(06-26-2026 08:31 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Things came to a boiling point last night when Scott Presler had a ticket to attend Thunes South Dakota event. But one of the sergeant at arms denied him entry and began screaming at him to get out.

The sergeant at arms has been fired and the SD gop president has apologized.

bwahahahaha … attaboy, Mr. Presler!!!

Pressler has done more to keep the SAVE Act in the spotlight than GOP senators like Thune who claim to be all in on it

Just a reminder to those who don't think the Filibuster is going to go away the next time the Dems need it to

(06-26-2026 08:34 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-26-2026 08:31 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Things came to a boiling point last night when Scott Presler had a ticket to attend Thunes South Dakota event. But one of the sergeant at arms denied him entry and began screaming at him to get out.

The sergeant at arms has been fired and the SD gop president has apologized.

bwahahahaha … attaboy, Mr. Presler!!!

The Undercurrent
@NotTheirScript

Replying to @RWrasse
A few more undeniable facts about last night:

Jim Eschenbaum is on camera confirming Thune personally requested the lockout.

You can lie to yourself all day but you can't lie to the millions of people who watched the clip.

There was a target photo printed of Scott.

This desperate attempt at damage control indicates the “establishment” is terrified of being held accountable.
4:29 PM · Jun 26, 2026
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https://x.com/NotTheirScript/status/2070...Fpage-3%2F

They would rather the Dems win the Grassroot Conservative activists

The GOP Senate in a nutshell

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/johnson...er-id-bill

Quote:Johnson scores win as conservative rebels end House floor blockade over voter ID bill

Rep Anna Paulina Luna voted 'yes' after Johnson paired the Trump-backed SAVE America Act to the appropriations bill

House conservatives ended their weeks-long blockade of the House floor Tuesday, handing Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., a key victory after the rebellion brought legislative business to a standstill for nearly a month.

The House successfully passed a procedural vote 215-211, teeing up votes on an appropriations bill funding the State Department, legislation making daylight saving time permanent and a measure seeking to improve veterans’ benefits.

Johnson also agreed to pair the State Department funding bill with the SAVE America Act, prompting several conservative holdouts to flip their votes after demanding the House increase pressure on the Senate to pass the stalled measure.

Rep. Randy Fine, R-Fla., was the lone Republican to oppose the rule, while all Democrats voted "no" during a party-line procedural vote.

The conservatives had blocked all major House legislation since late June in an effort to force GOP leaders to hold floor votes on the Trump-backed SAVE America Act and a sweeping border security bill.

Given House Republicans’ slim majority, Johnson could afford to spare just a handful of GOP defections.

The speaker has been under mounting pressure to get the House moving again and advance a backlog of legislation ahead of the November midterm elections.

GOP leaders are racing to draft the blueprint for a third "big, beautiful bill" in addition to clearing government funding bills before the Sept. 30 deadline and a potential supplemental package covering the price tag of the Iran war.

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, R-Fla., who was among the GOP rebels who effectively shut down the chamber to pressure the Senate to pass the SAVE America Act, agreed to unlock the floor after Johnson proposed pairing the election measure with the State Department appropriations bill.

Johnson sought to attach the SAVE America Act to the House’s version of an annual defense policy bill before the July 4 recess, but Luna continued the blockade anyway.

"If John Thune strips it out in the Senate, that will be on him and the entire country should be watching what he does," Luna wrote on social media Monday.

Thune, who is supportive of the SAVE America Act, has repeatedly insisted that the votes do not exist in the upper chamber to pass the Trump-backed legislation amid unified opposition from Democrats.

That leaves House Republicans with little leverage to force Senate action on the SAVE America Act.

Some of the GOP holdouts had also threatened to oppose the rule unless House Republican leadership agreed to schedule a vote on a border security package.

Members of the conservative House Freedom Caucus are advocating for a vote on the Permanent Trump Secure Border Act, which would codify several Trump executive orders targeting illegal immigration, including and end to catch-and-release policies.

"We need to deliver on codifying border security, deal with the birthright citizenship issue," Rep. Chip Roy, R-Texas, said. "These are all issues people that I represent care about intently and that we've talked about doing, and we need to deliver."

In a potential sign of trouble for GOP leadership, some holdouts criticized Johnson's planned legislative goals for the week.

Self voted "yes" during the procedural vote.

The GOP rebels' hardball tactics frustrated many House Republicans, who argued the strategy risked backfiring and paralyzing the conference's legislative agenda.

