[QUOTE]Outside of Joe Novak, Peters is the single biggest reason our football program is on an upward trajectory.[QUOTE]

I think the NIU players would be a close second to Novak when ranking reasons for football's success. I think you are giving a University president way too much credit if you are going to give him credit for TD's, sacks, Wins/Losses, etc.

DiehardHuskie Wrote:As far as Judson vs Novak on the search committee -- does anybody know if Joe was even asked to be on the committee?

Nope.

Makes perfect sense, right?

Come on, alum. If Peters wasn't calling the shots, how do you explain Joe not being asked in favor of Jud? Joe has the most to gain or lose from this decision right now, as Jud has everything he needs to be successful in place.

BTW - I think the AD candidates all appear to be good and very qualified in the areas we need the most.

DogFan the politics in academia are not a NIU only phenomenon. Almost all universities have this, just look at the tenure thing. That in itself is a real hornet's nest.

HuskieDan Wrote:

DiehardHuskie Wrote:As far as Judson vs Novak on the search committee -- does anybody know if Joe was even asked to be on the committee?

Nope.

Makes perfect sense, right?

Come on, alum. If Peters wasn't calling the shots, how do you explain Joe not being asked in favor of Jud? Joe has the most to gain or lose from this decision right now, as Jud has everything he needs to be successful in place.

BTW - I think the AD candidates all appear to be good and very qualified in the areas we need the most.

I guess you're right Dan, President Peters decided to stick it to Joe Novak by putting Rob Judson on the Search Committee instead. Who cares about the realities on how the Search Committee was actually assembled. Who needs to know for sure whether Joe Novak even expressed interest on sitting on the Committee. A conspiracy theory is in operation and damn the truth.

niu85alum Wrote:Who needs to know for sure whether Joe Novak even expressed interest on sitting on the Committee. A conspiracy theory is in operation and damn the truth.

After the last two years, Joe needs to ask to be on such a committee?

Come on, alum, you can do better. The committee was supposed to represent many different areas of the NIU community. There's an athlete on there, and a coach. If you were to pick a coach at NIU right now, who would be the logical choice, and remember that we just had a finalist for National Coach of the Year in his sport, which just happens to be the biggest money-maker and the highest profile sport on college campuses.

Alum, you've bought into Peters' politician personality. That's fine - he's very good at it. He's also done a good job at NIU, IMO. But I haven't let me blind that to the fact that Peters has his own agendas, and I don't necessarily agree with them.

I don't know that it would have had a dramatic effect, but the choice of representative coach on that committee was simply idiotic. It quite simply signifies Peters' agenda in sports - to make his guy important.

I'm a big Peters fan and I'm not backing any kind of conspiracy theory. It was just a simple question. Maybe Joe was asked and he declined for whatever reason. I don't know. Just curious to see if any of our "insiders" had any information. Nothing more, nothing less. Relax, Alum.

First, what ever happened to Jim Rosborough? I bring it up because the talk of Judson reminded me of the ingrate who took over for Rosborough and did some good things with Rosborough's guys and then left as quickly as he came. He claimed that he was trying "to build a tradition of winning in the doghouse" thereby trashing Allen Rayhorn and Tim Dillon and Kenny BAttle, and all the others who won in the fieldhouse and all the fans that cheered for them because, according to this guy, we had no tradition before he blessed us with his presence. So, to the extent that Judson takes after this guy, that is a problem. I don't know whether he does or not, but if those in the know thinks he does, then I say we should dump him before he dumps us (i.e. show real progress soon or make a change).

On the Peters - Novak- Judson thing, it comes to my mind that if I am Joe, and if I am anyone associated with forming a search committee, it's a given I will get input from Joe --- a GREAT DEAL of input from Joe. But, do I have to put him on a committee to do that? Do I want to tie up ANY of his time with committee meetings and the other garbage that goes with committees when he is preparing for the season? Or do I let him do his job, and consult with him informally when appropriate? I would do the second, wouldn't you?

"the fact is that he (and Joe Novak too) were (and still are) woefully underpaid in the grand scheme of coaches salaries in the NCAA"
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I think you need to remember that the important thing is total compensation package, not annual salary. If Jud thinks he can make more elsewhere, then I say he should go for it now, and let us move on. But if he wants to build a winning program at a school that will declare him a hero if he is successful and provide him with a decent income, job security, a great community in which to raise his children, and every opportunity to succeed, then NIU is the place for him. Once he has shown that he can recruit, coach, and build a program (including raising money and putting fans in the seats) then he can write his ticket anywhere. A guy looking for anything short of that is not a guy we should be interested in.

chihuskie Wrote:First, what ever happened to Jim Rosborough? I bring it up because the talk of Judson reminded me of the ingrate who took over for Rosborough and did some good things with Rosborough's guys and then left as quickly as he came. He claimed that he was trying "to build a tradition of winning in the doghouse" thereby trashing Allen Rayhorn and Tim Dillon and Kenny BAttle, and all the others who won in the fieldhouse and all the fans that cheered for them because, according to this guy, we had no tradition before he blessed us with his presence. So, to the extent that Judson takes after this guy, that is a problem. I don't know whether he does or not, but if those in the know thinks he does, then I say we should dump him before he dumps us (i.e. show real progress soon or make a change).

On the Peters - Novak- Judson thing, it comes to my mind that if I am Joe, and if I am anyone associated with forming a search committee, it's a given I will get input from Joe --- a GREAT DEAL of input from Joe. But, do I have to put him on a committee to do that? Do I want to tie up ANY of his time with committee meetings and the other garbage that goes with committees when he is preparing for the season? Or do I let him do his job, and consult with him informally when appropriate? I would do the second, wouldn't you?

You mean Jim Molinari (who took us to the NCAA's?). Rosborough was a good recruiter, but terrible coach. Remember he's the guy that issued a "No Dunking" order in his first year at the helm. Molinari changed his up-tempo style and got those good recruits to play a little defense and that's what took us to the NCAA's.

I wouldn't compare Judson to Molinari because there was 1 key difference. Molinari won!

Excellent point! :wave: