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Herd Fan 4-Life Wrote:
flyingswoosh Wrote:Open your ****** eyes,
Fuq off
i'll do that once you open your ****** eyes.

Watch it, swoosh. No need for that.
01-06-2005 11:02 PM
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GDawgs88 Wrote:I was wrong when I said he's only done one good thing for baseball. He has done more than that. But...

There's still no salary-cap

There's no competetive balance. Don't try to say that there is. I doubt fans in cities like Pittsburgh, Milwaukee and Tampa will listen

We have a tied All-Star game

The steroid issue is still hanging over the game

There are many more bad things that have happened in baseball since Bud took over than good things.
the need for a salary cap showed itself just this season. and i should mention that i am pushing for a high cap, that would only hurt the yankees, something at like 130 mil. i don't want a cap like the NFL. do you not see the freakin mediocrocy in football? when 100% healthy there are only 2 great teams: pats and steelers. aside from that, every team is mediocre. i don't want that kind of a league.

competitive balance? define that. like i mentioned above, mediocrity is not parity. but here's an interesting fact:
# of NFL champions '90-present: 9
# of MLB champions '90-present: 9
Wow that's amazing.
As for the teams you mentioned, well if they spent some money they would be better. it's not they don't have it, it's that they don't spend it. But if you knew about their respective farm systems, you would know that the brewers will be awesome in a couple of years, and so will the pirates. The d-rays have an amazing system also, but they're so cheap, it's incredible.

One messed up all star game, big freakin deal.

lastly, if people in this country weren't so naive, they would be questioning all levels of football and basketball (high school-pro). these kids are freakin enormous.
01-06-2005 11:24 PM
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flyingswoosh Wrote:Pete rose threw games as a manager, and that is the worst thing one can do in baseball.
Prove it.
i can't, but reading between the lines, it does seem pretty obvious.
01-06-2005 11:24 PM
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and i forgot to mention: do you think the salary cap has created "parity" in the NBA? bulls, lakers, celtics. the 90's and early 21st century belonged to the bulls and lakers. no other team had a chance.
01-06-2005 11:27 PM
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flyingswoosh Wrote:
Herd Fan 4-Life Wrote:
flyingswoosh Wrote:Open your ****** eyes,
Fuq off
i'll do that once you open your ****** eyes.
No, you'll do it right now. GTS made the ignore list just for people like you. Go screw yourself, *******.

You are officially ignored. :wave:
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flyingswoosh Wrote:
GDawgs88 Wrote:I was wrong when I said he's only done one good thing for baseball. He has done more than that. But...

There's still no salary-cap

There's no competetive balance. Don't try to say that there is. I doubt fans in cities like Pittsburgh, Milwaukee and Tampa will listen

We have a tied All-Star game

The steroid issue is still hanging over the game

There are many more bad things that have happened in baseball since Bud took over than good things.
the need for a salary cap showed itself just this season. and i should mention that i am pushing for a high cap, that would only hurt the yankees, something at like 130 mil. i don't want a cap like the NFL. do you not see the freakin mediocrocy in football? when 100% healthy there are only 2 great teams: pats and steelers. aside from that, every team is mediocre. i don't want that kind of a league.

competitive balance? define that. like i mentioned above, mediocrity is not parity. but here's an interesting fact:
# of NFL champions '90-present: 9
# of MLB champions '90-present: 9
Wow that's amazing.
As for the teams you mentioned, well if they spent some money they would be better. it's not they don't have it, it's that they don't spend it. But if you knew about their respective farm systems, you would know that the brewers will be awesome in a couple of years, and so will the pirates. The d-rays have an amazing system also, but they're so cheap, it's incredible.

One messed up all star game, big freakin deal.

lastly, if people in this country weren't so naive, they would be questioning all levels of football and basketball (high school-pro). these kids are freakin enormous.
The NFL gives every team a chance to compete. In baseball, you know the Yankees, Red Sox and Braves are going to be good every year. You also know that team like the Brewers and Pirates are going to be terrible. I hate that, because those two cities have a lot of tradtion and deserve to have winning team every now and then. Having a salary cap would also reward teams with good management. I don't think Brian Cashman is a good GM, but he has all the money in the world to spend, so it makes him look good. Imagine how good the A's would be with a GM like Billy Beane if they could spend as much as everyone else. I also don't get what you mean when you say the NFL is full of mediocrity. No, it's called free-agency and a salary cap. But, if you look at the Patriots, it is possible to win consistently in the NFL with a great coach and smart management.

Baseball has had nine champions since the 90's, but how many teams have not even made it to the playoffs during that span? In the NFL, just about every team I can think of has been to the playoffs during that time, with maybe the Bengals being the exception.

I agree with you on one point. Teams do need to spend more money if they have it to spend. But not everyone is a George Steinbrenner and can spend as much as he does. As for the D-Rays, Pirates and Brewers having great farm-systems, that's all well and good for them now, but as soon as those guys develop into stars (which is no gaurantee anyway) they'll get traded away for prospects and they go right back to sqaure one.

