(12-11-2025 02:12 AM)TripleA Wrote: Do leftists ever get anything exactly right in a debate? Seems like all half truths or twisted reality.
There is a huge irony as well... the retard is a leftist making points as to why leftist socialist policies literally destroy countries. He is literally arguing against what he stands for but doesnt even realize it.
My question is: now that they've seized this tanker what will they do with it? Will they force it to return to Venezuela or seize the oil for ourselves? Will the tanker have to float out there in the ocean until kingdom come?
(12-11-2025 08:02 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: I’m glad to know the US military is now serving and executing civil warrants. Maybe I can sign up my local Rangers detachment to execute service on my next subpoenas or execute a court authorized seizure. Sounds fun.
Since you've ignored the other threads....
Have you ever been or are you currently a member of the National Lawyers Guild?
(12-11-2025 10:16 AM)olliebaba Wrote: My question is: now that they've seized this tanker what will they do with it? Will they force it to return to Venezuela or seize the oil for ourselves? Will the tanker have to float out there in the ocean until kingdom come?
No, really, what's the next step?
AI Search, for a start:
Quote:The U.S. intends to seize and sell oil from tankers involved in sanction violations, with proceeds often going to victim compensation funds for terrorism, but in the recent December 2025 seizure of the Venezuelan tanker Skipper, President Trump indicated they would "keep it, I guess," suggesting potential use for U.S. benefit, possibly for future sale or leverage in negotiations with Venezuela, though the destination and specific use for this batch remain somewhat ambiguous but aimed at pressuring the Maduro regime.
(12-11-2025 08:02 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: I’m glad to know the US military is now serving and executing civil warrants. Maybe I can sign up my local Rangers detachment to execute service on my next subpoenas or execute a court authorized seizure. Sounds fun.
Since you've ignored the other threads....
Have you ever been or are you currently a member of the National Lawyers Guild?
(12-11-2025 10:16 AM)olliebaba Wrote: My question is: now that they've seized this tanker what will they do with it? Will they force it to return to Venezuela or seize the oil for ourselves? Will the tanker have to float out there in the ocean until kingdom come?
No, really, what's the next step?
Take it to Galveston and off load it and then refine it.
(12-11-2025 09:04 AM)TripleA Wrote: Hey Tanq, Sen. Sheehy of Montana just gave you a shout-out. He said any American who opposes our actions in Venezuela (the boat strikes and tanker seizure) is a disgusting person, and should be ashamed of himself.
Asking why the military is enforcing civil forfeitures is the mark of a 'disgusting person' and an act they 'should be ashamed of'? Cool cool.
Goes hand in hand with your attitude for asking what the legal basis for the military actions against boats is. Double cool cool.
What other items is questioning off limits for these days in your mind? This could get fun.
(12-11-2025 10:16 AM)olliebaba Wrote: My question is: now that they've seized this tanker what will they do with it? Will they force it to return to Venezuela or seize the oil for ourselves? Will the tanker have to float out there in the ocean until kingdom come?
No, really, what's the next step?
Take it to Galveston and off load it and then refine it.
(12-11-2025 08:02 AM)tanqtonic Wrote: I’m glad to know the US military is now serving and executing civil warrants. Maybe I can sign up my local Rangers detachment to execute service on my next subpoenas or execute a court authorized seizure. Sounds fun.
Since you've ignored the other threads....
Have you ever been or are you currently a member of the National Lawyers Guild?
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Nope, just ignore your dumb*** empty questions. But please keep bleating it. I think you are up to about 13 or 14 times on this one.
I heard ritalin works smashingly for issues like yours.
(12-11-2025 09:53 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: Sanction enforcement is not "against the law". We have done it before. Google Suez Rajan. I know, no one has heard of it.....because it happened during the Biden Administration. Our country is so phucked by the "news".
