I wouldn't quite call myself a liberal. I'm more of an Indy that voted for a Dem this time. My real heart lies with a system that has more than two parties just like Canada (well almost like Canada). But yeah RobertN is more of an über liberal. I can't say I would have a beer with that cat.

(02-19-2009 10:51 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I wouldn't quite call myself a liberal. I'm more of an Indy that voted for a Dem this time. My real heart lies with a system that has more than two parties just like Canada (well almost like Canada). But yeah RobertN is more of an über liberal. I can't say I would have a beer with that cat.

I'd have a beer with Robert but I'd probably have to go to Gaza to do it. (just kidding RN) Hell, I'd probably have a beer with everyone in this forum unless they're a Dallas Cowboy fan. In fact, I'm going to get a beer right now.

(02-19-2009 10:46 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-19-2009 10:37 PM)jh Wrote:  

(02-19-2009 09:40 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-19-2009 08:46 PM)jh Wrote:  

(02-19-2009 08:51 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Here is a thought experiment. A new private college just opened up in the free market of education. It refuses to take any governmental funding and is supported only by private donors. It also refuses to accept tuition payments from government sources..ie scholarships and grants....Should it be able to decide who it admits into the school based upon whatever criteria it chooses?

Yes, distasteful though I may find their criteria to be.

I concur(and I also think it is distasteful)....but....If we agree on this principle of private property rights....Then should not an business owner be allowed the same respect of his property in regard to who they hire,do business with and the establishment of premises rules...as long as they serve notice as to their policies?

I bring these questions up not to be argumentative...but...to explore philosophically the concept of "private property" as a principle.

I believe it is possible that man could evolve into a voluntary society based on private property rights and adherence to the principle of non aggression.
The exploration of these ideas lead to some very uncomfortable questions for me....for example...
Should the government be involved in the private property rights of a business owner even if they choose to discriminate as long as they are not using force or coercion in their activities?

Any thoughts?

In general I do believe that business should have the right to discriminate (though I do not believe that they should do so). Generally there are enough alternatives that an individual business discriminating against a particular class of people does not affect their lives in any meaningful way.

The question becomes more problematic if the discrimination is so widespread that it does so. In those cases government intervention might be justified, particularly if the government has contributed to the problem in the past.

I'm not sure there's a hard & fast rule for determining when a situation crosses into the later category (I do believe it's extremely rare in the modern American society).

I agree....I wonder though about how discrimination could become so widespread that other business models could be restrained from meeting demands of the discriminated?....I can't think of any(and I don't claim to be smart)....suggestion?

I doubt that one could emerge now, at least not here. I'm not sure that government intervention wasn't justified during the start of the civil rights movement. In that case I do believe that the discrimination was (probably) widepread enough, and the government complict in establishing such conditions, to qualify.

(02-19-2009 10:51 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I wouldn't quite call myself a liberal. I'm more of an Indy that voted for a Dem this time. My real heart lies with a system that has more than two parties just like Canada (well almost like Canada). But yeah RobertN is more of an über liberal. I can't say I would have a beer with that cat.

You get the free market and it's ability to self-regulate....That's one step towards being an Anarchocapitalist.

(02-19-2009 10:49 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-19-2009 10:19 PM)Rebel Wrote:  I'd say it's not only cultural, but political. Even though Nomad and CB are liberals, and black, I'd sit down with them for a beer any day of the week before I'd be in any room with someone like RobertN.

I think I've said this before but I'd prefer to have a beer with Obama rather than McC. Obama's probably not a bad guy, I just disagree with his politics. But if I wanted to go whoring there's no other guy better to be with than Bill Clinton.

I think you need to get a young JFK and Bill Clinton and ho hop. Now FWIW I would definitely go to a bar with GWB because he just seems like the average guy that you see at wal-mart. Hell, he may even be the guy who gets wasted and rides the bull.

(02-19-2009 11:10 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(02-19-2009 10:49 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-19-2009 10:19 PM)Rebel Wrote:  I'd say it's not only cultural, but political. Even though Nomad and CB are liberals, and black, I'd sit down with them for a beer any day of the week before I'd be in any room with someone like RobertN.

