93Huskie Wrote:The latest . . . Jim Phillips (Notre Dame) wants the Indiana job . . . Kevin Anderson (Oregon State) wants the NIU job . . . Judson wants Phillips - and Novak wants Anderson . . . who does President Peters want? The writing on the wall seems to be Phillips, otherwise Anderson would all ready be hired. Stay tuned :rolleyes:

Why are we even paying attention to what Jud "The Dud" wants? This is guy who has wanted out of here twice in his short mediocre coaching career. He's not an NIU guy. Let the true NIU guys give there two cents because they are the ones that will have to work for this AD.

I second Lukalos notion that we should not care a rat's a## what Jud thinks until he wins a few games.

niu85alum Wrote:Who exactly are your sources? I have hard time believing this "insight." I find it very hard to believe that either President Peters, Rob Judson or Joe Novak has spouted off (if even "off the record") for who they think is best candidate for the job. You just don't do that type of thing when all three are still offically in the running.

Jim Phillips is absolutely the worst choice of the three for the job. The parallels between Notre Dame and NIU are zilch. Plus Phillips has served in only a narrow role at ND. A disaster waiting to happen at NIU.

There is screaming logic for Scott Barnes. Please let him be the selection, absent of major skeletons in his closet.

In case you didn't read, the 15,000 attendance rule will go ahead. Even if you count everyone in the stadium, there are MANY MAC teams that won't make the cut. What happens to the conference? We need to bring in someone who understands how the big boys work, not a guy from Div 1AA. We can't take ANYTHING for granted anymore. We NEED to look at ALL options and I just don't think that your guy has the insight/contacts needed for forward progress should the conference collapse. I suppose if you are fine with moving back to 1AA when the MAC loses teams, your guy is our man(he knows very well how to operate at that level). Just my opinion.

RobertN Wrote:

niu85alum Wrote:Who exactly are your sources?  I have hard time believing this "insight."  I find it very hard to believe that either President Peters, Rob Judson or Joe Novak has spouted off (if even "off the record") for who they think is best candidate for the job.  You just don't do that type of thing when all three are still offically in the running.

Jim Phillips is absolutely the worst choice of the three for the job.  The parallels between Notre Dame and NIU are zilch.  Plus Phillips has served in only a narrow role at ND.  A disaster waiting to happen at NIU.

There is screaming logic for Scott Barnes.  Please let him be the selection, absent of major skeletons in his closet.

In case you didn't read, the 15,000 attendance rule will go ahead. Even if you count everyone in the stadium, there are MANY MAC teams that won't make the cut. What happens to the conference? We need to bring in someone who understands how the big boys work, not a guy from Div 1AA. We can't take ANYTHING for granted anymore. We NEED to look at ALL options and I just don't think that your guy has the insight/contacts needed for forward progress should the conference collapse. I suppose if you are fine with moving back to 1AA when the MAC loses teams, your guy is our man(he knows very well how to operate at that level). Just my opinion.

--snip--- The tedious insistent that "NIU aim for the big-time" is a complete and utter joke and shows your total lack of grasp of the realities of college football and NIU's profile and mission in life.

"Why not call the Big 12 up and ask to join? What could it hurt?" Hey Robert, following your recommended strategy for NIU, why don't you call up Carmen Electra and ask her out for a date. Why not call Carmen Electra? What could it hurt?

Regarding the 15,000 rule, the NCAA will NEVER wind up kicking certain programs out of division I because of it. NEVER. This issue is similar to the "minimum seating capacity" issue that turned up 20 years ago. There is ZERO chance the NCAA is going to insist that the Buffalos and Kent States of the world be booted from division I. NEVER.

You are officially on double secret ignore once again.

and your opening attack has been removed. Don't make it personal. -HD

Lukulos Wrote:

93Huskie Wrote:The latest . . . Jim Phillips (Notre Dame) wants the Indiana job . . . Kevin Anderson (Oregon State) wants the NIU job . . . Judson wants Phillips - and Novak wants Anderson . . . who does President Peters want?  The writing on the wall seems to be Phillips, otherwise Anderson would all ready be hired.  Stay tuned :rolleyes:

Why are we even paying attention to what Jud "The Dud" wants? This is guy who has wanted out of here twice in his short mediocre coaching career. He's not an NIU guy. Let the true NIU guys give there two cents because they are the ones that will have to work for this AD.