"The Marshall Islands-flagged Suez Rajan, carrying Iranian-grade crude oil,[1] was seized in April 2023 by the US Department of Justice.[2] The Suez Rajan was carrying about 800,000 barrels of oil, a cargo worth about $56 million.[3] The US justification for the seizure was violation of US sanctions on Iran's oil exports, and the US said the Suez Rajan scheme "attempted to disguise the origin of the oil using ship-to-ship transfers". Suez Rajan Ltd., the owner of the ship, pleaded guilty and was fined $2.5 million. The US claimed ownership of the confiscated oil.[4] As the original payment to Iran for the Iranian oil was done using US dollar transaction wire transfers, without a license issued by the Office of Foreign Assets Control of the US Department of the Treasury, the US could claim jurisdiction under US law.[5]"
Funny, never said sanction enforcement actions werent enforceable. Calling into question the use of the military in extraterritorial aspects. Might want to retool your pithy off the subject answer to one more on point.
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For those in RIO Linda
"In the United States Code, the IEEPA is Title 50, §§1701–1707.[3] The IEEPA authorizes the president to declare the existence of an "unusual and extraordinary threat ... to the national security, foreign policy, or economy of the United States" that originates "in whole or substantial part outside the United States."[4] It further authorizes the president, after such a declaration, to block transactions and freeze assets to deal with the threat and requires the president to report to Congress every 6 months on the circumstances, threats and actions taken.[5] In the event of an actual attack on the United States, the president can also confiscate property connected with a country, group, or person that aided in the attack.[6]
IEEPA falls under the provisions of the National Emergencies Act (NEA), which means that an emergency declared under the act must be renewed annually to remain in effect.[7]"
There is precedents.
(12-11-2025 09:53 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: Sanction enforcement is not "against the law". We have done it before. Google Suez Rajan. I know, no one has heard of it.....because it happened during the Biden Administration. Our country is so phucked by the "news".
"The Marshall Islands-flagged Suez Rajan, carrying Iranian-grade crude oil,[1] was seized in April 2023 by the US Department of Justice.[2] The Suez Rajan was carrying about 800,000 barrels of oil, a cargo worth about $56 million.[3] The US justification for the seizure was violation of US sanctions on Iran's oil exports, and the US said the Suez Rajan scheme "attempted to disguise the origin of the oil using ship-to-ship transfers". Suez Rajan Ltd., the owner of the ship, pleaded guilty and was fined $2.5 million. The US claimed ownership of the confiscated oil.[4] As the original payment to Iran for the Iranian oil was done using US dollar transaction wire transfers, without a license issued by the Office of Foreign Assets Control of the US Department of the Treasury, the US could claim jurisdiction under US law.[5]"
Yeah, oil tankers often try to skirt sanctions. Typically, they'll transfer oil out at sea between ships in order to obscure origin. U.S. authorities, including the Coast Guard and Navy, can board and seize vessels for violations of U.S. law, including OFAC sanctions, particularly in U.S. territorial waters, but also potentially on the high seas under specific legal authorities.
(12-11-2025 09:53 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: Sanction enforcement is not "against the law". We have done it before. Google Suez Rajan. I know, no one has heard of it.....because it happened during the Biden Administration. Our country is so phucked by the "news".
"The Marshall Islands-flagged Suez Rajan, carrying Iranian-grade crude oil,[1] was seized in April 2023 by the US Department of Justice.[2] The Suez Rajan was carrying about 800,000 barrels of oil, a cargo worth about $56 million.[3] The US justification for the seizure was violation of US sanctions on Iran's oil exports, and the US said the Suez Rajan scheme "attempted to disguise the origin of the oil using ship-to-ship transfers". Suez Rajan Ltd., the owner of the ship, pleaded guilty and was fined $2.5 million. The US claimed ownership of the confiscated oil.[4] As the original payment to Iran for the Iranian oil was done using US dollar transaction wire transfers, without a license issued by the Office of Foreign Assets Control of the US Department of the Treasury, the US could claim jurisdiction under US law.[5]"
Yeah, oil tankers often try to skirt sanctions. Typically, they'll transfer oil out at sea between ships in order to obscure origin. U.S. authorities, including the Coast Guard and Navy, can board and seize vessels for violations of U.S. law, including OFAC sanctions, particularly in U.S. territorial waters, but also potentially on the high seas under specific legal authorities.
In this case the tanker was sailing under a Guyana Flag. Guyana said it wasn't theirs. As I said above, this exact same thing happened under Biden and no one even heard about it. Suez Rajan. We are living with a Soviet style Propaganda media. They sit there and lie straight to our faces, when they know the truth.