"There's a small group of Republicans who are upset at the Senate, as I think all of us are," Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart, R-Fla., told Fox News Monday. "But I don't know how ... if you're upset at the Senate, why do you take it out on the conservative Republican agenda in the House?"

But some conservatives argued the House should do whatever it takes to get the SAVE America Act to President Donald Trump's desk.

Trump has repeatedly said the election integrity measure is his top legislative priority. He even refused to sign a bipartisan housing bill last week aiming to boost supply and lower costs in protest of the SAVE America Act.

"We shouldn't vote on anything else unless it has the SAVE [America] Act, period," Rep. Ralph Norman, R-S.C., said Monday.

"Ideally, the Senate ought to take it up every day and make them vote on it and do a talking filibuster and keep them up all night," he continued. "That's the best course of action. I don't think they'll do that."

https://redstate.com/wardclark/2026/07/1...0-n2204358

Quote:Proof of Citizenship, Voter ID Now Closer to Passage in Reconciliation 3.0

On Wednesday, we learned that the House of Representatives is trying, again, to push through elements of the SAVE America election integrity package. This time, they will be pushing provisions from the SAVE America Act into what the House Republicans are calling "Reconciliation 3.0."


The voter identification and the proof of citizenship for registration elements should be included, at a minimum, as without those, the reforms don't carry much weight. Townhall's Senior Washington Correspondent, Cameron Arcand, reports:

The process to get a third reconciliation bill to President Donald Trump’s desk officially kicked off on Wednesday morning, as House leadership aims to get a budget resolution out of the chamber before the August recess – and it’s anticipated to include parts of the SAVE America Act along with hefty defense funding.

Senior House Republican leadership staff told reporters on Wednesday that the goal is for the resolution to pass out of the House Budget Committee on Thursday, and that the “Reconciliation 3.0” will have the primary goals of election security and “to protect and strengthen our homeland.”

“Safeguarding American elections and strengthening our national defense are the most basic responsibilities of Congress and are supported by an overwhelming majority of Americans,” Speaker Mike Johnson said in a statement after the resolution’s text was published.

The House, we should note, has already passed this bill three times. Three. All three times it has languished in the Senate, due to the 60-vote filibuster margin.

The staff described the proposal as a “narrow streamlined product” in order to successfully make it through both chambers, as a reconciliation bill will have to make it through past the Senate’s Byrd Rule. In the Senate, reconciliation bills only require a simple majority as opposed to the standard 60-vote majority.

“While House Republicans have UNANIMOUSLY PASSED the SAVE Act THREE TIMES, Congressional Democrats continue OBSTRUCTING our attempts to secure our elections and fund our men and women in uniform,” he added. “Not any longer.”

The trick remains the Senate. A reconciliation bill only requires a simple majority, but that may still be a climb for Senate Republicans. And, yes, Democrats will pull out all the stops in opposition, and it's not at all clear that folding any of this into a reconciliation bill will still get it through.

As there have been concerns that the Senate Parliamentarian will rule unfavorably for Republicans, particularly on the election provisions, an aide told reporters that “all efforts will be made that the product that ultimately comes out of the House will maintain privilege in the Senate.”

In the Senate, the chamber is navigating the death of Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), who chaired the Senate Budget Committee. Sen. Ron Johnson (R-W.I.) is expected to take over his role and is supportive of reconciliation efforts, Politico reported this week.

The Senate Majority Leader, Republican John Thune (R-SD), has stated support for the SAVE America Act, but has stopped short of proposing an end to the 60-vote filibuster rule, even though Democrats have promised to do precisely that at the first opportunity.

Clock's a tickin', Senator Thune.

This is, again, the single most important and the most consequential piece of legislation before Congress in this session. If we cannot secure our elections, then nothing else matters.

(06-27-2026 08:36 AM)solohawks Wrote:  The GOP Senate in a nutshell

That's hilarious, such a brilliant analogy.

(06-25-2026 11:48 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(06-25-2026 11:42 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-25-2026 11:39 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(06-25-2026 11:32 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-25-2026 11:17 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  If I feel you've answered honestly, I'll consider telling you that nothing is "free" and governments handouts are the front door to socialism.

Oh wow thank you for telling me that these things wouldn't magically be free!!!

So those things lead to socialism, yet if I tried to cite the Nordic countries you'd correctly say those aren't socialist countries. So I guess my question would be which of the countries you'd actually define as socialist or communist got there gradually by voting to increase government handouts?