Great question, but somehow in is infinite wisdom Peters put Jud and not Joe on the search committee. He's Peters' guy. But you're right, you'd have to be crazy to want such an important decision to be determined by a guy with one foot out the door (although I'm sure neither coach would be the guy making the final decision).

Everybody is right. All three candidates on the table are attractive. Of the three, it is my opinion (based only on the limited data points at our disposal) that Scott Barnes is (by far) the best choice and that Jim Phillips is (by far) the worst choice.

Allow me also to make a prediction. If Jim Phillips does indeed wind up being the selection, I bet anything in the world his tenure in DeKalb lasts no more than three years.

HuskieDan Wrote:

Lukulos Wrote:

93Huskie Wrote:The latest . . . Jim Phillips (Notre Dame) wants the Indiana job . . . Kevin Anderson (Oregon State) wants the NIU job . . . Judson wants Phillips - and Novak wants Anderson . . . who does President Peters want?  The writing on the wall seems to be Phillips, otherwise Anderson would all ready be hired.  Stay tuned :rolleyes:

Why are we even paying attention to what Jud "The Dud" wants? This is guy who has wanted out of here twice in his short mediocre coaching career. He's not an NIU guy. Let the true NIU guys give there two cents because they are the ones that will have to work for this AD.

Great question, but somehow in is infinite wisdom Peters put Jud and not Joe on the search committee. He's Peters' guy. But you're right, you'd have to be crazy to want such an important decision to be determined by a guy with one foot out the door (although I'm sure neither coach would be the guy making the final decision).

Please, lets deal in facts rather than speculation and heresay.

#1. President Peters only had limited input on the appointment of the AD Search Committee

#2. The mission of the Search Committee was to facilitate the search process, working in concert with an executive headhunting firm, and to come up with a short list of candidates that met selected criteria.

#3. Regardless of the opinion one might have for Rob Judson, he did not formally apply for the Bradley job and he was not a candidate for the University of Illinois job. With respect to the Illini job, Judson's being connected to the head coaching vacancy was purely media speculation, nothing else. AD Ron Guenther publicly stated Judson was not a candidate, as did Rob Judson himself.

niu85alum Wrote:Allow me also to make a prediction. If Jim Phillips does indeed wind up being the selection, I bet anything in the world his tenure in DeKalb lasts no more than three years.

That, and the fact that he does have a history with Peters is what frightens me.

niu85alum Wrote:

HuskieDan Wrote:

Lukulos Wrote:

93Huskie Wrote:The latest . . . Jim Phillips (Notre Dame) wants the Indiana job . . . Kevin Anderson (Oregon State) wants the NIU job . . . Judson wants Phillips - and Novak wants Anderson . . . who does President Peters want?  The writing on the wall seems to be Phillips, otherwise Anderson would all ready be hired.  Stay tuned :rolleyes:

Why are we even paying attention to what Jud "The Dud" wants? This is guy who has wanted out of here twice in his short mediocre coaching career. He's not an NIU guy. Let the true NIU guys give there two cents because they are the ones that will have to work for this AD.

Great question, but somehow in is infinite wisdom Peters put Jud and not Joe on the search committee. He's Peters' guy. But you're right, you'd have to be crazy to want such an important decision to be determined by a guy with one foot out the door (although I'm sure neither coach would be the guy making the final decision).

Please, lets deal in facts rather than speculation and heresay.

#1. President Peters only had limited input on the appointment of the AD Search Committee

#2. The mission of the Search Committee was to facilitate the search process, working in concert with an executive headhunting firm, and to come up with a short list of candidates that met selected criteria.

#3. Regardless of the opinion one might have for Rob Judson, he did not formally apply for the Bradley job and he was not a candidate for the University of Illinois job. With respect to the Illini job, Judson's being connected to the head coaching vacancy was purely media speculation, nothing else. AD Ron Guenther publicly stated Judson was not a candidate, as did Rob Judson himself.

