I for one am pulling for Alan Keyes. If he can get the GOP fund raising behind him he would be a strong opponent to Obama and could hold his own in any debates.

You're dreaming.

And you obviously know nothing about Illinois politics. We aren't going to elect some hypocritical right-wing nutjob whose never set foot in the state except for two ill-fated primary runs, where he never got more than six percent of the vote statewide.

Obama will trounce him by at least 30 points.

Oh, look.

Another know it all liberal to tell us exactly how the election is going to turn out!!!

Papa, the only thing getting trounced by 30 points will be your football team- every game.

Do you live in Illinois? No?

Well, I do... lived here most of my life. I know how we vote, and I know that Keyes will get beat by at least a 3-to-1 margin here. Obama is extremely popular here, even downstate, and in order to have a shot of winning a statewide race in Illinois, a Republican had better be pretty moderate. Keyes is from Maryland and an extreme, far-right-fringe politician. That's a losing combo here. We don't give a rat's *** that he once had a TV talk show that had ratings lower than your average dog show. There is only *one* Republican here that holds statewide office, and she is more liberal than about half the Democratic Party.

I know of which I speak here... Obama by 30 points, maybe more.

As for your football crack, have your team win more than three games and *then* talk some smack. As it stands, I fully expect my Cardinals to send your Knights out the MAC door with an ***-whipping in Muncie this season.

Papa Lou BSU Wrote:Do you live in Illinois? No?

Well, I do... lived here most of my life. I know how we vote, and I know that Keyes will get beat by at least a 3-to-1 margin here. Obama is extremely popular here, even downstate, and in order to have a shot of winning a statewide race in Illinois, a Republican had better be pretty moderate. Keyes is from Maryland and an extreme, far-right-fringe politician. That's a losing combo here. We don't give a rat's *** that he once had a TV talk show that had ratings lower than your average dog show. There is only *one* Republican here that holds statewide office, and she is more liberal than about half the Democratic Party.

I know of which I speak here... Obama by 30 points, maybe more.

As for your football crack, have your team win more than three games and *then* talk some smack. As it stands, I fully expect my Cardinals to send your Knights out the MAC door with an ***-whipping in Muncie this season.

I don't think Obama will lose.

I'm just sick of your personal attacks on a GOOD candidate, simply because he is GOP.

When is the last time BSU went 6-2 or higher in the MAC? We did it in our first year.

O'Leary and co. will show the Cardinals a good *** woopin in Muncie.

Papa Lou BSU Wrote:You're dreaming.

And you obviously know nothing about Illinois politics. We aren't going to elect some hypocritical right-wing nutjob whose never set foot in the state except for two ill-fated primary runs, where he never got more than six percent of the vote statewide.

Obama will trounce him by at least 30 points.

Liberal View


Alan Keyes = hypocritical right-wing nutjob


Jessie Jackson = Open Minded honest intellectual
Al Sharpton = Open Minded honest intellectual
Lewis Farakhan (sp) = Open Minded honest intellectual

IF Mr. Keyes runs, he will get most of the Republican vote = 40%
He will do better than the national average (for Republican candidates) with minorities 5%


Keyes 45%
Obama 55%

If he had more time Keyes may have beaten Obama. But I do not understand Illinois politics and the margin of victory for Obama will largely depend on the number of dead people in the Chicago Metro area who cast votes in the election. :roflol:

Papa Lou BSU Wrote:You're dreaming.

And you obviously know nothing about Illinois politics. We aren't going to elect some hypocritical right-wing nutjob whose never set foot in the state except for two ill-fated primary runs, where he never got more than six percent of the vote statewide.

Obama will trounce him by at least 30 points.

Yeah, but you'll elect a left-wing liberal nutjob to office in NYC that had no clue about NY politics. :rolleyes:

Besides Papa Lou, you leftists wouldn't have voted for Keyes anyway, so what does it matter? The Conservatives need a candidate and Keyes is liked. ...of course to you he's an "Uncle Tom", a "House Negro", ....etc. because he doesn't walk lock-step with the rest of the race pimps. God bless Keyes, Herman Cain, JC Watts, Walter Williams, Armstong Williams, Ken Hamblin, and the many more black Americans that have seen the light of your party. ...the party that has done nothing to improve race relations in 40 years.

RebelKev Wrote:

Papa Lou BSU Wrote:You're dreaming.

And you obviously know nothing about Illinois politics. We aren't going to elect some hypocritical right-wing nutjob whose never set foot in the state except for two ill-fated primary runs, where he never got more than six percent of the vote statewide.

Obama will trounce him by at least 30 points.

