think the old guard schools like WVU, Pitt, Syracuse care. The BCS games are the ones that matter. There are so many minor bowl games out there that it really doesn't matter to most of the schools which one we are aligned with. I'm sure Louisville feels differently due to proximity, but think bigger now. New years day games, Gator Bowls, huge out of conference games, new rivalries within the conference, things like that.

Woodycuse Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:

Woodycuse Wrote:Can't we just turn our focus to the Big East? Isn't this a Big East board? Half the stuff I read on here is about the Liberty Bowl or Conference USA. Doesn't Conference USA have their own board? No offense but I really don't care about what's going on at Memphis, or UAB or Southern Miss. Most of the Big East schools have never played any of these teams and probably won't be in the future.

The Liberty Bowl is a big deal. It has fanned the emotional flames of CUSA fans who mistakenly dreamed their reformed conference was as good as or better than the reconfigured Big East. Imagine if the ACC, after taking Miami and Va Tech, also took the Big East’s BCS berth to the ACC and the GMAC bowl was the best the New Big East champ could hope for. Our leagues are undeniably entwined until this thing passes and the fact that this network hosts the most active boards for both makes these exchanges unavoidable.

The Liberty Bowl is not that big of a deal to most of the Big East. It might be everything to the C USA folks, but I could be wrong here, but I just don't think the old guard schools like WVU, Pitt, Syracuse care. The BCS games are the ones that matter. There are so many minor bowl games out there that it really doesn't matter to most of the schools which one we are aligned with. I'm sure Louisville feels differently due to proximity, but think bigger now. New years day games, Gator Bowls, huge out of conference games, new rivalries within the conference, things like that.

Woody the UC, USF and UofL fans have taken a beating over this realignment for the past 2 years. The Liberty Bowl in the grand scheme is not a big deal but it is a nice feather in the Big East cap.

Adding the Liberty Bowl will give the Big East 3 Bowls that are worth between 1.1-1.5 Million in the Liberty, Sun and Gator Bowls in additon with the 14-17 Million the Big East will receive from it BCS Bowl Bid and that is not including the bowl game in Charlotte is looking to up it payout as well.

The C-USA fans are scared right now and I don't blame them. They are on the verge of losing their biggest payout bowl in the Liberty and they now have not many options left. They are just venting their frustration, it will pass and we can focus on the games like the UofL-WVU, UofL-Pitt, WVU-SU, Pitt-SU, WVU-Pitt ect.

Fifteen million dollars facility allows you to compete with Miami and Penn State toe-to-toe.


<a href='http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050809/NEWS/508090383/1254' target='_blank'>$15 million </a>

Maize Wrote:

Woodycuse Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:

Woodycuse Wrote:Can't we just turn our focus to the Big East? Isn't this a Big East board? Half the stuff I read on here is about the Liberty Bowl or Conference USA. Doesn't Conference USA have their own board? No offense but I really don't care about what's going on at Memphis, or UAB or Southern Miss. Most of the Big East schools have never played any of these teams and probably won't be in the future.

The Liberty Bowl is a big deal. It has fanned the emotional flames of CUSA fans who mistakenly dreamed their reformed conference was as good as or better than the reconfigured Big East. Imagine if the ACC, after taking Miami and Va Tech, also took the Big East’s BCS berth to the ACC and the GMAC bowl was the best the New Big East champ could hope for. Our leagues are undeniably entwined until this thing passes and the fact that this network hosts the most active boards for both makes these exchanges unavoidable.

The Liberty Bowl is not that big of a deal to most of the Big East. It might be everything to the C USA folks, but I could be wrong here, but I just don't think the old guard schools like WVU, Pitt, Syracuse care. The BCS games are the ones that matter. There are so many minor bowl games out there that it really doesn't matter to most of the schools which one we are aligned with. I'm sure Louisville feels differently due to proximity, but think bigger now. New years day games, Gator Bowls, huge out of conference games, new rivalries within the conference, things like that.

Woody the UC, USF and UofL fans have taken a beating over this realignment for the past 2 years. The Liberty Bowl in the grand scheme is not a big deal but it is a nice feather in the Big East cap.

Adding the Liberty Bowl will give the Big East 3 Bowls that are worth between 1.1-1.5 Million in the Liberty, Sun and Gator Bowls in additon with the 14-17 Million the Big East will receive from it BCS Bowl Bid and that is not including the bowl game in Charlotte is looking to up it payout as well.

The C-USA fans are scared right now and I don't blame them. They are on the verge of losing their biggest payout bowl in the Liberty and they now have not many options left. They are just venting their frustration, it will pass and we can focus on the games like the UofL-WVU, UofL-Pitt, WVU-SU, Pitt-SU, WVU-Pitt ect.

Point taken. I just think we have hammered every angle on the Liberty Bowl and need to focus on other things. As an SU fan I am just not really interested in anything to do with Conference USA, past or present. It's not that I don't think bowls like the Liberty aren't worth talking about, but I have been to the Fiesta Bowl to watch Syracuse. I would like to go to the Sugar or Orange or Rose. I don't kow if it will ever happen but it might. Time to focus on the conference games.

Agreed, can't wait for the action to turn towards the field. Looking forward to the first weekend games especially UofL vs. UK and the WVU-SU game in the Carrier Dome.