Alum - you really don't give Peters much credit for having any control, or wanting it. I'm sure that he got Jud on the committee, and I'm pretty damn sure that he made sure to get those on the committee that he wanted. If you're hearing this information, either you or your source are extremely naive.

As for Jud, he may not have applied for the Bradley job, and I've never said he did. But he did use the threat of that job as leverage to negotiate a pay raise after one season. As we've seen, giving it to him was an extremely poor decision. That's why I lost respect for him.

You lost respect for Rob Judson because he lobbied for a pay raise? Huh? Regardless of your opinion for Judson, the fact is that he (and Joe Novak too) were (and still are) woefully underpaid in the grand scheme of coaches salaries in the NCAA. How exactly does one lose respect for Judson simply because he used a little bit of leverage to his advantage?

The composition of the AD Search Committee was determined by a blend of factors, most notably the need to do things in politically correct fashion within a public university setting and to have multiple, diverse viewpoints represented. President Peters only had limited input on the makeup of the committtee. Outside of a couple who sit on the committee who were truly "selected" (Judson is one), the rest of the names were a given.

The Committee had done its work, namely to work with the executive recruiting firm in a process that got down to a finalist pool. While the Committee does have meaningful say in who will be the selection, President Peters has the most at this stage.

Please dear God do not let Jim Phillips be the one. This move has disaster written all over it, ala the ill-fated decision to go independent and to name that clown Charlie Sadler head coach under the theory of going "big-time." Phillips is the WRONG guy. His Notre Dame experience is non-translatable to NIU and its a near lock he will bolt DeKalb within three years.

I dsiagree with you 100% on Phillips. Becuse of his local ties, I think he has a good understanding of NIUs limitations. My ND source tells me they think he would be terrific. Also, I don't expect the new AD to be here forever. If he moves on in three years but makes substantial inroads int improving the athletic dept, then he did his job and we move on. I think our days of scrambling to find qualified people are over.

Finish getting a Fb Building built, more season tickets, and a real Huskie Club in three years & I will drive him to the airport and thank him all the way there.

HuskieJ Wrote:Finish getting a Fb Building built, more season tickets, and a real Huskie Club in three years & I will drive him to the airport and thank him all the way there.

Bravo to both you and gcd! We are in a tremendously fortunate situation. Although I have my preference, we have three superb candidates. We cannot lose! Do you think this would have happened 6 or 7 years ago? Our main qualification for an AD would have been that they would be able to breathe!

The fact that Judson came running to the administration with his hands out for more money after a MEDIOCRE season while the ink on his FIRST ever contract as a head coach was still wet was bound to rub some people the wrong way. Include me among them.

As far as AD goes, I tend to agree that all three are very viable candidates. I know nothing about them outside of their bios, so I couldn't even begin to rationalize who or why one should be selected. I just hope that going forward, there is a major shift in the university's philosophy toward athletics and the new guy comes in with more authority to get some things done.

I guess it is official about maybe knowing next week. What is interesting about this AD thing is that the papers out here (i.e the Spokesman-Review) are still talking about it, so maybe Barnes is not out of the running yet (it is just a wire report, I'm sure). I looked at the Tribune online as well as the Daily Hearld. Nothing about it

<a href='http://www.spokesmanreview.com/sports/story.asp?ID=20647' target='_blank'>http://www.spokesmanreview.com/sports/stor...ry.asp?ID=20647</a>

I know RobertN (and others) think Barnes would be no good. I would disagree, sure Barnes has not been at a school with 1A football but if you see what he has done with EWU's BB team, that is VERY impressive.

Let's see....

the school's first NCAA appearance
games with St. Joes (who EWU beat two years ago)
a very high profile game with Gonzaga year in and year out
brought in a great coach (Ray Giacoletti, who is now at Utah, we sent a coach to Utah once [Stohm] but he was an assistant)

Do not write this guy off at all. You really need to see what he has done at EWU, and if you did, you would be impressed.

