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RE: Mosque at 9/11 Ground Zero?
Sorry BGSU and Mach, sometimes it is OK just to say "ya know what, that's just a bad idea."
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(05-28-2010 12:07 PM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote:  
(05-28-2010 11:45 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(05-28-2010 10:46 AM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote:  Torch: On what grounds should the zoning board not approve it?

Zoning boards in NYC need grounds?

Are you seriously asking that question?

Yes, and yes.
THe grounds are that fundamentalist Christian Torchy HATES Muslims and he said they shouldn't build it there. THat should be grounds enough. 03-lmfao
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(05-28-2010 12:25 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  This is what seperates us. I look at it like an insurance policy and a good one at that. If it keeps the nutso radicals from trying to strike at our financial heart beat. Build that and put a Buddha palace right next door.
There is no point in trying to convince them. They HATE Mislims. Some of these guys even said we should ship Muslims out of the country, keep Muslims from moving here, etc. Not exactly rational voices.
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(05-28-2010 12:50 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(05-28-2010 12:25 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  This is what seperates us. I look at it like an insurance policy and a good one at that. If it keeps the nutso radicals from trying to strike at our financial heart beat. Build that and put a Buddha palace right next door.
There is no point in trying to convince them. They HATE Mislims. Some of these guys even said we should ship Muslims out of the country, keep Muslims from moving here, etc. Not exactly rational voices.

...apparently not as much as your whacked out mind hates Christians.
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(05-28-2010 12:54 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(05-28-2010 12:50 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(05-28-2010 12:25 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  This is what seperates us. I look at it like an insurance policy and a good one at that. If it keeps the nutso radicals from trying to strike at our financial heart beat. Build that and put a Buddha palace right next door.
There is no point in trying to convince them. They HATE Mislims. Some of these guys even said we should ship Muslims out of the country, keep Muslims from moving here, etc. Not exactly rational voices.

...apparently not as much as your whacked out mind hates Christians.
I don't hate Christians. I hate fundamental Christians such as Torchy. I hate fundamentalist Muslims. I hate fundamentalist Jewish people. I hate fundamentalist Atheists.
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My Point Exactly.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/29/world/...pstan.html

Attackers Hit Mosques of Islamic Sect in Pakistan

By JANE PERLEZ and WAQAR GILLANI

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Gunmen and suicide bombers stormed two mosques belonging to a minority sect during Friday Prayer in Lahore, seizing hostages and killing at least 70 worshipers and wounding 78, the city coordinating officer said.

More than three hours after the attacks began, the police took control of the mosques, where they found bodies strewn across the main floors and verandas, the coordinating officer, Sajjad Dhutta, said.

At one of the mosques dozens of men survived by scurrying down a narrow passage and then hiding in the basement as the ordeal unfolded, said Abdul Salam Arshad, 56, a retired civil servant who was in the mosque and emerged unscathed.

“Suddenly at the start of the sermon, six or seven people came in,” Mr. Arshad said. “Some threw grenades and entered the main hall shooting. We could hear it going on above us.”

The attacks, which took place within minutes of each other at the mosques located a few miles apart, were clearly aimed at the Ahmadi community, which considers itself Muslim but is severely discriminated against under Pakistani law. Pakistan does not recognize the Ahmadi sect as part of Islam.

Geo TV, a leading news channel in Pakistan, reported that members of the Punjab branch of the Pakistani Taliban were claiming responsibility for the attacks. The Punjab branch is composed mainly of formerly state-sponsored sectarian groups, including Lashkar-e-Jangvi and Jaish-e-Mohammed, which have joined forces with the Taliban.

Another survivor, Munawar Shahid, an official of the Ahmadi community, hid in his office next to the mosque during the attack.

“Everybody is trying to save their life,” Mr. Shahid said on his cellphone as gunfire rattled around him.

One mosque is located near the city’s main rail station; the other, a three-story flat-roofed building, is in Model Town, an upscale neighborhood, and can hold about 4,000 worshipers, according to Habiba Nosheen, a journalist who has prayed there.

