(06-09-2026 04:17 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-09-2026 02:43 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-09-2026 02:38 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I just woke up from another IV detox ... where's the friggin' coffee???

bump … b/c it’s now back to where it belongs - At The Forefront!!!

#missionCritical

This is one thing it is okay to bump! "Just don't bump no more with no big fat woman!"

If Congress passes the Protect College Sports Act and fails to pass this one, they will have screwed up twice! But we all know the alternate meaning of the word "Congress" and it is absolutely Charlie Foxtrot up there the vast majority of the time! I swear the only time I feel comfortable about Congress is when they are on a break.

(06-23-2026 03:40 PM)JRsec Wrote:  This is one thing it is okay to bump! "Just don't bump no more with no big fat woman!"

If Congress passes the Protect College Sports Act and fails to pass this one, they will have screwed up twice! But we all know the alternate meaning of the word "Congress" and it is absolutely Charlie Foxtrot up there the vast majority of the time! I swear the only time I feel comfortable about Congress is when they are on a break.

That's when they do the least amount of damage

yesterday (on Hannity's radio show whilst in the field), I caught a clip from Tubby and Lee how about why it needs to hit the floor ... you can go find it if'n ya wanna ... the gist of the argument was how votes CAN change if allowed...

#groverII has 'em by the cods on this 'host(il)(ag)e takeover ... we'll see if he holds firm...

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5927...erica-act/

Quote:Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R-S.D.) said Tuesday his conference does not have enough votes to bypass the filibuster to pass the Safeguard American Voter Eligibility (SAVE America) Act.

“The only way you can get … this done is to nuke the legislative filibuster, and that is not something that we have anywhere close to the votes to do,” Thune told host Bret Baier on Fox News’s “Special Report.”

President Trump has made the SAVE America Act one of his top legislative priorities for months and has called on GOP senators to scrap the regular filibuster — the 60-vote threshold to pass most legislation in the upper chamber — in order to pass it.

The SAVE America Act proposes requiring Americans to provide proof of citizenship to register to vote in federal elections. The House passed the bill in February, but it has stalled in the Senate over the unwillingness from some Republicans to change filibuster rules.

In recent days, Trump has tied the SAVE America Act to another of his priorities, the extension of Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

The latter provision, which provides the federal government with the ability to conduct warrantless surveillance of foreign nationals, lapsed last week amid outrage from Democrats about Trump tapping Bill Pulte to serve as acting director of national intelligence.

The president said Wednesday he is pausing the confirmation process for federal prosecutor Jay Clayton’s nomination to be the director until Congress approves FISA and the voting bill. Thune’s Fox News interview occurred before Trump’s announcement.

“I will not approve FISA without THE SAVE AMERICA ACT going along with it,” Trump wrote Wednesday on Truth Social.

... @2fer1

Trump with a bomb on their bipartisan legislation for housing

(06-24-2026 10:01 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Trump with a bomb on their bipartisan legislation for housing

There's a 10 day clock that started at some point (I'm not exactly sure what day that would be) where some resolution to this will happen. There's no him sitting on this as a threat for months. The only real question here that's hard for me to figure out is would he be able to sit on it for 10 days and it fall under the rules for a pocket veto? I'm fairly certain though it wouldn't actually be possible unless the Congress intentionally fumbles the ball/wants it to die that way.

(06-24-2026 10:35 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  There's a 10 day clock that started at some point (I'm not exactly sure what day that would be) where some resolution to this will happen. There's no him sitting on this as a threat for months. The only real question here that's hard for me to figure out is would he be able to sit on it for 10 days and it fall under the rules for a pocket veto? I'm fairly certain though it wouldn't actually be possible unless the Congress intentionally fumbles the ball/wants it to die that way.

10 days

If Congress is in session and he does not sign it becomes law
If Congress is not in session and he does not sign it is pocket vetoed

Since Congress is never out of session anymore he has to veto it to stop it from becoming law

If everyone voted the same, Congress has enough votes to override veto as well

As a fan of election integrity i like him canceling the pomp and circumstance that politicians love in order to make a point, but realistically the Senate is not going to be moved by this

(06-24-2026 10:47 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-24-2026 10:35 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  There's a 10 day clock that started at some point (I'm not exactly sure what day that would be) where some resolution to this will happen. There's no him sitting on this as a threat for months. The only real question here that's hard for me to figure out is would he be able to sit on it for 10 days and it fall under the rules for a pocket veto? I'm fairly certain though it wouldn't actually be possible unless the Congress intentionally fumbles the ball/wants it to die that way.