(This post was last modified: 12-11-2025 12:04 PM by Eagleaidaholic.)
(12-11-2025 09:53 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: Sanction enforcement is not "against the law". We have done it before. Google Suez Rajan. I know, no one has heard of it.....because it happened during the Biden Administration. Our country is so phucked by the "news".
"The Marshall Islands-flagged Suez Rajan, carrying Iranian-grade crude oil,[1] was seized in April 2023 by the US Department of Justice.[2] The Suez Rajan was carrying about 800,000 barrels of oil, a cargo worth about $56 million.[3] The US justification for the seizure was violation of US sanctions on Iran's oil exports, and the US said the Suez Rajan scheme "attempted to disguise the origin of the oil using ship-to-ship transfers". Suez Rajan Ltd., the owner of the ship, pleaded guilty and was fined $2.5 million. The US claimed ownership of the confiscated oil.[4] As the original payment to Iran for the Iranian oil was done using US dollar transaction wire transfers, without a license issued by the Office of Foreign Assets Control of the US Department of the Treasury, the US could claim jurisdiction under US law.[5]"
Yeah, oil tankers often try to skirt sanctions. Typically, they'll transfer oil out at sea between ships in order to obscure origin. U.S. authorities, including the Coast Guard and Navy, can board and seize vessels for violations of U.S. law, including OFAC sanctions, particularly in U.S. territorial waters, but also potentially on the high seas under specific legal authorities.
In this case the tanker was sailing under a Guyana Flag. Guyana said it wasn't theirs. As I said above, this exact same thing happened under Biden and no one even heard about it. Suez Rajan. We are living with a Soviet style Propaganda media. They sit there and lie straight to our faces, when they know the truth.
Nope. Wasnt the "exact same thing". Even *after* your continued stating of it.
(12-11-2025 11:07 AM)TripleA Wrote: Wasn't me who said any of that. It was Senator Sheehy of Montana.
Way to twist around what I posted, like you always do.
Just stated what I actually did do, chico. Instead of what you broadcast. Imagine that.
Details are a real issue for you, champ. Might want brush up on them a bit. But I know the challenges that exist for you in doing something aside from the pure 'throw and watch' schtick that you perform so well.
(12-11-2025 09:53 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: Sanction enforcement is not "against the law". We have done it before. Google Suez Rajan. I know, no one has heard of it.....because it happened during the Biden Administration. Our country is so phucked by the "news".
"The Marshall Islands-flagged Suez Rajan, carrying Iranian-grade crude oil,[1] was seized in April 2023 by the US Department of Justice.[2] The Suez Rajan was carrying about 800,000 barrels of oil, a cargo worth about $56 million.[3] The US justification for the seizure was violation of US sanctions on Iran's oil exports, and the US said the Suez Rajan scheme "attempted to disguise the origin of the oil using ship-to-ship transfers". Suez Rajan Ltd., the owner of the ship, pleaded guilty and was fined $2.5 million. The US claimed ownership of the confiscated oil.[4] As the original payment to Iran for the Iranian oil was done using US dollar transaction wire transfers, without a license issued by the Office of Foreign Assets Control of the US Department of the Treasury, the US could claim jurisdiction under US law.[5]"
Funny, never said sanction enforcement actions werent enforceable. Calling into question the use of the military in extraterritorial aspects. Might want to retool your pithy off the subject answer to one more on point.
First off---its flying under a false flag. A nation can intercept, detain, investigate, and seize a ship flying a false flag treating it as a stateless vessel outside of normal protections----especially if its involved in sanctions violations or other illegal activities. Furthermore, what difference does it make what branch of US government intercepts it? Its outside of US waters on the high seas---and it was unknown if the crew would resist. Maybe it just came down to the the US Navy represented the closest force that that could make a show of force sufficient enough to minimize the likelihood of crew resistance....or maybe the ship foolishly entered into an area of denial zone around the current Navy operations off the coast of Venezuela. Im not sure why it matters what branch of the US seizes the ship when its outside of US waters.
(This post was last modified: 12-11-2025 01:46 PM by Attackcoog.)
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