(10-27-2026 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 09:54 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Herein resides the main issue for this forum. My response was about the information and the actual retraction by Doctors of the lie put out about ivermectin (an $8 over the counter drug) which stood to interfere with the billions made in mRNA shots which proved to be lethal via arrhythmias to some younger (think 20 something) healthy people. The shots were rushed into use without proper testing due to the crisis created in the Wuhan lab.

Herein resides the issue with you on this.

NOWHERE is there, nor did you, provide any evidence or credible information to support your conclusion that "actual retraction by Doctors of the lie put out about Ivermectin."

I've done the research. I cannot find anything from anyone credible or who conducted a credible study that supports your conclusion that it did anything to warrant usage for Covid beyond other case studies. The FDA...who you claim rushed through the Covid vaccines...has still to this day not approved it for use for Covid. Why not? Much of their time since this has been in the news was under the auspices of a trump administration.

And again, where is the proof or evidence of this? I can find nothing to support this claim:

(10-27-2026 09:54 AM)JRsec Wrote:  ...mRNA shots which proved to be lethal via arrhythmias to some younger (think 20 something) healthy people.

Sorry but, there is just nothing anywhere to support that statement that this was any sort of substantive problem. I'm sure there was likely a few cases, but that's certainly no logical reason to act like it was wide spread as you seem to claim. Certainly nothing outside of the typical adverse affects that come from any medical procedure or treatment.

Lastly, I have no opinion of whether it came from a lab or was man made because there has never been any actual conclusion reached and I don't have the expertise to make any such conclusion. You, seem to think there was, and you're certainly entitled that opinion. However, that does not make it a known fact.

Tom, I knew a young woman who died from arrythmias attributed to the shot. I knew of other data because my personal physician was among those collecting reports on adverse reactions and investigating the causes, and most were related to the shots, or more specifically the patients' reactions to them.

The government doesn't spend money on collecting data and investigating unless something is going on.

Perhaps you should open your eyes and ears and quit believing the lies of the corporately owned media be they right or left. Unfortunately, liability suits for the vaccine were waived at the time you signed to take them, convenient legal foresight, and I had an arrythmia following my shot which I only took so I could fly should one of my daughters need me.

I have found that people who cite their favorite political disinformation sites are woefully misinformed. There are people who know in medicine, through having issues of their own, and some in the loop informationally within government organizations. I'll trust any of them and what I actually experience over you or any of your paper dagger disinformation sites and I would say the same about those on the right.

And because you tried to make it personal all I'll say in return is when you actually get involved beyond a google search of disinformation sites that validate your point of view, I will continue to count you as lazy in the effort to obtain the truth and useful to those who abuse the public trust.

(10-27-2026 11:20 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 09:54 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Herein resides the main issue for this forum. My response was about the information and the actual retraction by Doctors of the lie put out about ivermectin (an $8 over the counter drug) which stood to interfere with the billions made in mRNA shots which proved to be lethal via arrhythmias to some younger (think 20 something) healthy people. The shots were rushed into use without proper testing due to the crisis created in the Wuhan lab.

Herein resides the issue with you on this.

NOWHERE is there, nor did you, provide any evidence or credible information to support your conclusion that "actual retraction by Doctors of the lie put out about Ivermectin."

I've done the research. I cannot find anything from anyone credible or who conducted a credible study that supports your conclusion that it did anything to warrant usage for Covid beyond other case studies. The FDA...who you claim rushed through the Covid vaccines...has still to this day not approved it for use for Covid. Why not? Much of their time since this has been in the news was under the auspices of a trump administration.

And again, where is the proof or evidence of this? I can find nothing to support this claim:

(10-27-2026 09:54 AM)JRsec Wrote:  ...mRNA shots which proved to be lethal via arrhythmias to some younger (think 20 something) healthy people.