10 days

If Congress is in session and he does not sign it becomes law
If Congress is not in session and he does not sign it is pocket vetoed

Since Congress is never out of session anymore he has to veto it to stop it from becoming law

If everyone voted the same, Congress has enough votes to override veto as well

As a fan of election integrity i like him canceling the pomp and circumstance that politicians love in order to make a point, but realistically the Senate is not going to be moved by this

In theory Congress is supposed to be out of session after July 3rd, so depending on when that clock started there is a way for them to be out of session within a 10 day window since Sunday's are excluded from the 10 days. However, upon more googling all congress has to do is just have some authorized agents in place to "receive" any veto to negate any ability to use a pocket veto. At this point you'd have to actually be either completely incompetent or actively want a pocket veto for it to occur. So basically this is performative, but I still can appreciate him doing it and making his own people look bad to prove a point and try to get what he wants.

(06-24-2026 10:35 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-24-2026 10:01 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Trump with a bomb on their bipartisan legislation for housing

There's a 10 day clock that started at some point (I'm not exactly sure what day that would be) where some resolution to this will happen. There's no him sitting on this as a threat for months. The only real question here that's hard for me to figure out is would he be able to sit on it for 10 days and it fall under the rules for a pocket veto? I'm fairly certain though it wouldn't actually be possible unless the Congress intentionally fumbles the ball/wants it to die that way.

regardless, it would then pass on to the 'next' one they wanted signed...

this is the beginning of poli-hardball with rise and movement ... he's got 'em by the cods going into the mids ... what they're afraid of is it passing and THEN, being held accountable ... that's their real fear ... toss in the globohomo-corpshite 'murica types that would lose more grip on the 'reigns', and it becomes a nightmare for the lobbyist/PAC crew...

and he's shown he's hardly afraid to call 'em out by name...

there are all kinds of ways to view why Thune is playing the hem haw game ... I'm simply not one to worry about saying the quiet part out loud...

(06-24-2026 10:58 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-24-2026 10:35 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-24-2026 10:01 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Trump with a bomb on their bipartisan legislation for housing

There's a 10 day clock that started at some point (I'm not exactly sure what day that would be) where some resolution to this will happen. There's no him sitting on this as a threat for months. The only real question here that's hard for me to figure out is would he be able to sit on it for 10 days and it fall under the rules for a pocket veto? I'm fairly certain though it wouldn't actually be possible unless the Congress intentionally fumbles the ball/wants it to die that way.

regardless, it would then pass on to the 'next' one they wanted signed...

this is the beginning of poli-hardball with rise and movement ... he's got 'em by the cods going into the mids ... what they're afraid of is it passing and THEN, being held accountable ... that's their real fear ... toss in the globohomo-corpshite 'murica types that would lose more grip on the 'reigns', and it becomes a nightmare for the lobbyist/PAC crew...

and he's shown he's hardly afraid to call 'em out by name...

there are all kinds of ways to view why Thune is playing the hem haw game ... I'm simply not one to worry about saying the quiet part out loud...

I disagree. What they fear is nuking the filibuster, which is a tool more useful to the party that doesn't actually want the government to do things. The only things the establishment GOP want to do are tax cuts and judges, things you can do with 51 votes already. The last thing they want is for the filibuster to be gone and the next time the Dems get a trifecta they pass a bunch of bills with 51 votes giving out "MUH FREE STUFF." Sure, in theory they can just use the simple 51 vote majority to get ride of said free stuff later, but it's a lot less popular to take "FREE STUFF away after people have gotten it than stopping them from getting it in the first place.

