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New Hall of Famers ready to vote for Rose

NEW YORK (AP) - New Hall of Famers Wade Boggs and Ryne Sandberg have their own list of candidates to join them in Cooperstown, and it includes Pete Rose.

Boggs and Sandberg celebrated baseball's ultimate honor Wednesday, and talked about players they thought belonged in the Hall of Fame with them, mentioning sluggers Jim Rice and Andre Dawson, and relievers Bruce Sutter and Rich Gossage.
Rose, the career hits leader, remains on baseball's ineligible list after admitting he bet on games while managing Cincinnati in the late 1980s. Unless commissioner Bud Selig reinstates him by late November, there is no plan by the Hall of Fame to place him on the 2006 ballot, which would be his final chance for consideration by the Baseball Writers' Association of America.

"He's several steps away," Hall president Dale Petroskey said. "That's step one, and that's up to the commissioner."

Rose, who agreed to the ban in 1989, applied for reinstatement in 1997 but Selig has not ruled and refuses to say when or if he will.

"I patterned my game after Pete," said Boggs, who had a .328 career average and 3,010 hits. "When you look at what he accomplished - he's the hit king. Without him, there's a void in the Hall of Fame. He needs to be there."

Sandberg, whose .989 fielding percentage is the highest for a second baseman, also supports Rose.

"I understand the situation, with all he's gone through," Sandberg said. "It's a matter of time before baseball excuses him, and he gets in with 4,000-plus hits."

Boggs easily gained election in his first year of eligibility, receiving 474 of the 516 votes cast, at 91.86 percent well over the 75 percent required. Sandberg made it in just his third year on the ballot, getting 393 votes, just six over the 387 needed.

Both did a little electioneering for old teammates.

"Jim Rice," Boggs began, "In my opinion, there was not a more feared hitter in baseball. When he walked to the plate and stared at the pitcher, you knew he was going to hit the ball hard and drive in important runs for us."

Rice, who had 382 homers and 1,451 RBIs in 18 years with the Boston Red Sox, finished fourth in the balloting with 307 votes, also trailing Sutter (344).

Sandberg mentioned Dawson, a teammate with the Chicago Cubs.

"Dawson was in the same category as Rice, " he said. "Four hundred home runs, gold gloves, the ultimate professional and a class act.

"Lee Smith, Sutter, Goose Gossage. I'd like to see more closers," he said. "There's nothing better on a team than a big closer."

Boggs also mentioned Bert Blyleven, who won 287 games in 22 seasons.

"Facing him ... he had the greatest curveball of all time. You look at statistics - 3,000 hits, 300 wins, 500 home runs," he said. "When you fall a little short, it takes a little longer. Eventually, they get in."

Gossage (285) was fourth in the balloting, followed by Dawson (270), Blyleven (211) and Smith (200).

Boggs remembered his first brush with a Hall of Famer, when he was an 18-year-old in his first spring with the Red Sox meeting Ted Williams. Williams was thumbing through the bios of some of Boston's rookies.

"He said, 'Kid, you know you walked twice as many times as you struck out in the minors,"' Boggs said. "Then he said, 'It's easier to hit in the big leagues.' And it was. The lights are better. The travel is better. The pitchers are around the plate."

That began a long-term relationship with Williams and Boggs talking each year in spring training, sometimes about hitting, more often about fishing. They would discuss patience at the plate, discipline in the batter's box and knowing the strike zone.

"He didn't like my philosophy," Boggs said. "He tried to make me change. He couldn't though."

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i hope that scum doesn't get in.
01-05-2005 09:08 PM
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Yeah, all time hits leader...not much of a career. :rolleyes:
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Herd Fan 4-Life Wrote:Yeah, all time hits leader...not much of a career. :rolleyes:
it's not about his achievements, it's about the fact that he performed the one cardinal sin thta can never be forgiven in baseball; gambling on the sport. He also, probably threw games, seeing as how he bet on his own team.
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That is your opinion. He bet on his team to win...so how could he throw the games? And the "one" cardinal sin? I think all those low class cheaters that are surfacing with the steroid crap is much worse.
Talk about tainted.
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The Hall-of-Fame should not be about morals. If it really were, Babe Ruth would not be in it, and that dirty cheater Bonds would not get inducted after he retires. Rose was a great player, and it would be a shame if he never got in.
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Also let me say that I would bet my life that Pete Rose never threw games. This guy was as competetive as you can get. He truly hated to lose. No way he bet on his team to lose. I cannot believe that.
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you guys don't understand that the biggest sin in all of baseball is betting on the game, not taking some stimulant or steroid. babe ruth was a womanizer, but never compromised the integrity of the game. you may say; well guys like gaylord perry and barry bonds compromised the game's integrity how is that different? well obviously bud selig thinksand other baseball greats think rose might've thrown games. but the fact is, in the realm of baseball, gambling on games is worse than physically enhancing yourself. Also, what bonds did, was not illegal at the time, but what rose did, was.

rose bet on his team, so therefore there's a chance he could've bet on his team to lose, therefore throwing the game. look at it this way, he knew the players who had nagging injuries and had control over what strategy he would use. Note: i don't mean he threw games as a player, i mean he threw them as manager.
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You can spin it anyway you like but you'll never ever get me to see it that way. Pete Rose played like there was no tomorrow. He did it all naturally too, I might add. The all-time hits King, and he didn't even have to stoop to illegal substances to do it.