Sorry but, there is just nothing anywhere to support that statement that this was any sort of substantive problem. I'm sure there was likely a few cases, but that's certainly no logical reason to act like it was wide spread as you seem to claim. Certainly nothing outside of the typical adverse affects that come from any medical procedure or treatment.

Lastly, I have no opinion of whether it came from a lab or was man made because there has never been any actual conclusion reached and I don't have the expertise to make any such conclusion. You, seem to think there was, and you're certainly entitled that opinion. However, that does not make it a known fact.

Tom, I knew a young woman who died from arrythmias attributed to the shot. I knew of other data because my personal physician was among those collecting reports on adverse reactions and investigating the causes, and most were related to the shots, or more specifically the patients' reactions to them.

The government doesn't spend money on collecting data and investigating unless something is going on.

Perhaps you should open your eyes and ears and quit believing the lies of the corporately owned media be they right or left. Unfortunately, liability suits for the vaccine were waived at the time you signed to take them, convenient legal foresight, and I had an arrythmia following my shot which I only took so I could fly should one of my daughters need me.

I have found that people who cite their favorite political disinformation sites are woefully misinformed. There are people who know in medicine, through having issues of their own, and some in the loop informationally within government organizations. I'll trust any of them and what I actually experience over you or any of your paper dagger disinformation sites and I would say the same about those on the right.

And because you tried to make it personal all I'll say in return is when you actually get involved beyond a google search of disinformation sites that validate your point of view, I will continue to count you as lazy in the effort to obtain the truth and useful to those who abuse the public trust.

In the three years since my cancer treatments and 3 back surgeries, I've queried numerous medical professionals, including a dear old friend who is a retired MD, a cousin who is also an MD, my NP who I've been going to for almost 23 years, and three cousins who have been nurses for 20-plus years. To a person, they've sneered at the mRNA "vaccine."

One nurse cousin who was in perfect health developed blood clots in her leg soon after being injected. She swears that ever since receiving the jab she has felt like crap most of the time. This is a younger woman who I used to run with and work out with religiously. She's never smoked, never drank heavily, and was a nut about eating right.

Anecdotal, to be sure, but when not one of them agreed with the efficacy of the "vaccine," but instead warned against it, that says something.

(10-27-2026 09:42 AM)BirdHawkEagle Wrote:  Hey chickenhorse,

I've never been a part of the MAGA movement.

Nor do I trust any the Republican Party does.

Yet you believe everything your party tells you, and you swallow the taint like it's water from the Fountain of Youth.

You're not fooling me.

You may not be a part of MAGA but you align with them. How many threads now have you said “guilty by association”?

You're also guilty by association, too, chickenhorse.

The difference between you and me is that I don't support abortion, the mutilation of children's sex organs, or illegal immigration from the third world.

But you do.

(10-27-2026 11:59 AM)BirdHawkEagle Wrote:  You're also guilty by association, too, chickenhorse.

The difference between you and me is that I don't support abortion, the mutilation of children's sex organs, or illegal immigration from the third world.

But you do.

You said the same thing is the other thread. Your stuck on repeat? You glitching? And no I don’t support those things the way you erroneously believe I do.

Once again, guilt by association.

You yourself may not support it, but your left wing brethren do, and you are clearly a leftist.

Therefore, guilt by association.

And no, I'm not stuck on repeat or glitching out.

What other BS do you want to lob my way today?

(10-27-2026 11:20 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 09:54 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Herein resides the main issue for this forum. My response was about the information and the actual retraction by Doctors of the lie put out about ivermectin (an $8 over the counter drug) which stood to interfere with the billions made in mRNA shots which proved to be lethal via arrhythmias to some younger (think 20 something) healthy people. The shots were rushed into use without proper testing due to the crisis created in the Wuhan lab.

Herein resides the issue with you on this.

NOWHERE is there, nor did you, provide any evidence or credible information to support your conclusion that "actual retraction by Doctors of the lie put out about Ivermectin."