Update - of course there is an extra layer - the bill may not have been presented to the President yet and thus the 10 day clock may not have started. Apparently the Speaker is the one who gets to determine when it's presented to the President

(06-24-2026 01:00 PM)UABFAN23 Wrote:  Either you shove the Save act into a reconciliation bill or you do the talking filibuster. If you can’t stand and out talk democrats until they give up, then you won’t stand up for America on anything else.

This is the most important bill in our lifetimes, besides the civil rights act that Republicans had no issues within its party about passing. Every course correcting and History making bill has been passed by republicans. No reason to balk now.

Shoving it into a recon bill is essentially killing the filibuster, as it's obviously outside the rules of reconciliation and doing that just forever opens the door to shoving anything in recon bills going forward whether it's connected to the budget or not. Trump is actually correct in just saying you have to nuke the filibuster to pass it, because all work arounds are de-facto nuking it and will be treated as such.

(06-24-2026 01:23 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-24-2026 01:00 PM)UABFAN23 Wrote:  Either you shove the Save act into a reconciliation bill or you do the talking filibuster. If you can’t stand and out talk democrats until they give up, then you won’t stand up for America on anything else.

This is the most important bill in our lifetimes, besides the civil rights act that Republicans had no issues within its party about passing. Every course correcting and History making bill has been passed by republicans. No reason to balk now.

Shoving it into a recon bill is essentially killing the filibuster, as it's obviously outside the rules of reconciliation and doing that just forever opens the door to shoving anything in recon bills going forward whether it's connected to the budget or not. Trump is actually correct in just saying you have to nuke the filibuster to pass it, because all work arounds are de-facto nuking it and will be treated as such.

They could force an old school filibuster - but they do not want to yield the floor the Democrats

The Republicans are about to prove once again why I don't give a sh!t about them, either.

The only difference between them and the Commies is they do pass some stuff I like now and then, just not everything, unfortunately.

The Dems, OTOH, would just prefer I die.

And this bill is the most important bill ever. The short term direction of our country literally depends on it.

(06-24-2026 01:00 PM)UABFAN23 Wrote:  Either you shove the Save act into a reconciliation bill or you do the talking filibuster. If you can’t stand and out talk democrats until they give up, then you won’t stand up for America on anything else.

This is the most important bill in our lifetimes, besides the civil rights act that Republicans had no issues within its party about passing. Every course correcting and History making bill has been passed by republicans. No reason to balk now.

Agree.

(06-24-2026 11:21 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-24-2026 10:58 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-24-2026 10:35 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-24-2026 10:01 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Trump with a bomb on their bipartisan legislation for housing

There's a 10 day clock that started at some point (I'm not exactly sure what day that would be) where some resolution to this will happen. There's no him sitting on this as a threat for months. The only real question here that's hard for me to figure out is would he be able to sit on it for 10 days and it fall under the rules for a pocket veto? I'm fairly certain though it wouldn't actually be possible unless the Congress intentionally fumbles the ball/wants it to die that way.

regardless, it would then pass on to the 'next' one they wanted signed...

this is the beginning of poli-hardball with rise and movement ... he's got 'em by the cods going into the mids ... what they're afraid of is it passing and THEN, being held accountable ... that's their real fear ... toss in the globohomo-corpshite 'murica types that would lose more grip on the 'reigns', and it becomes a nightmare for the lobbyist/PAC crew...

and he's shown he's hardly afraid to call 'em out by name...

there are all kinds of ways to view why Thune is playing the hem haw game ... I'm simply not one to worry about saying the quiet part out loud...

I disagree. What they fear is nuking the filibuster, which is a tool more useful to the party that doesn't actually want the government to do things. The only things the establishment GOP want to do are tax cuts and judges, things you can do with 51 votes already. The last thing they want is for the filibuster to be gone and the next time the Dems get a trifecta they pass a bunch of bills with 51 votes giving out "MUH FREE STUFF." Sure, in theory they can just use the simple 51 vote majority to get ride of said free stuff later, but it's a lot less popular to take "FREE STUFF away after people have gotten it than stopping them from getting it in the first place.

addressed the filibuster in the very first post...