One last thing about steroids, the NFL has a pretty strict steroid policy. Well, I shouldn't say strict, but it is compared to MLB's, which is teethless.
01-07-2005 05:18 PM
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GDawgs88 Wrote:The NFL gives every team a chance to compete. In baseball, you know the Yankees, Red Sox and Braves are going to be good every year. You also know that team like the Brewers and Pirates are going to be terrible. I hate that, because those two cities have a lot of tradtion and deserve to have winning team every now and then. Having a salary cap would also reward teams with good management. I don't think Brian Cashman is a good GM, but he has all the money in the world to spend, so it makes him look good. Imagine how good the A's would be with a GM like Billy Beane if they could spend as much as everyone else. I also don't get what you mean when you say the NFL is full of mediocrity. No, it's called free-agency and a salary cap. But, if you look at the Patriots, it is possible to win consistently in the NFL with a great coach and smart management.

Baseball has had nine champions since the 90's, but how many teams have not even made it to the playoffs during that span? In the NFL, just about every team I can think of has been to the playoffs during that time, with maybe the Bengals being the exception.

I agree with you on one point. Teams do need to spend more money if they have it to spend. But not everyone is a George Steinbrenner and can spend as much as he does. As for the D-Rays, Pirates and Brewers having great farm-systems, that's all well and good for them now, but as soon as those guys develop into stars (which is no gaurantee anyway) they'll get traded away for prospects and they go right back to sqaure one.

One last thing about steroids, the NFL has a pretty strict steroid policy. Well, I shouldn't say strict, but it is compared to MLB's, which is teethless
i will finally answer each point.

you say that teams like the brewers and pirates can't succeed. but you seem to forget that with bonds, the pirates were really good. they're in a funk, right now, but will soon be good again. every team has a period of crappiness. for the yanks it was the 80's, for the giants it was the 70's, for the cubs it was the 1900's :roflol:. as soon as the brewers and pirates minor leaguers step up, they will make a run at the playoffs. heck, the pirates already have one of the top 5 southpaws in MLB.

the NFL is full of mediocrity. besides the pats, none of the teams could ever have a dynasty. the freakin rams are going to the 2nd round. they suck! so do the jets. gimme a break. dynasties arem what sports is about. the steel curtain, the doomsday defense, the big red machine. Facem it, the salary cap does not allow you to keep your players long enough to create a dynasty. it's just too hard. In baseball, a team can win the WS, with a low payroll. smart management can beat money. look at the marlins and the angels. lastly, what do you mean, by "free agency?" baseball has free agency as well. what does that have to do with mediocrity?

you're probably right. more teams have made it to the playoffs in the NFL. But that's because of the unbalanced schedule. also, is it good that all of these teams are making the playoffs? let's put it this way, if the giants hadn't choked against the steelers and bengals, we would've gone to the playoffs. the freakin giants. i mean, by the end of the season, we were starting 2 practice squad players! we wouldn't have deserved the playoffs. The NBA has a cap too, and they have a lot of teams making the playoffs, but the past 15 years have belonged to the bulls, lakers and spurs. also, all those teams made the playoffs, because 8 teams in each league are eligible for the postseason.

steinbrenner does have more than most owners, but that is an irrelevant point. steinbrenner is the only owner who pours the money he makes right back into his team (except maybe moreno). look at carl pohlad. he owns the twins. the guy is a freakin billionaire. and the twins have other investors, yet they have a low payroll. why? because he doesn't pour his money back into his team.
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hey gdawgs, did you happen to watch the playoff games today? if you did, then you must have noticed how awful each team was (except the colts offense). green bay is terrible. so are the vikes and the broncos. actually, the giants beat the pack and minnesota.
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swoosh, I'll respond to your post tomorrow probably when I have more time.
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GDawgs88 Wrote:swoosh, I'll respond to your post tomorrow probably when I have more time.
believe me, i understand.
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so... if you guys think Rose should get in, what about Shoeless Joe??
01-10-2005 09:21 AM
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jrhessey Wrote:so... if you guys think Rose should get in, what about Shoeless Joe??
i already asked that.
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jrhessey Wrote:so... if you guys think Rose should get in, what about Shoeless Joe??
I think Rose should get in for what he accomplished on the field as a player. He is the all time hits king and he brought alot to the game.

Shoeless Joe had good numbers but he helped throw the World Series while he was playing the game. Hard to say about him.

I've been to the Hall of Fame a few times and saw a pair of cleats in there that were worn by Joe Jackson. Probably the closest he will ever get to that shrine.
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Herd Fan 4-Life Wrote:
jrhessey Wrote:so...  if you guys think Rose should get in, what about Shoeless Joe??
I think Rose should get in for what he accomplished on the field as a player. He is the all time hits king and he brought alot to the game.

Shoeless Joe had good numbers but he helped throw the World Series while he was playing the game. Hard to say about him.

I've been to the Hall of Fame a few times and saw a pair of cleats in there that were worn by Joe Jackson. Probably the closest he will ever get to that shrine.
I don't think Shoeless Joe cheated on the field. Dude hit over .300 in the Series. He may have taken money, but didn't cheat in the series (i.e. opportunity for him to do so, didn't arise). That's my understanding at least. As for Pete, I say let him in. If Ty Cobb can kill people and still get in, why can't Pete.

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