And the answer is super simple, I have a young grandchild and parents in their 70's. My mother is in very poor health and if I even were able to move she'd almost never get to see him again. My brother, who's a naturalized Australian citizen, is about to have a child over there and it's unlikely she will realistically ever be able to go visit again because of her rapidly declining health. Is that an honest enough reason for you, you massive pile of human garbage.

With all of those family issues, I'd think you'd want to get them out of this horrible nation...even more!

Massive pile of garbage? Coming from a terrorist sympathizer, anti-semite, hater of this nation...I take that as an enormous compliment! Thank you!

So those things lead to socialism, yet if I tried to cite the Nordic countries you'd correctly say those aren't socialist countries. So I guess my question would be which of the countries you'd actually define as socialist or communist got there gradually by voting to increase government handouts?

How about this part?

Not sure how I can be more clear? Maybe a hand-drawn sketch in crayon?

Speaking generally, those countries (Nordic) are heading face-first into socialism. Eventually the free money will run out. This nation, sadly due to morons like yourself, ain't far behind. I guess the silver lining is that folks like you and I will be gone by that time and our grandkids will have to deal with this idiocy. Congrats?

He's trying to drag you down to his level of stupidity and beat you with experience. Mark Twain warned against this effort in futility. Plus, he gets all emotional, which, as we know, is a hallmark of the left. When they start arguing from an emotional standpoint, they lose any and all credibility because such logic and reason as they may possess get's tossed.

b0ndsj0nson Wrote:

Quote: But it'll work THIS time. We just know it will, by golly gee willikers! You old people just didn't do it right! Damn boomers! Step aside and let the new generations show you how it's done! Uh, hey Bernie, got a minute?

Meanwhile EVERY.SINGLE.ATTEMPT. at it, throughout our entire history as a nation, has failed, and failed dismally. But these idiots are going to make sure it gets done right this time!

(06-25-2026 09:51 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  None of the things I listed, raising the minimum wage/universal childcare/paid leave/universal healthcare are socialism. If they are then I can point to a lot of successful socialist countries.

I can't imagine why anybody would support universal childcare. Do you have any idea how hard it is to get GOOD for-profit or not-for-profit childcare? I can only imagine how bad gov't run childcare would be. FWIW, NC subsidizes up to 75% of daycare costs for people who qualify. That's a pretty insane amount for the state to subsidize really. I suspect you know this but you wouldn't qualify which is kind of hilarious actually. For all the crap you want gov't to do for people you'd pay way more into the system than you'd get the benefit.

(07-16-2026 08:42 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(06-25-2026 09:51 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  None of the things I listed, raising the minimum wage/universal childcare/paid leave/universal healthcare are socialism. If they are then I can point to a lot of successful socialist countries.

I can't imagine why anybody would support universal childcare. Do you have any idea how hard it is to get GOOD for-profit or not-for-profit childcare? I can only imagine how bad gov't run childcare would be. FWIW, NC subsidizes up to 75% of daycare costs for people who qualify. That's a pretty insane amount for the state to subsidize really. I suspect you know this but you wouldn't qualify which is kind of hilarious actually. For all the crap you want gov't to do for people you'd pay way more into the system than you'd get the benefit.

Govt has done such a great job with schools... I'm sure childcare would be phenomenal

(07-16-2026 09:53 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(07-16-2026 08:42 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(06-25-2026 09:51 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  None of the things I listed, raising the minimum wage/universal childcare/paid leave/universal healthcare are socialism. If they are then I can point to a lot of successful socialist countries.

I can't imagine why anybody would support universal childcare. Do you have any idea how hard it is to get GOOD for-profit or not-for-profit childcare? I can only imagine how bad gov't run childcare would be. FWIW, NC subsidizes up to 75% of daycare costs for people who qualify. That's a pretty insane amount for the state to subsidize really. I suspect you know this but you wouldn't qualify which is kind of hilarious actually. For all the crap you want gov't to do for people you'd pay way more into the system than you'd get the benefit.

Govt has done such a great job with schools... I'm sure childcare would be phenomenal

Universal childcare is called being a responsible parent.

Filth wanting the govt to take care of their kids are losers

(07-16-2026 10:42 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-16-2026 09:53 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(07-16-2026 08:42 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(06-25-2026 09:51 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  None of the things I listed, raising the minimum wage/universal childcare/paid leave/universal healthcare are socialism. If they are then I can point to a lot of successful socialist countries.

I can't imagine why anybody would support universal childcare. Do you have any idea how hard it is to get GOOD for-profit or not-for-profit childcare? I can only imagine how bad gov't run childcare would be. FWIW, NC subsidizes up to 75% of daycare costs for people who qualify. That's a pretty insane amount for the state to subsidize really. I suspect you know this but you wouldn't qualify which is kind of hilarious actually. For all the crap you want gov't to do for people you'd pay way more into the system than you'd get the benefit.