Quote:this is what I and others have been pining for over the years ... IMO, this is worth nuking the filibuster to pass through the senate ... it's time for Thune to grow a sac, or remove him from leadership ... it's now or never time!!!

what I disagree with is your reasoning ... they know if the donks ever regain control, they're nukin' it ... therefore, if you really want to fight for the people and the republic, you can't ignore an 85% mandate and then vote against b/c of muh bs...

that's the real issue ... WHY?!?

it's littered throughout the thread ... that's why I started this BEFORE it became a hot issue ... I couldn't get Failla to address it before the '24 election ... now that fat fkr won't shut up about it ... funny how that shite works...

this and muh mail-it-inns are all I give two fks about when it comes to voting and politics...

pass this, and then I'll be all ears when discussing best method solutions ... until then, one may as well piss in the wind to quench and bathe to save a 'step' when dealing with congressional issues...

(06-24-2026 01:42 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-24-2026 01:23 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-24-2026 01:00 PM)UABFAN23 Wrote:  Either you shove the Save act into a reconciliation bill or you do the talking filibuster. If you can’t stand and out talk democrats until they give up, then you won’t stand up for America on anything else.

This is the most important bill in our lifetimes, besides the civil rights act that Republicans had no issues within its party about passing. Every course correcting and History making bill has been passed by republicans. No reason to balk now.

Shoving it into a recon bill is essentially killing the filibuster, as it's obviously outside the rules of reconciliation and doing that just forever opens the door to shoving anything in recon bills going forward whether it's connected to the budget or not. Trump is actually correct in just saying you have to nuke the filibuster to pass it, because all work arounds are de-facto nuking it and will be treated as such.

They could force an old school filibuster - but they do not want to yield the floor the Democrats

why ... that's XACLY! what they should want...

(06-24-2026 01:00 PM)UABFAN23 Wrote:  Either you shove the Save act into a reconciliation bill or you do the talking filibuster. If you can’t stand and out talk democrats until they give up, then you won’t stand up for America on anything else.

This is the most important bill in our lifetimes, besides the civil rights act that Republicans had no issues within its party about passing. Every course correcting and History making bill has been passed by republicans. No reason to balk now.

Ja! es ist!!!

(06-24-2026 08:20 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  yesterday (on Hannity's radio show whilst in the field), I caught a clip from Tubby and Lee how about why it needs to hit the floor ... you can go find it if'n ya wanna ... the gist of the argument was how votes CAN change if allowed...

#groverII has 'em by the cods on this 'host(il)(ag)e takeover ... we'll see if he holds firm...

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5927...erica-act/

Quote:Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R-S.D.) said Tuesday his conference does not have enough votes to bypass the filibuster to pass the Safeguard American Voter Eligibility (SAVE America) Act.

“The only way you can get … this done is to nuke the legislative filibuster, and that is not something that we have anywhere close to the votes to do,” Thune told host Bret Baier on Fox News’s “Special Report.”

President Trump has made the SAVE America Act one of his top legislative priorities for months and has called on GOP senators to scrap the regular filibuster — the 60-vote threshold to pass most legislation in the upper chamber — in order to pass it.

The SAVE America Act proposes requiring Americans to provide proof of citizenship to register to vote in federal elections. The House passed the bill in February, but it has stalled in the Senate over the unwillingness from some Republicans to change filibuster rules.

In recent days, Trump has tied the SAVE America Act to another of his priorities, the extension of Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

The latter provision, which provides the federal government with the ability to conduct warrantless surveillance of foreign nationals, lapsed last week amid outrage from Democrats about Trump tapping Bill Pulte to serve as acting director of national intelligence.

The president said Wednesday he is pausing the confirmation process for federal prosecutor Jay Clayton’s nomination to be the director until Congress approves FISA and the voting bill. Thune’s Fox News interview occurred before Trump’s announcement.

“I will not approve FISA without THE SAVE AMERICA ACT going along with it,” Trump wrote Wednesday on Truth Social.

bwahahahahahahahaha...

Quote:Irate Republicans accuse Trump of handing Democrats a win after blowing up housing package
Sen Thom Tillis says Democrats 'really appreciate' Trump's last-minute move as GOP frustration mounts

The Senate was left in a state of confusion and anger in the wake of President Donald Trump's last-minute declaration that he would not sign into law a colossal housing package filled with his own priorities.