(07-22-2011 08:20 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 08:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 06:30 PM)GoGold Wrote:  

(07-21-2011 05:41 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(07-21-2011 04:30 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  The legalization,control and taxation of Cannabis would be a simpler and cheap solution to much of the violence and would generate billions of dollars in needed revenue

And would open the door to harder drugs, and would do nothing as an example to the kids that drug use is bad for you.

The first gateway drug is alcohol. Over 90% of the people on drugs harder than Cannabis first used alcohol.

At least a couple of countries in Europe have legalize Cannabis and it has been a huge success. Drug use across the board is down, drug use among the underaged has reduced even more.

The only danger that Cannabis poses to America is the fact it is illegal. It is utter nonsense to use this plant as the basis for spending billions upon of billions of dollars in a useless and dangerous drug war.

Trying to compare the danger of Alcohol to Cannabis is like comparing Satan to Jesus.

There's no reason for pot to be illegal. The only reason it still is illegal is due to fundamental religious types on the right who want the law to be based on their interpretation of god's will.

You are too ignorant to know what you posted is fact. With you a little knowledge (and I mean a very little knowledge) is dangerous. Catastrophic.

(07-22-2011 08:29 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 08:26 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 08:20 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 08:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 06:30 PM)GoGold Wrote:  The first gateway drug is alcohol. Over 90% of the people on drugs harder than Cannabis first used alcohol.

At least a couple of countries in Europe have legalize Cannabis and it has been a huge success. Drug use across the board is down, drug use among the underaged has reduced even more.

The only danger that Cannabis poses to America is the fact it is illegal. It is utter nonsense to use this plant as the basis for spending billions upon of billions of dollars in a useless and dangerous drug war.

Trying to compare the danger of Alcohol to Cannabis is like comparing Satan to Jesus.

There's no reason for pot to be illegal except for the fundamental religious types on the right who want the law to be based on their interpretation of god's will.

Oh...There is a reason more important. MONEY. Keeping Cannabis illegal is the way the system self perpetuates itself. It is the fuel for the drug war.

I'm not that familiar with the cannabis industry. So which system are you referring to?

I am referring to the amount of income going after cannabis generates for the legal system. It is simply the life blood of the drug war.

(07-22-2011 08:38 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 08:29 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 08:26 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 08:20 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 08:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  The only danger that Cannabis poses to America is the fact it is illegal. It is utter nonsense to use this plant as the basis for spending billions upon of billions of dollars in a useless and dangerous drug war.

Trying to compare the danger of Alcohol to Cannabis is like comparing Satan to Jesus.

There's no reason for pot to be illegal except for the fundamental religious types on the right who want the law to be based on their interpretation of god's will.

Oh...There is a reason more important. MONEY. Keeping Cannabis illegal is the way the system self perpetuates itself. It is the fuel for the drug war.

I'm not that familiar with the cannabis industry. So which system are you referring to?

I am referring to the amount of income going after cannabis generates for the legal system. It is simply the life blood of the drug war.

Interesting. I'll have to study up on that.

(07-22-2011 08:05 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 06:47 PM)T-Monay820 Wrote:  

(07-21-2011 11:22 PM)TOGC Wrote:  That would make it the second longest man-made barrier other than the Great Wall of China, which took centuries to build.

You know this fact is irrelevant to this context.

No, it's relevant. The border fence is a retarded idea promoted by retarded people.

The fact that the Great Wall took centuries to build is a reason not to build a fence between the US and Mexico? Cause I'm sure when the contractors put in bids to build the fence, they will have to budget enough money and time for all those peasant slaves to mix the mud and hay together to make the individual handpacked bricks. Get your head out of your ass and stop your trolling.

(07-21-2011 10:44 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-21-2011 09:58 PM)T-Monay820 Wrote:  Screw walls. Two words: Land mines.

No wall...No land mines...No moats with lasersharks.....END the drug war...END the Welfare State...problem solved....countless Billions saved.

Actually, all you have to do is get rid of the minimum wage. That would take care of the problem. The jobs they take now at under $10/hour would be cut in half making it not worthwhile for them to come or stay.

Want a sign that our economy is in the shitter? Illegal immigration is now a net even. Meaning that the amount of people coming over the border is equal to those leaving for Mexico.

(07-22-2011 07:10 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 01:20 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-21-2011 03:10 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You know what they say about a fool and his money.

Aren't illegal border crossings down dramatically compared to a few years ago?

And NO, I don't buy the propaganda that agents were ordered not to arrest them!

Of course they are down. When there are no jobs to be had, they either stay home or go home. Not to mention, many of the warehouse type jobs have been paying less and less to the point where it may not be worthwhile for them to make the trek to the north.

Obama's economic policies are better than any fence in curbing border crossings.

Yeah, it is Obama's policies that are keeping them out.

(07-22-2011 07:21 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-21-2011 11:22 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(07-21-2011 02:45 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Arizona wants to use donations to build a fence to keep out the illegals and drug and human smugglers. I say GREAT!

Please donate and send the link to your friends. I sent in my $50.00

Build that friggin border fence NOW!

or

https://www.buildtheborderfence.com/azbo...ndex.xhtml

Hey Rob, they're going to use prisoners to build the fence, that means those cons are learning skills to use on the outside. This is one of those win-win scenarios that even you could pony up a few beans for.