I think I've said this before but I'd prefer to have a beer with Obama rather than McC. Obama's probably not a bad guy, I just disagree with his politics. But if I wanted to go whoring there's no other guy better to be with than Bill Clinton.

I think you need to get a young JFK and Bill Clinton and ho hop. Now FWIW I would definitely go to a bar with GWB because he just seems like the average guy that you see at wal-mart. Hell, he may even be the guy who gets wasted and rides the bull.

Brings up a good question...What person in US history would you like to sit down and have a few beers with?

Ill go with someone historically interesting and known to be fun...Ben Franklin

(02-19-2009 11:47 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Brings up a good question...What person in US history would you like to sit down and have a few beers with?

Ill go with someone historically interesting and known to be fun...Ben Franklin

Davy Crockett.

Besides those two I would think I would hang with Bob Marley. Besides the usage of herb, he seemed like a fun guy.

(02-20-2009 12:01 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(02-19-2009 11:47 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Brings up a good question...What person in US history would you like to sit down and have a few beers with?

Ill go with someone historically interesting and known to be fun...Ben Franklin

Davy Crockett.

(02-20-2009 12:01 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(02-19-2009 11:47 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Brings up a good question...What person in US history would you like to sit down and have a few beers with?

Ill go with someone historically interesting and known to be fun...Ben Franklin

Davy Crockett.

Not bad....Like Lewis and Clark....lots of stories of discovery.

It just caught me off guard.

(02-20-2009 12:05 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Besides those two I would think I would hang with Bob Marley. Besides the usage of herb, he seemed like a fun guy.

Bob from the US?....OK by me....but NOT without the ganga!

(02-20-2009 12:09 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  It just caught me off guard.

Have you read about Davy Crockett? Aside from school-book stories and cute little jingles? Sometimes an extreme grasp of common sense trumps "book-learning". He had that.

I know about him. My old roomate told me a Davy Crocket joke and it tickled me when i saw the name again

(02-20-2009 12:10 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-20-2009 12:05 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Besides those two I would think I would hang with Bob Marley. Besides the usage of herb, he seemed like a fun guy.

Bob from the US?....OK by me....but NOT without the ganga!

Pothead hippy.

(02-20-2009 12:10 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-20-2009 12:05 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Besides those two I would think I would hang with Bob Marley. Besides the usage of herb, he seemed like a fun guy.

Bob from the US?....OK by me....but NOT without the ganga!

Oh the ganja will be there, just not in front of cameras. But yeah he is a good story teller if nothing else.

(02-20-2009 12:30 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(02-20-2009 12:10 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-20-2009 12:05 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Besides those two I would think I would hang with Bob Marley. Besides the usage of herb, he seemed like a fun guy.

Bob from the US?....OK by me....but NOT without the ganga!

Pothead hippy.

You talking about be or Bob?...I'm a former user of cannabis but was no hippy.

(02-19-2009 08:49 PM)jh Wrote:  

(02-19-2009 08:35 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-19-2009 12:30 AM)jh Wrote:  All colleges, other than the historically black ones, are historically white.

Once again, people mix up race and culture.

"Historically white" in this case means that universities descened from a European tradition. It is a cultural thing, not a racial thing.

No, in this context historically white means they historically only let white people in. Which is why there was a need for the historically black colleges in the first place.

Many colleges were founded and led by abolitionists or avowed pacifists. They were integrated from their beginnings. It is completely incorrect to say that "ALL Colleges are historically white".

Robert... I'd have beer with ya, but it would be a Gentleman Jack for me. Was turned on to this stuff over X-Mas break. Good stuff Maynard.

(02-19-2009 10:19 PM)Rebel Wrote:  I'd say it's not only cultural, but political. Even though Nomad and CB are liberals, and black, I'd sit down with them for a beer any day of the week before I'd be in any room with someone like RobertN.

I am so hurt to be left out of the beer line. I mean, I wouldn't be the "Race Pimp" if it wasn't for you.....