(02-18-2009 09:31 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  [quote='SumOfAllFears' pid='4001973' dateline='1234980955']

Quote:WASHINGTON – Attorney General Eric Holder described the United States Wednesday as a nation of cowards on matters of race, saying most Americans avoid discussing unresolved racial issues.

Holder wants discussions, well I'm all for it.

1. For calling me a coward Holder can go **** himself.

2. Any time a white guy talks about race and a person of color disagrees with him why does that automatically label the white dude a racist.

3. Black history month? Which month is White history month? Or Indian? Or whatever?

4. How come we don't have a White Entertainment Channel?

5. Why does the NFL FORCE teams to interview minorities when hiring coaches?

6. What does Affirmative Action do for me?

7. What would happen if someone decided to open a white version of Grambling State University?

8. Will we ever see a white heavy weight boxing champion? How come no one is screaming about a color barrier there?

9. Why is Negro a bad word for whites to use but still used by the NAACP and the United Negro College Fund?

I'd crack up forever if there was a "historically white college" that celebrated being white. Can you say KKK university?

Why can whites not "celebrate being white"? For at least the last several centuries they have much to be proud of, why is it that they can't say that out loud?

Because "Celebrating White" is considered "Klan-Like".

Cerebrating being black, female, gay, Hispanic, Asian, Indian, "transgendered", Muslim, etc., still cool, warranted, and praised.

It's a f-ucked up world. Hey, liberals are in charge. Let's see how it works out. No, I'm NOT optimistic.

Those groups don't celebrate with the exception of GLBT. I think it's more of a situation of being proud of our accomplishments because up until recently there was nothing to be proud of.

Tuskegee Airmen, Something the Lord Made, Men of Honor, .....etc., ALL movies I TRULY enjoyed. Those guys considered themselves American, nomad. Not African-American. I do not believe in hyphenated Americans. Why marginalize yourself? After all your forefathers did for you? Black history month? AMERICAN history is your history. You're as much a part of this country's history as your lilly-white neighbor.

I look at the opportunities today's blacks are offered, and compare it to the accomplishments of the past generation, and sorry, I have no sympathy. I mean, not one f'n bit. Black people have regressed. ....and it's not white peoples' fault, unless you want to blame liberals. During integration they lowered the educational standards on EVERYONE because they didn't think blacks could compete. Liberalism is all about "feelings". It didn't take into account that blacks COULD compete. Hell, black immigrants from Africa are filling our medical schools left and right.

All colleges, other than the historically black ones, are historically white. The reasons why historically black colleges were founded can't be ignored when making these types of comparisons. It's impossible to open a white version of Grambling because whites aren't prohibited from attending regular colleges.

(02-19-2009 12:30 AM)jh Wrote:  All colleges, other than the historically black ones, are historically white. The reasons why historically black colleges were founded can't be ignored when making these types of comparisons. It's impossible to open a white version of Grambling because whites aren't prohibited from attending regular colleges.

Yeah, neither are blacks.

Don't take it as if I'm going against you. I consider myself as American and I don't get up any differently in February as I do at any other time. Black History month was originally made because schools did not ever say anything that black people had ever done. Now I guess it's just symbolic.

(02-19-2009 12:31 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(02-19-2009 12:30 AM)jh Wrote:  All colleges, other than the historically black ones, are historically white. The reasons why historically black colleges were founded can't be ignored when making these types of comparisons. It's impossible to open a white version of Grambling because whites aren't prohibited from attending regular colleges.

Yeah, neither are blacks.

Well it's a good thing noone is talking about opening up an all black college then. As has already been noted, Grambling doesn't restrict it's admissions.

(02-19-2009 12:36 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Don't take it as if I'm going against you. I consider myself as American and I don't get up any differently in February as I do at any other time. Black History month was originally made because schools did not ever say anything that black people had ever done. Now I guess it's just symbolic.

People change, nomad. My father was in the Klan after he came back from Vietnam. That **** ended the same couple of years, I.e., the 70's. We both watched "Something the Lord Made" together. As a younger guy, 35 but 33 at the time, I couldn't tell who was MORE pissed, me or my father. DOCTOR Thomas was screwed over left and right. He did, however, finally get his due.

I guess it's different for us military guys. Promotions in the military are pretty much race-neutral. We don't just get along....we HAVE to get along. We HAVE to co-exist. I have a lot of friends who are black. Regardless of what some of the liberals here, who probably don't, say. Hell, There's only one white guy I keep in contact with from the military....or he keeps in e-mail contact with me, there are about 4 black guys I STILL talk to on the phone. Reggie is here for Warrant advanced course. He was at my house 2 weeks ago.

(02-19-2009 12:42 AM)jh Wrote:  Well it's a good thing noone is talking about opening up an all black college then. As has already been noted, Grambling doesn't restrict it's admissions.

Name me a college that restricts it to white people.

(02-18-2009 11:44 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(02-18-2009 09:31 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  [quote='SumOfAllFears' pid='4001973' dateline='1234980955']

Quote:WASHINGTON – Attorney General Eric Holder described the United States Wednesday as a nation of cowards on matters of race, saying most Americans avoid discussing unresolved racial issues.

Holder wants discussions, well I'm all for it.

1. For calling me a coward Holder can go **** himself.

2. Any time a white guy talks about race and a person of color disagrees with him why does that automatically label the white dude a racist.