I couldn't give a rats arse what Bud Selig thinks. He has almost destroyed baseball all by himself. (He has had some help recently though with corked bats, Giambi, Baroid and all the other CHEATERS). There are plenty of Baseball greats that think Pete should be in the Hall. He never cheated when he played that's for damn sure.
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I don't understand why betting on baseball is such a huge sin compared to everything else. To me, steroids is far worse. Betting on baseball is wrong, yes, but it doesn't level the playing field or put these athletes lives in jeopardy like steroids does.

BTW, Bud Selig sucks. The only good thing he's done for baseball is add the wild-card.
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Herd Fan 4-Life Wrote:You can spin it anyway you like but you'll never ever get me to see it that way.&nbsp; Pete Rose played like there was no tomorrow.&nbsp; He did it all naturally too, I might add.&nbsp; The all-time hits King, and he didn't even have to stoop to illegal substances to do it.

I couldn't give a rats arse what Bud Selig thinks.&nbsp; He has almost destroyed baseball all by himself.&nbsp; (He has had some help recently though with corked bats, Giambi, Baroid and all the other CHEATERS).&nbsp; There are plenty of Baseball greats that think Pete should be in the Hall.&nbsp; He never cheated when he played that's for damn sure.
bud selig has been pretty good for baseball. you act like baseball is falling apart because of a corked bat, and some players on stimulants. Open your ****** eyes, players have been corking bats and taking stimulants for years. and, if i recall one of your beloved reds, ken griffey jr., was caught with a corked bat a number of years ago.

Pete rose threw games as a manager, and that is the worst thing one can do in baseball.

also, how do you know pete rose never took red juice?
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here's a question: should buck weaver and shoeless joe be let in?
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GDawgs88 Wrote:BTW, Bud Selig sucks. The only good thing he's done for baseball is add the wild-card.
what about interleague play?
hammering out a successful CBA?
bring baseball's ratings back?
Making minor leagues one of the most successful entertainment options in the country?
revenue sharing?
luxury tax?

and do you geniuses recognize that this season MLB and minor league baseball set all-time attendance records? i didn't think so. :wave:
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flyingswoosh Wrote:here's a question: should buck weaver and shoeless joe be let in?
swoosh, I'm not well-schooled on the whole Black Sox scandal in the early 1900's. Tell me what all happened.
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GDawgs88 Wrote:
flyingswoosh Wrote:here's a question:&nbsp; should buck weaver and shoeless joe be let in?
swoosh, I'm not well-schooled on the whole Black Sox scandal in the early 1900's. Tell me what all happened.
it'll take too long. you should find an article on google and read it.
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here are the attendance records for the minors and majors:

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flyingswoosh Wrote:
GDawgs88 Wrote:BTW, Bud Selig sucks. The only good thing he's done for baseball is add the wild-card.
what about interleague play?
hammering out a successful CBA?
bring baseball's ratings back?
Making minor leagues one of the most successful entertainment options in the country?
revenue sharing?
luxury tax?

and do you geniuses recognize that this season MLB and minor league baseball set all-time attendance records? i didn't think so. :wave:
I was wrong when I said he's only done one good thing for baseball. He has done more than that. But...

There's still no salary-cap

There's no competetive balance. Don't try to say that there is. I doubt fans in cities like Pittsburgh, Milwaukee and Tampa will listen

We have a tied All-Star game

The steroid issue is still hanging over the game

There are many more bad things that have happened in baseball since Bud took over than good things.
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flyingswoosh Wrote:
GDawgs88 Wrote:
flyingswoosh Wrote:here's a question:  should buck weaver and shoeless joe be let in?
swoosh, I'm not well-schooled on the whole Black Sox scandal in the early 1900's. Tell me what all happened.
it'll take too long. you should find an article on google and read it.
Well, just going on what I know, and knowing how great they were, yes, I say they should be in. Again, this is the baseball Hall-of-Fame, not the morals Hall-of-Fame.
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flyingswoosh Wrote:Open your ****** eyes,
Fuq off
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flyingswoosh Wrote:Pete rose threw games as a manager, and that is the worst thing one can do in baseball.
Prove it.
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