Yeah, but you'll elect a left-wing liberal nutjob to office in NYC that had no clue about NY politics. :rolleyes:

Besides Papa Lou, you leftists wouldn't have voted for Keyes anyway, so what does it matter? The Conservatives need a candidate and Keyes is liked. ...of course to you he's an "Uncle Tom", a "House Negro", ....etc. because he doesn't walk lock-step with the rest of the race pimps. God bless Keyes, Herman Cain, JC Watts, Walter Williams, Armstong Williams, Ken Hamblin, and the many more black Americans that have seen the light of your party. ...the party that has done nothing to improve race relations in 40 years.

The liberal party is real good at pulling the blinds over the African American community, then screwing them in the process.

What exactly have the democratic party done for the blacks in 20 years?

Bush said it best "The democrats take you for granted, they take your vote for granted"

The Knight Time Wrote:The liberal party is real good at pulling the blinds over the African American community, then screwing them in the process.

Yeah, cause them black people are too stupid to think for themselves, eh Knight Time?

You are a caveman.

THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:I for one am pulling for Alan Keyes. If he can get the GOP fund raising behind him he would be a strong opponent to Obama and could hold his own in any debates.

:rolllol: :lolup: :tomato: :D :roflol:

Schadenfreude Wrote:

The Knight Time Wrote:The liberal party is real good at pulling the blinds over the African American community, then screwing them in the process.

Yeah, cause them black people are too stupid to think for themselves, eh Knight Time?

You are a caveman.

That's what the Democrats hope for.

We, however, want independent-thinking people. The Democrats, who encompass the congressional black caucus, the NAALCP, and other left-wing organizations, don't. Just ask Leo Terrell....a former attorney for the NAALCP. He quit after YEARS of service. Why???? He supported a white, female, Republican judge in California that he had dealt with and supported because he thought she was fair. What happened next? The NAALCP basically demanded that he withdraw his support....in which he did.....for the NAALCP. I admit, I HATED him before he did that as he was ALWAYS on the Hannity and Colmes show arguing liberal policies.

Hey Schad, if the NAALCP is for the advancement of colored people, did/would they support J.C.Watts? Herman Cain? Alan Keyes? No????


Then they are NOT for the effin advancement of colored people, but LIBERAL colored people and should lose their tax-exempt status.

Yeah, right, a Republican named "RebelKev" is going to be an objective source on race relations in American politics... :rolleyes:

Quote:IF Mr. Keyes runs, he will get most of the Republican vote = 40%
He will do better than the national average (for Republican candidates) with minorities 5%


Keyes 45%
Obama 55%

If he had more time Keyes may have beaten Obama. But I do not understand Illinois politics and the margin of victory for Obama will largely depend on the number of dead people in the Chicago Metro area who cast votes in the election.

Now I know you are truly delusional. Keyes never got more than 29 percent of the vote in the Senate races *in his home state*. You think he's going to get 45 percent here? You're high.

And Keyes will not get most of the Republican vote. Not even close. The Tribune, the solidly Republican paper that has never endorsed a Democrat for governor, senator or President, bashed Keyes as a "rent-a-candidate" in their editorial this morning. There were letters from angry Republicans from around the state, who are upset that the State Central Committee bypassed Jim Oberweis, who finished a respectable second in a seven-way primary race to Jack Ryan before Ryan was forced out of the race over a sex scandal. Oberweis is well-liked by Republicans in the state, and owns a popular chain of ice cream restaurants here that bear his family name. These folks will either vote for Obama or will stay home on election day.

Oh, yeah, and two former Repubican governors, Jim Edgar and Jim Thompson, arguably two of the most popular politicians in the history of the state of Illinois, are refusing to endorse Keyes, too.

Not to mention that Keyes' is about the Republicans' 14th choice for the slot, after Jack Ryan, Steve Rauschenberger, Edgar, Thompson, Judy Baar Topinka, Corinne Wood, Al Salvi, Mark Kirk, Jerry Weller, Tom Cross, Kirk Dillard, Elizabeth Gorman, Mike Ditka and Ted Nugent all said "no," because they knew they would lose to Obama.

How funny that all of you that were screaming about Hillary being a "carpet bagger" suddenly have no objections now that it's a guy on your side doing the same thing (actually, what Keyes is doing is far worse.... Hillary bought a house in New York a year before the election, and had to win a primary by the voters of New York state, and then had to win in a general election. Keyes was selected in a smoke-filled room of 19 people and is being placed straight into the general election less than 90 days ahead... Moderates in Illinois, of which there are many, are furious that their votes are being cast aside...)

For a little perspective, Dick Durbin, who is popular here but nowhere near as popular as Obama, won his last Senate race in 2002 with 67 percent of the vote. Look for Obama to get at least that much and perhaps more...

Something else to chew on.... Obama got more votes in the *primary*, where he won a six-way race in commanding fashion, than the entire *field* of Republican candidates did (a field that represented just about every wing of the party). Meaning, that if Obama didn't get a single vote in the general that went to any of his Democratic opponents (which won't happen, the party is united behind him) and even if Keyes got every single vote that went to the entire field of Republican candidates (he won't, for reasons I mentioned above), then Obama would still win, by nearly half a million votes.