3. Black history month? Which month is White history month? Or Indian? Or whatever?

4. How come we don't have a White Entertainment Channel?

5. Why does the NFL FORCE teams to interview minorities when hiring coaches?

6. What does Affirmative Action do for me?

7. What would happen if someone decided to open a white version of Grambling State University?

8. Will we ever see a white heavy weight boxing champion? How come no one is screaming about a color barrier there?

9. Why is Negro a bad word for whites to use but still used by the NAACP and the United Negro College Fund?

I'd crack up forever if there was a "historically white college" that celebrated being white. Can you say KKK university?

You're only looking at things through 2009 glasses. Schools, television channels, NAACP, UNCF, and Affirmative action are all remnants of past societal ills. Everyone was created to give minorities opportunities that were not present at the time. Some of these have been around for over 100 years. It's very difficult to just eliminate some of them. So the analogy is not comparable. Most American colleges are "historically white colleges", and Bravo= WEC

(02-19-2009 12:45 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(02-19-2009 12:42 AM)jh Wrote:  Well it's a good thing noone is talking about opening up an all black college then. As has already been noted, Grambling doesn't restrict it's admissions.

Name me a college that restricts it to white people.

Grambling has never restricted it's admissions ever, Ole Miss can't say that.

(02-19-2009 12:30 AM)jh Wrote:  All colleges, other than the historically black ones, are historically white.

Once again, people mix up race and culture.

"Historically white" in this case means that universities descened from a European tradition. It is a cultural thing, not a racial thing.

If they were successful, that should be a compliment to that culture, and other cultures should respect them...not criticize and tear them down.

The fact that HBCUs are currently in a state of disaster is again a testimony to culture. The culture fosterd at these instutitions is fundamentally flawed. But, they'd rather point to everyone else, instead of accepting valid criticism (another flaw w/ culture).

(02-18-2009 10:53 PM)jh Wrote:  

(02-18-2009 07:39 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-18-2009 02:52 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(02-18-2009 02:02 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  11AM Sunday is the most segragated hour in America.

That and the cafeteria at a college dormatory.

I'm sorry...I respectfully disagree with both sentiments. The things you site as segregation are voluntary. There is nothing wrong with people voluntarily choosing to associate with who ever they wish. Do we now support the government goons deciding our relationships for us?

There's a big difference between something being wrong and believing that the government should do something about it. While I fully support people's right to self segregate I still believe that it is the wrong thing to do.

I understand where you are coming from...I just see it as more of a freedom of association issue than one of segregation.

(02-19-2009 07:46 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  You're only looking at things through 2009 glasses. Schools, television channels, NAACP, UNCF, and Affirmative action are all remnants of past societal ills. Everyone was created to give minorities opportunities that were not present at the time. Some of these have been around for over 100 years. It's very difficult to just eliminate some of them. So the analogy is not comparable.

The analogy is certainly comparable. You say it's "very difficult to just eliminate some of them". That may be true, but it doesn't make it "right".

It's a flawed system that insists on retaining these vestiges of another era...especially since they've been successful in leveling the playing field.

Flawed systems deserve criticism.

The political left should take their own advice: time to MOVE ON.

(02-19-2009 12:30 AM)jh Wrote:  All colleges, other than the historically black ones, are historically white. The reasons why historically black colleges were founded can't be ignored when making these types of comparisons. It's impossible to open a white version of Grambling because whites aren't prohibited from attending regular colleges.

Here is a thought experiment. A new private college just opened up in the free market of education. It refuses to take any governmental funding and is supported only by private donors. It also refuses to accept tuition payments from government sources..ie scholarships and grants....Should it be able to decide who it admits into the school based upon whatever criteria it chooses?

(02-19-2009 07:49 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-19-2009 12:45 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(02-19-2009 12:42 AM)jh Wrote:  Well it's a good thing noone is talking about opening up an all black college then. As has already been noted, Grambling doesn't restrict it's admissions.

Name me a college that restricts it to white people.

Grambling has never restricted it's admissions ever, Ole Miss can't say that.

What year is it? What year was it that James Meredith was admitted to Ole Miss? Ahh, 4 decades ago? Get over it.

I never thought I had a racial problem til I started to "live" in an area that was predominantly black. If I lived there most of my life, check that if I somehow I couldn't escape it, (but I would so that's not part of it either) I would be racist. I know it. The ignorance and poverty. The looking over your back. The reverse discrimination. Just last week ( last Sat. to be exact ) I take my wife out for Valentine's Day. We go to an Applebee's. We put our name on a list. We are told it's a thirty minute wait so we take a seat. 20 minutes into it we hear a server tell the hostess they have a table for two. Just then a young black couple came in, the hostess mouths, are you a party of two. The guy nods yes. She seats them. My wife just walked out. I've been jacked around like this the past year a dozen times. There IS a problem. I think it's socio-economic. Just happens that there are alot of poor black people in Cleveland.

(02-19-2009 09:02 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(02-19-2009 07:49 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-19-2009 12:45 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(02-19-2009 12:42 AM)jh Wrote:  Well it's a good thing noone is talking about opening up an all black college then. As has already been noted, Grambling doesn't restrict it's admissions.

Name me a college that restricts it to white people.

Grambling has never restricted it's admissions ever, Ole Miss can't say that.

What year is it? What year was it that James Meredith was admitted to Ole Miss? Ahh, 4 decades ago? Get over it.

A lot of black people have relatives who went to HBUs when they could NOT attend a "normal" university. Asking black people to turn their back on HBUs because today they are not "needed" is the same as asking a white southerner to turn his back on his family's Confederate history because they lost the war and he should just get over it.

Think about it........