I've done the research. I cannot find anything from anyone credible or who conducted a credible study that supports your conclusion that it did anything to warrant usage for Covid beyond other case studies. The FDA...who you claim rushed through the Covid vaccines...has still to this day not approved it for use for Covid. Why not? Much of their time since this has been in the news was under the auspices of a trump administration.

And again, where is the proof or evidence of this? I can find nothing to support this claim:

(10-27-2026 09:54 AM)JRsec Wrote:  ...mRNA shots which proved to be lethal via arrhythmias to some younger (think 20 something) healthy people.

Sorry but, there is just nothing anywhere to support that statement that this was any sort of substantive problem. I'm sure there was likely a few cases, but that's certainly no logical reason to act like it was wide spread as you seem to claim. Certainly nothing outside of the typical adverse affects that come from any medical procedure or treatment.

Lastly, I have no opinion of whether it came from a lab or was man made because there has never been any actual conclusion reached and I don't have the expertise to make any such conclusion. You, seem to think there was, and you're certainly entitled that opinion. However, that does not make it a known fact.

Tom, I knew a young woman who died from arrythmias attributed to the shot. I knew of other data because my personal physician was among those collecting reports on adverse reactions and investigating the causes, and most were related to the shots, or more specifically the patients' reactions to them.

The government doesn't spend money on collecting data and investigating unless something is going on.

Perhaps you should open your eyes and ears and quit believing the lies of the corporately owned media be they right or left. Unfortunately, liability suits for the vaccine were waived at the time you signed to take them, convenient legal foresight, and I had an arrythmia following my shot which I only took so I could fly should one of my daughters need me.

I have found that people who cite their favorite political disinformation sites are woefully misinformed. There are people who know in medicine, through having issues of their own, and some in the loop informationally within government organizations. I'll trust any of them and what I actually experience over you or any of your paper dagger disinformation sites and I would say the same about those on the right.

And because you tried to make it personal all I'll say in return is when you actually get involved beyond a google search of disinformation sites that validate your point of view, I will continue to count you as lazy in the effort to obtain the truth and useful to those who abuse the public trust.

What did I try to make personal? Because I took issue with you on this because of what you actually posted? And asked for you to provide some evidence?

Please, help me out. I'm not trying to make anything personal.

As for the topic, I'm haven't posted anything here from "political disinformation sites" whatever those even are. I posted information from health agencies who published results of studies, etc.

And sorry, but I don't know you. I don't know if your anecdotes are credible or not, because they're anecdotes. But nowhere have I called you a liar or anything even close...which to me would be making it personal. And since you still have only posted anecdotal information, isn't that driving the discussion personal? Again, honestly asking, not trying to "start" something.

As I said earlier, I'm sure you can find random cases here and there of an issue with the vaccine. Again, just like you can likely find with any vaccine that's ever existed.

But to me, you have to look at the bigger picture. Do you scrap the whole thing for a few adverse items when the vaccines saved countless lives? Additionally, medical studies have also concluded that vaccinated individuals had better outcomes if they later got Covid.

Lastly, I'm not going to apologize for being a show me kind of person. While I appreciate your anecdotal evidence, I can only rely on what I've read and heard from credible information...like the ones I posted earlier and from medical doctors I listen to. I understand that you don't trust much of anything with the government, which is fine and your right, but it's not what I normally do.

(10-27-2026 11:48 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 11:20 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 09:54 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Herein resides the main issue for this forum. My response was about the information and the actual retraction by Doctors of the lie put out about ivermectin (an $8 over the counter drug) which stood to interfere with the billions made in mRNA shots which proved to be lethal via arrhythmias to some younger (think 20 something) healthy people. The shots were rushed into use without proper testing due to the crisis created in the Wuhan lab.

Herein resides the issue with you on this.

NOWHERE is there, nor did you, provide any evidence or credible information to support your conclusion that "actual retraction by Doctors of the lie put out about Ivermectin."