The border fence is a retarded idea promoted by retarded people.

We have a 1,969 mile long border with Mexico. That would make it the second longest man-made barrier other than the Great Wall of China, which took centuries to build.

When you consider that our Constitutional and governmental welfare state give travelers the incentive to to come across the border and stay....it does seem rather retarded for that same government to steal money from its citizens to put up a wall to prevent something It causes.

Attacking the root causes of a problem is never a governmental option. It always looks to solve problems by expansion of federal power. That is just the nature of the beast. Eventually....it will all come crashing down. It is simply inevitable.

That's strange. I always thought it was the availability of jobs that are the incentive to come across the border and stay. Of course the government won't attack the root cause, it hurts business.

(07-23-2011 12:59 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Want a sign that our economy is in the shitter? Illegal immigration is now a net even. Meaning that the amount of people coming over the border is equal to those leaving for Mexico.

How do they count them?

(07-23-2011 01:11 AM)RobertN Wrote:  That's strange. I always thought it was the availability of jobs that are the incentive to come across the border and stay. Of course the government won't attack the root cause, it hurts business.

If the "birther" threads didn't convince you that conservatives were retarded, this one should definitely do the job.

(07-23-2011 01:11 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 07:21 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-21-2011 11:22 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(07-21-2011 02:45 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Arizona wants to use donations to build a fence to keep out the illegals and drug and human smugglers. I say GREAT!

Please donate and send the link to your friends. I sent in my $50.00

Build that friggin border fence NOW!

or

https://www.buildtheborderfence.com/azbo...ndex.xhtml

Hey Rob, they're going to use prisoners to build the fence, that means those cons are learning skills to use on the outside. This is one of those win-win scenarios that even you could pony up a few beans for.

The border fence is a retarded idea promoted by retarded people.

We have a 1,969 mile long border with Mexico. That would make it the second longest man-made barrier other than the Great Wall of China, which took centuries to build.

When you consider that our Constitutional and governmental welfare state give travelers the incentive to to come across the border and stay....it does seem rather retarded for that same government to steal money from its citizens to put up a wall to prevent something It causes.

Attacking the root causes of a problem is never a governmental option. It always looks to solve problems by expansion of federal power. That is just the nature of the beast. Eventually....it will all come crashing down. It is simply inevitable.

That's strange. I always thought it was the availability of jobs that are the incentive to come across the border and stay. Of course the government won't attack the root cause, it hurts business.

The fact that a child born on US soil becomes a citizen and our government hands out social welfare benefits to illegals is the root cause of the problem. WTF did migrants do before socialist like you decided to give them benefits? They worked the harvests and then went the hell back home.

The US has always had a few racist right-wingers trying to keep out certain nationalities. In the past, it was the Irish or the Chinese. Now it's the Mexicans.

To hell with conservatives. Immigration made this country great.

(07-23-2011 08:21 AM)TOGC Wrote:  The US has always had a few racist right-wingers trying to keep out certain nationalities. In the past, it was the Irish or the Chinese. Now it's the Mexicans.

To hell with conservatives. Immigration made this country great.

We have an immigration process.

Why do you promote criminal activity?

(07-23-2011 08:23 AM)Smaug Wrote:  We have a racist immigration process.

FIFY

(07-23-2011 08:29 AM)TOGC Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 08:23 AM)Smaug Wrote:  We have a racist immigration process.

FIFY

Hogwash....The US immigration policies are not even as harsh as Mexico's.

(07-23-2011 08:29 AM)TOGC Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 08:23 AM)Smaug Wrote:  We have a racist immigration process.

FIFY

Then lets fix that. Hell, let's streamline the hell out of the mutha. Fill out the form, pay the fee, pass the test. No way it should take 10 years and cost 10s of thousands of dollars.

Still doesn't excuse criminal activity.

(07-23-2011 08:32 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 08:29 AM)TOGC Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 08:23 AM)Smaug Wrote:  We have a racist immigration process.

FIFY

Then lets fix that. Hell, let's streamline the hell out of the mutha. Fill out the form, pay the fee, pass the test. No way it should take 10 years and cost 10s of thousands of dollars.

Still doesn't excuse criminal activity.

There is nothing to fix in regard to the policy being racist. TOGC is being hyperbolic. I does though need to be streamlined and a path to citizenship be fast tracked.

No one talks about building a wall on the US-Canadian border. You're damn right it's racist.

(07-23-2011 08:39 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 08:32 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 08:29 AM)TOGC Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 08:23 AM)Smaug Wrote:  We have a racist immigration process.

FIFY

Then lets fix that. Hell, let's streamline the hell out of the mutha. Fill out the form, pay the fee, pass the test. No way it should take 10 years and cost 10s of thousands of dollars.

Still doesn't excuse criminal activity.

There is nothing to fix in regard to the policy being racist. TOGC is being hyperbolic. I does though need to be streamlined and a path to citizenship be fast tracked.

Actually, other greg has a point. More specifically, the naturalization process is exponentially harder for non-English speakers than for English speakers. This wouldn't be that big a deal, (at least to me) if we had an official language, but since we don't...

(07-23-2011 08:46 AM)TOGC Wrote:  No one talks about building a wall on the US-Canadian border. You're damn right it's racist.

Odd. Are Canadians rushing the border willy nilly to the tune of hundreds of thousands a year?