I understand your concerns with him not knowing 1A FB, but I think he is very forward in his thinking.

I'll defer to Gold Coast on whether or not he has a shot, I just find it intriguing that a Spokane paper cares about the NIU AD search.

DiehardHuskie Wrote:The fact that Judson came running to the administration with his hands out for more money after a MEDIOCRE season while the ink on his FIRST ever contract as a head coach was still wet was bound to rub some people the wrong way. Include me among them.

Precisely. I don't have a problem with wanting more money, it's using the prospect of taking another job to get more money when you haven't even accomplished anything here yet that I have a problem with.

Contrast this with Joe, who consistently campaigns publicly for a FB building, all the while saying that it is in no way for him, it's for his eventual replacement, and that the PROGRAM needs the facilities upgraded to continue to be successful.

HuskieDan Wrote:

DiehardHuskie Wrote:The fact that Judson came running to the administration with his hands out for more money after a MEDIOCRE season while the ink on his FIRST ever contract as a head coach was still wet was bound to rub some people the wrong way.&nbsp; Include me among them.&nbsp;

Precisely. I don't have a problem with wanting more money, it's using the prospect of taking another job to get more money when you haven't even accomplished anything here yet that I have a problem with.

Contrast this with Joe, who consistently campaigns publicly for a FB building, all the while saying that it is in no way for him, it's for his eventual replacement, and that the PROGRAM needs the facilities upgraded to continue to be successful.

This much we can agree, Rob Judson has accomplished remarkably little entering his fourth season in DeKalb. Given the talent on hand, the immediate future looks even more dismal than last year too.

Regarding the AD search, I will be solidly supportive of whoever is the choice. If it happens to be Scott Barnes I will be ecstatic. If it happens to be Jim Phillips I will not be as happy, but I will certainly give the gentleman the benefit of the doubt and will not pass judgment until he has had a least several years at the helm. If it happens to be Kevin Anderson I will be slightly happier and will apply the same patience and understanding.

the spokesmanreview is less interested in reporting about the NI AD vacancy but much more interested in informing its readers of the possible departure of an EWU athletic dept staff member....let's not flatter oureselves for if he applied to Indiana State, the coverage would have been likewise.

niu85alum Wrote:

HuskieDan Wrote:

DiehardHuskie Wrote:The fact that Judson came running to the administration with his hands out for more money after a MEDIOCRE season while the ink on his FIRST ever contract as a head coach was still wet was bound to rub some people the wrong way.  Include me among them. 

Precisely. I don't have a problem with wanting more money, it's using the prospect of taking another job to get more money when you haven't even accomplished anything here yet that I have a problem with.

Contrast this with Joe, who consistently campaigns publicly for a FB building, all the while saying that it is in no way for him, it's for his eventual replacement, and that the PROGRAM needs the facilities upgraded to continue to be successful.

This much we can agree, Rob Judson has accomplished remarkably little entering his fourth season in DeKalb. Given the talent on hand, the immediate future looks even more dismal than last year too.

Regarding the AD search, I will be solidly supportive of whoever is the choice. If it happens to be Scott Barnes I will be ecstatic. If it happens to be Jim Phillips I will not be as happy, but I will certainly give the gentleman the benefit of the doubt and will not pass judgment until he has had a least several years at the helm. If it happens to be Kevin Anderson I will be slightly happier and will apply the same patience and understanding.

Alum,

In my short 25 years in the business world, I would never hire a candidate based upon his or her resume alone. I would hope that the best of three viable candidates has emerged through the interview process, and is collaborated by further due diligence of each applicant's background and accomplishments, as well as recommendations from their superiors/peers. To say that one applicant would be superior to any other based solely upon the bio's that appeared in the newspaper is presumptious to say the least.

I think we all realize that the Spokesman is not reporting from and NIU perspective. Thanks for pointing that out to me.

The reason I posted the article was because someone in an earlier post suggested that Barnes MAY have pulled out or that something else happened with him. The fact that the Spokesman is still reporting Barnes and NIU SUGGESTS he still may be in the running.

Who knows...let's just get an AD already so we can move the program forward.