I've done the research. I cannot find anything from anyone credible or who conducted a credible study that supports your conclusion that it did anything to warrant usage for Covid beyond other case studies. The FDA...who you claim rushed through the Covid vaccines...has still to this day not approved it for use for Covid. Why not? Much of their time since this has been in the news was under the auspices of a trump administration.

And again, where is the proof or evidence of this? I can find nothing to support this claim:

(10-27-2026 09:54 AM)JRsec Wrote:  ...mRNA shots which proved to be lethal via arrhythmias to some younger (think 20 something) healthy people.

Sorry but, there is just nothing anywhere to support that statement that this was any sort of substantive problem. I'm sure there was likely a few cases, but that's certainly no logical reason to act like it was wide spread as you seem to claim. Certainly nothing outside of the typical adverse affects that come from any medical procedure or treatment.

Lastly, I have no opinion of whether it came from a lab or was man made because there has never been any actual conclusion reached and I don't have the expertise to make any such conclusion. You, seem to think there was, and you're certainly entitled that opinion. However, that does not make it a known fact.

Tom, I knew a young woman who died from arrythmias attributed to the shot. I knew of other data because my personal physician was among those collecting reports on adverse reactions and investigating the causes, and most were related to the shots, or more specifically the patients' reactions to them.

The government doesn't spend money on collecting data and investigating unless something is going on.

Perhaps you should open your eyes and ears and quit believing the lies of the corporately owned media be they right or left. Unfortunately, liability suits for the vaccine were waived at the time you signed to take them, convenient legal foresight, and I had an arrythmia following my shot which I only took so I could fly should one of my daughters need me.

I have found that people who cite their favorite political disinformation sites are woefully misinformed. There are people who know in medicine, through having issues of their own, and some in the loop informationally within government organizations. I'll trust any of them and what I actually experience over you or any of your paper dagger disinformation sites and I would say the same about those on the right.

And because you tried to make it personal all I'll say in return is when you actually get involved beyond a google search of disinformation sites that validate your point of view, I will continue to count you as lazy in the effort to obtain the truth and useful to those who abuse the public trust.

In the three years since my cancer treatments and 3 back surgeries, I've queried numerous medical professionals, including a dear old friend who is a retired MD, a cousin who is also an MD, my NP who I've been going to for almost 23 years, and three cousins who have been nurses for 20-plus years. To a person, they've sneered at the mRNA "vaccine."

One nurse cousin who was in perfect health developed blood clots in her leg soon after being injected. She swears that ever since receiving the jab she has felt like crap most of the time. This is a younger woman who I used to run with and work out with religiously. She's never smoked, never drank heavily, and was a nut about eating right.

Anecdotal, to be sure, but when not one of them agreed with the efficacy of the "vaccine," but instead warned against it, that says something.

I have a good friend who is an ICU nurse and was on the front lines of Covid. I also grew up with another who is in medical administration. They are both huge supporters of the vaccines and have always spoken of their efficacy. I also know of no one who had any adverse reaction to any of the vaccines.

You're funny, Tom. You reject anything coming from Fox News, no matter how benign, but your personal experiences with a handful of people (or less) are gospel.

(10-27-2026 01:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  You're funny, Tom. You reject anything coming from Fox News, no matter how benign, but your personal experiences with a handful of people (or less) are gospel.

I don't why any of us try to engage with him.

He's impossible to talk to, let alone debate with on anything.

(10-27-2026 01:14 PM)BirdHawkEagle Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 01:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  You're funny, Tom. You reject anything coming from Fox News, no matter how benign, but your personal experiences with a handful of people (or less) are gospel.

I don't why any of us try to engage with him.

He's impossible to talk to, let alone debate with on anything.

I didn't engage him. I just mentioned Fox, and he piped up.

(10-27-2026 01:16 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 01:14 PM)BirdHawkEagle Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 01:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  You're funny, Tom. You reject anything coming from Fox News, no matter how benign, but your personal experiences with a handful of people (or less) are gospel.

