(06-03-2026 02:14 PM)solohawks Wrote: (06-03-2026 01:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: Quote:2. Its not false to say we don't know how many ballots that we expect to count at this point. In every other state you have a hard number at this point. In CA you do not, you have a total number and then the final number of ballots returned will HOPEFULLY be less than the total number
I was referring to second to last one -- FACT - No one can say with certainty where the outstanding ballots are at this present moment. Each voter has an idea, with the biggest gap being 'in transit'.
And your restatement is again false -- literally everywhere in the country there is no possible means to 'have a hard number at this point'.
At the very minimum, every state allows mailed armed forces ballots to have at least some leeway in delivery past the closing of the polls. Every single state.
And further, there are numerous states that have 'mail in' grace periods -- provided the ballot is postmarked at or prior to election day.
Quote: The 14 states with grace periods for regular ballots accept and count mailed ballots for periods ranging from a single day after the election in Texas to 21 days afterward in Washington state. Mississippi’s disputed grace period is five days.
https://www.kuow.org/stories/many-states...ld-go-away
And also:
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/mail-...to-voters/
rates of 4 ballots per 10 million.
After election day is over you should know with strong confidence how many ballots are official, how many are provisional, and how many did not get returned.
When you say 'after election day', what timeframe?
I think that CA does announce those numbers, but *after* the grace period. Which is 'after election day'.
Also, can you narrow in on what you mean by 'official'?
I think the proper designations should be: cast at the polls non-provisional, cast at the polls provisional, total mailed, total received and counted on election day. Those should all be very available in a span of less than a day.
You should also remember that CA automatically sends a ballot to every registered voter. From that, the registered voter tally is already a very accessible number.
Quote:You may not have hard election results down to the vote, but you should be pretty close. NC and Florida don't seem to have a problem.
NC and Fla dont have anywhere near the volume of CA. CA is a 'every registered voter gets a mailed ballot' state. NC is a 'you have to request a ballot by mail state'. I think FLa is that as well.
Further, FLA is a state that has no grace period for mail ins that are not armed service overseas ballots. The count on election day night and next day is a final count. Nothing to 'come in in the next few days'. Same for NC.
NC and Florida dont have a 'problem' because they follow the 'the rule is if the clerk has them at poll close', and dont have any form of 'the postmarked time' rule. You are comparing apples and oranges.
The real comparison should be Washington state, where an equivalent longer postmarked rule exists.
Quote:From what you are saying, CA does have that knowledge by how many ballots are "in transit" and thus knows how many ballots are still outstanding
They know how many were sent out, and how many they have. The rest are outstanding --- maybe or maybe not in transit.
And I agree -- they should absolutely release that information.
Quote:If they have that, then why can't they publish that?
How hard would it be to list
We mailed out X number of ballots
The main problem for a centralized announcement is that for the mailing process issue -- the responsible people are the local clerks. The local clerks and registrars are pretty much in control of *their* lists.
To have a statewide tally would require another level to statewide tally all the intermediate work of the clerks. California relies on the local officials for the grunt work in this, it isnt a centralized 'voter management' thing.
One way to address this is to have every local election official announce those mail ot numbers, valid ballots, and provisionals. And require them to transmit those to the Cali Sec State for a, say, 24 hour delayed accounting of the local accounting.
As of 6/2 we have received Y number of ballots back (A% by in person, B% by mail, C% by drop box)
Quote:If you are going to send millions of ballots out in the wild to be collected and have so many hands in the elections pot, you better be ultra organized and transparent about everything. CA does not do this and thus is ripe for fraud accusations, especially when it seems one side always wins the close calls.
CA isnt a state I am worried a whole bunch regarding fraud charges. For the vast larger part, it is going to have a foregone conclusion. Much like Texas 2020 up and down the ballot on the opposite side.
The worry about fraud is really only highly important the more close an election is.
As that goes, I am no more worried about Cali fraud than I am for fraud in the Tex Governor race this year.