Govt has done such a great job with schools... I'm sure childcare would be phenomenal

Universal childcare is called being a responsible parent.

Filth wanting the govt to take care of their kids are losers

Exactly.

Some people don't want to be responsible parents.

Just like their parents before them.

Pathetic.

(07-16-2026 10:42 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-16-2026 09:53 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(07-16-2026 08:42 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(06-25-2026 09:51 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  None of the things I listed, raising the minimum wage/universal childcare/paid leave/universal healthcare are socialism. If they are then I can point to a lot of successful socialist countries.

I can't imagine why anybody would support universal childcare. Do you have any idea how hard it is to get GOOD for-profit or not-for-profit childcare? I can only imagine how bad gov't run childcare would be. FWIW, NC subsidizes up to 75% of daycare costs for people who qualify. That's a pretty insane amount for the state to subsidize really. I suspect you know this but you wouldn't qualify which is kind of hilarious actually. For all the crap you want gov't to do for people you'd pay way more into the system than you'd get the benefit.

Govt has done such a great job with schools... I'm sure childcare would be phenomenal

Universal childcare is called being a responsible parent.

Filth wanting the govt to groom and indoctrinate their children are losers.

FIFY

(07-16-2026 08:42 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(06-25-2026 09:51 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  None of the things I listed, raising the minimum wage/universal childcare/paid leave/universal healthcare are socialism. If they are then I can point to a lot of successful socialist countries.

I can't imagine why anybody would support universal childcare. Do you have any idea how hard it is to get GOOD for-profit or not-for-profit childcare? I can only imagine how bad gov't run childcare would be. FWIW, NC subsidizes up to 75% of daycare costs for people who qualify. That's a pretty insane amount for the state to subsidize really. I suspect you know this but you wouldn't qualify which is kind of hilarious actually. For all the crap you want gov't to do for people you'd pay way more into the system than you'd get the benefit.

Mhmm, that's called means testing, and IMO means testing is bad. There's a reason the only 2 social safety net programs that are truly universal are the ones with insane popularity, SS and Medicare, and all of the means tested ones routinely get cut and/or have those means tests increased to effectively cut them (while keeping all of the administrative bloat involved in doing all the means testing itself). Things that everyone pays into and everyone gets benefits from.

Is Social Security popular with those that would be means tested, or is it simply accepted because of the desire to get some of the money back that individuals have paid into it for so long, minus the lost ROI of course?

(06-25-2026 11:48 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(06-25-2026 11:42 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-25-2026 11:39 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(06-25-2026 11:32 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-25-2026 11:17 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  If I feel you've answered honestly, I'll consider telling you that nothing is "free" and governments handouts are the front door to socialism.

Oh wow thank you for telling me that these things wouldn't magically be free!!!

So those things lead to socialism, yet if I tried to cite the Nordic countries you'd correctly say those aren't socialist countries. So I guess my question would be which of the countries you'd actually define as socialist or communist got there gradually by voting to increase government handouts?

And the answer is super simple, I have a young grandchild and parents in their 70's. My mother is in very poor health and if I even were able to move she'd almost never get to see him again. My brother, who's a naturalized Australian citizen, is about to have a child over there and it's unlikely she will realistically ever be able to go visit again because of her rapidly declining health. Is that an honest enough reason for you, you massive pile of human garbage.

With all of those family issues, I'd think you'd want to get them out of this horrible nation...even more!

Massive pile of garbage? Coming from a terrorist sympathizer, anti-semite, hater of this nation...I take that as an enormous compliment! Thank you!

So those things lead to socialism, yet if I tried to cite the Nordic countries you'd correctly say those aren't socialist countries. So I guess my question would be which of the countries you'd actually define as socialist or communist got there gradually by voting to increase government handouts?

How about this part?

Not sure how I can be more clear? Maybe a hand-drawn sketch in crayon?

Speaking generally, those countries (Nordic) are heading face-first into socialism. Eventually the free money will run out. This nation, sadly due to morons like yourself, ain't far behind. I guess the silver lining is that folks like you and I will be gone by that time and our grandkids will have to deal with this idiocy. Congrats?

lol none of the Nordic countries are “headed to socialism” they all have free market economies with wide social safety nets. You can even argue they are “more” free market than the US due to much lower levels of corporate welfare and interference.

The Nordic countries all have much lower net debt to GDP ratios than the US.