(10-27-2026 11:20 AM)JRsec Wrote: (10-27-2026 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (10-27-2026 09:54 AM)JRsec Wrote: Herein resides the main issue for this forum. My response was about the information and the actual retraction by Doctors of the lie put out about ivermectin (an $8 over the counter drug) which stood to interfere with the billions made in mRNA shots which proved to be lethal via arrhythmias to some younger (think 20 something) healthy people. The shots were rushed into use without proper testing due to the crisis created in the Wuhan lab.
Herein resides the issue with you on this.
NOWHERE is there, nor did you, provide any evidence or credible information to support your conclusion that "actual retraction by Doctors of the lie put out about Ivermectin."
I've done the research. I cannot find anything from anyone credible or who conducted a credible study that supports your conclusion that it did anything to warrant usage for Covid beyond other case studies. The FDA...who you claim rushed through the Covid vaccines...has still to this day not approved it for use for Covid. Why not? Much of their time since this has been in the news was under the auspices of a trump administration.
And again, where is the proof or evidence of this? I can find nothing to support this claim:
(10-27-2026 09:54 AM)JRsec Wrote: ...mRNA shots which proved to be lethal via arrhythmias to some younger (think 20 something) healthy people.
Sorry but, there is just nothing anywhere to support that statement that this was any sort of substantive problem. I'm sure there was likely a few cases, but that's certainly no logical reason to act like it was wide spread as you seem to claim. Certainly nothing outside of the typical adverse affects that come from any medical procedure or treatment.
Lastly, I have no opinion of whether it came from a lab or was man made because there has never been any actual conclusion reached and I don't have the expertise to make any such conclusion. You, seem to think there was, and you're certainly entitled that opinion. However, that does not make it a known fact.
Tom, I knew a young woman who died from arrythmias attributed to the shot. I knew of other data because my personal physician was among those collecting reports on adverse reactions and investigating the causes, and most were related to the shots, or more specifically the patients' reactions to them.
The government doesn't spend money on collecting data and investigating unless something is going on.
Perhaps you should open your eyes and ears and quit believing the lies of the corporately owned media be they right or left. Unfortunately, liability suits for the vaccine were waived at the time you signed to take them, convenient legal foresight, and I had an arrythmia following my shot which I only took so I could fly should one of my daughters need me.
I have found that people who cite their favorite political disinformation sites are woefully misinformed. There are people who know in medicine, through having issues of their own, and some in the loop informationally within government organizations. I'll trust any of them and what I actually experience over you or any of your paper dagger disinformation sites and I would say the same about those on the right.
And because you tried to make it personal all I'll say in return is when you actually get involved beyond a google search of disinformation sites that validate your point of view, I will continue to count you as lazy in the effort to obtain the truth and useful to those who abuse the public trust.
What did I try to make personal? Because I took issue with you on this because of what you actually posted? And asked for you to provide some evidence?
Please, help me out. I'm not trying to make anything personal.
As for the topic, I'm haven't posted anything here from "political disinformation sites" whatever those even are. I posted information from health agencies who published results of studies, etc.
And sorry, but I don't know you. I don't know if your anecdotes are credible or not, because they're anecdotes. But nowhere have I called you a liar or anything even close...which to me would be making it personal. And since you still have only posted anecdotal information, isn't that driving the discussion personal? Again, honestly asking, not trying to "start" something.
As I said earlier, I'm sure you can find random cases here and there of an issue with the vaccine. Again, just like you can likely find with any vaccine that's ever existed.
But to me, you have to look at the bigger picture. Do you scrap the whole thing for a few adverse items when the vaccines saved countless lives? Additionally, medical studies have also concluded that vaccinated individuals had better outcomes if they later got Covid.
Lastly, I'm not going to apologize for being a show me kind of person. While I appreciate your anecdotal evidence, I can only rely on what I've read and heard from credible information...like the ones I posted earlier and from medical doctors I listen to. I understand that you don't trust much of anything with the government, which is fine and your right, but it's not what I normally do.