Eyewitnesses outside the mosque near the rail station said they could see three attackers. One of them clambered up to the minaret and shot down at police officers, who fired back, they said. Two other attackers blew themselves up in the main hall, said Shahbaz Ahmad, who watched the standoff.

The assaults were almost certainly orchestrated by Islamic extremists who had issued harsh threats against the Ahmadi sect for the past two years, said I. A. Rehman, the executive director of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan.

“These extremists are not tolerating any other community, including Ahmadis, and it seems the government has failed to control them,” Mr. Rehman said.

The State Department report on Human Rights said this year that the estimated two million Ahmadis were forbidden by law from engaging in Muslim practices. The report said 11 Ahmadis were killed last year in Pakistan because of their faith.

Live broadcasts of the attacks in Lahore were notable Friday for omitting that Ahmadis consider themselves Muslims. Reporters and commentators rarely referred to the Ahmadis by name, preferring instead the phrase “minority community.”
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(05-28-2010 01:12 PM)RobertN Wrote:  I hate ... I hate ... I hate ... I hate ...

Robert in a nutshell.
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As a total believer in private property rights...I have a problem with anyone being able dictate to the owner of this tract what can and can not be built on this his property. I understand that there are building codes(that is another whole discussion)..but..beyond that..It really is no ones business. I understand the grieving families and my heart goes out to them...but...If my wife dies in a highway accident by criminal drunk driver I am not going to be allowed to put up a monument to her death beside the highway...and in this case we are talking about public land.

What the hell happened to private property rights in America? Whatever the owner decides to do at ground zero is fine with me...regardless of how much I personally disapprove of it. It is not my decision to make.
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Property rights or not, would they allow the building that MLK was shot from to be purchased by the Klan and used as the national headquarters?
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When I can build a synagogue next to Mecca, only then. The white guilt is bringing down the country.
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This is akin to planting a flag after you capture some territory, it shows they've won. If the situation was reversed the left in this country would call it insensitive and politically incorrect - kinda like wearing an American flag on cico de mayo.

And what country was it, Switzerland or Sweden that passed a ban on building new mosques? They want to keep their culture and landscape intact. In this country the left wants to respect the cultures of others while they dismantle ours.

I've said this before and I'll say it again - 100 years from now this country will be Spanish speaking and 200 years from now it will be Muslim. Want proof, look towards Europe, it's already happening there.
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Guys, Guys, Guys, Guys, Guys


It's a great message, they didn't conquer shite...... and we show out of hate comes tolerance............................ It's Zen like.
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the more I think about it....... the more I like it................ Hell Do a "Lost" church at the site.......................
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hate breeds hate.................. we stop the cycle....................
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(05-28-2010 03:42 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Guys, Guys, Guys, Guys, Guys


It's a great message, they didn't conquer shite...... and we show out of hate comes tolerance............................ It's Zen like.

It's not a message the US is sending. It's not a message I want to see.

The message that mosques sent out after opening their doors in the days after 9/11 was ... leveraging the tragic attack of their co-religionists as a recruitment tool.
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(05-28-2010 12:15 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It destroys a powerful message they use against us. "We can not tolerate their way of life". We are Crusaders. Demolishes their argument and takes fuel from their cause.

i agree. we stand together. all of us, no matter what walks of life we're from.
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Its a terrible idea... the only one worse in HISTORY is the dome of the rock and I look forward to the day that it is destroyed. Both locations have purpose for those that support Islame.
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(05-28-2010 08:36 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  Any opinions?

Yeah. Hell no!

Would you people PLEASE get a copy of the Koran and read it. The continuing ignorance about Islam astounds me.

Read Muhammad. The terrorists are. They aren't practicing some twisted religion. They are following the commands of their prophet.

Everyone who continues with this line of reasoning that being nice and making gestures toward Islam will change their view of us is simply not paying attention and are horribly, terribly wrong.

Are you all truly not listening to them when they speak?

Google free Koran and get one.
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