I don't why any of us try to engage with him.

He's impossible to talk to, let alone debate with on anything.

I didn't engage him. I just mentioned Fox, and he piped up.

That's because in his mind, all right wing media is disinformation and propaganda.

I think the same way about all left wing media.

I'm sure you do too.

(10-27-2026 01:23 PM)BirdHawkEagle Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 01:16 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 01:14 PM)BirdHawkEagle Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 01:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  You're funny, Tom. You reject anything coming from Fox News, no matter how benign, but your personal experiences with a handful of people (or less) are gospel.

I don't why any of us try to engage with him.

He's impossible to talk to, let alone debate with on anything.

I didn't engage him. I just mentioned Fox, and he piped up.

That's because in his mind, all right wing media is disinformation and propaganda.

I think the same way about all left wing media.

I'm sure you do too.

I'm biased, but I still watch and read CNN. Just to see if I can make sense of a different viewpoint. I do, but rarely.

(10-27-2026 01:16 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 01:14 PM)BirdHawkEagle Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 01:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  You're funny, Tom. You reject anything coming from Fox News, no matter how benign, but your personal experiences with a handful of people (or less) are gospel.

I don't why any of us try to engage with him.

He's impossible to talk to, let alone debate with on anything.

I didn't engage him. I just mentioned Fox, and he piped up.

Switch to Newsmax. I did and I love it.

(10-27-2026 01:28 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 01:16 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 01:14 PM)BirdHawkEagle Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 01:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  You're funny, Tom. You reject anything coming from Fox News, no matter how benign, but your personal experiences with a handful of people (or less) are gospel.

I don't why any of us try to engage with him.

He's impossible to talk to, let alone debate with on anything.

I didn't engage him. I just mentioned Fox, and he piped up.

Switch to Newsmax. I did and I love it.

I tried it. Too right wing for me. Fox actually has lefties on regularly. No matter what Tom thinks.

I don't watch any of them, including Fox.

(10-27-2026 01:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 01:28 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 01:16 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 01:14 PM)BirdHawkEagle Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 01:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  You're funny, Tom. You reject anything coming from Fox News, no matter how benign, but your personal experiences with a handful of people (or less) are gospel.

I don't why any of us try to engage with him.

He's impossible to talk to, let alone debate with on anything.

I didn't engage him. I just mentioned Fox, and he piped up.

Switch to Newsmax. I did and I love it.

I tried it. Too right wing for me. Fox actually has lefties on regularly. No matter what Tom thinks.

Same here.

Newsmax feels more right wing than Breitbart, IMO.

(10-27-2026 01:31 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I don't watch any of them, including Fox.

Want a cookie?

Everybody gots to do their own thang.

Fox is nowhere nearly as biased as most people on this board, left or right, lol.

Plus, I like to hear pro opinions more than numbnuts on a random message board, then draw my own conclusions.

Plus, they actually do some real reporting, especially during the day. At night is when the opinion artists show up.

And these days, I don't really have much time to watch TV, until I stop from exhaustion and take a timeout in a hotel room somewhere, with no responsibilities, lol.

(10-27-2026 01:33 PM)BirdHawkEagle Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 01:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 01:28 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 01:16 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-27-2026 01:14 PM)BirdHawkEagle Wrote:  I don't why any of us try to engage with him.

He's impossible to talk to, let alone debate with on anything.

I didn't engage him. I just mentioned Fox, and he piped up.

Switch to Newsmax. I did and I love it.

I tried it. Too right wing for me. Fox actually has lefties on regularly. No matter what Tom thinks.

Same here.

Newsmax feels more right wing than Breitbart, IMO.

I got tired of Fox News. Even Kat Timpf started getting on my nerves, and I really liked her.

I don't watch enough TV to get tired of anything, lol. Most nights I'm in my trailer, not in a hotel. I don't use the TV there. Too much else to deal with, then rest.