Face it, you're out of your depth on this topic and have no frigging clue what you're talking about.

On top of everything else that's been said, your Republican party -- which some of you actually believe is incapable of hypocrisy -- is putting forward a man who four years ago told Fox News the following:

"I deeply resent the destruction of federalism represented by Hillary Clinton's willingness to go into a state she doesn't even live in and pretend to represent people there. So I certainly wouldn't imitate her."

First poll out in Illinois shows a 40-point lead for Obama. Nearly 30 percent of *Republicans* surveyed said they will vote for Obama over Keyes...

<a href='http://cbs2chicago.com/politics/local_story_222175640.html' target='_blank'>http://cbs2chicago.com/politics/local_stor..._222175640.html</a>

Just in case any of you decide to doubt a local's knowledge of Illinois politics in the future...

I actually think those numbers are pretty good for Keyes right out of the blocks.

Nobody expects Keyes to win this race - but the GOP could not allow Obama a free ride through November.

Schadenfreude Wrote:

The Knight Time Wrote:The liberal party is real good at pulling the blinds over the African American community, then screwing them in the process.

Yeah, cause them black people are too stupid to think for themselves, eh Knight Time?

You are a caveman.

Well if you're a democrat, black people are too stupid to vote for themselves, and can't even punch a hole in a ballot.

Of course if you're a democrat you tell black people how to think, otherwise they are "house negros".

Better a caveman than a complete hypocrite, don't you think SF?

Socko Wiethe Wrote:"I deeply resent the destruction of federalism represented by Hillary Clinton's willingness to go into a state she doesn't even live in and pretend to represent people there. So I certainly wouldn't imitate her."

Here in lies the difference.

Hillary moved to NY for the expressed purpose to run for Senate. It was her plan from the beginning.

Keyes was ASKED to run by the Illinois Republican Party.

I know you won't see or acknowledge it, but there is a difference, specifically motive. And I think that's what Keyes was speaking out against.

Papa Lou BSU Wrote:First poll out in Illinois shows a 40-point lead for Obama. Nearly 30 percent of *Republicans* surveyed said they will vote for Obama over Keyes...

<a href='http://cbs2chicago.com/politics/local_story_222175640.html' target='_blank'>http://cbs2chicago.com/politics/local_stor..._222175640.html</a>

Just in case any of you decide to doubt a local's knowledge of Illinois politics in the future...

I doubt that lead will last. Don't get me wrong, I'm not predicting a Keyes win, but I think that as more and more people become familiar with the name "Alan Keyes", the gap will shrink. It's all about name recognition. :bang:

Quote:Here in lies the difference.

Hillary moved to NY for the expressed purpose to run for Senate. It was her plan from the beginning.

Keyes was ASKED to run by the Illinois Republican Party.

I know you won't see or acknowledge it, but there is a difference, specifically motive. And I think that's what Keyes was speaking out against.

My ***. Hillary was not only asked by the Democratic Party of NY, she established residence a year ahead of the election, campaigned throughout the state in the primary and won a primary election, and then converted enough upstate residents in her general election bid.

If anything, what Keyes is doing is worse, parachuting in less than 90 days before the general, taking the decision out of the hands of Illinois Republican voters and into the hands of a few cronies in a state committee meeting. Your rationalization of Keyes' hypocrisy is nothing short of laughable.

Quote:I doubt that lead will last. Don't get me wrong, I'm not predicting a Keyes win, but I think that as more and more people become familiar with the name "Alan Keyes", the gap will shrink. It's all about name recognition

Wanna make a wager on that? That 28 percent is a ceiling, not a floor. The poll also reflects a two-way race, and is not reflective of the healthy number of Republicans who will likely vote Libertarian as their protest vote instead of Keyes. He's proceeded to turn off nearly the entire state in less than 48 hours with his bluster... even some Republicans who supported his candidacy initially are now running for cover so Keyes' crazy ramblings don't cost them statehouse seats in some Republican districts.

And Obama's name recognition around here is way stronger than Keyes'. Dittohead southerners won't be voting in this race, remember.

A local columnist had a good analogy today that may help illustrate this race for you a little bit better... picture the Democrats enlisting, say, Dennis Kucinich or Al Sharpton, to run for Senate at the last minute in a solid-red state like Oklahoma or Alabama, then campaigning around the state on a platform consisting solely of heated pro-choice and gay-rights rhetoric, all while admitting you know nothing about the state and have no desire to learn anything about it, because, dammit, you know what's good for them.

If you can suspend your disbelief and envision such a scenario for a moment, then you know why Keyes' campaign in this solidly-blue state is so ridiculous.

Papa Lou BSU Wrote:Your rationalization of Keyes' hypocrisy is nothing short of laughable.

So is every one of your posts, which is why I get such a chuckle from them. :laugh: