https://www.youtube.com/live/uRkKRha4TLo...1_9whGL9Uu

Still don't understand how to embed videos I guess.

(11-13-2025 03:55 PM)Roxie Wrote:  Still don't understand how to embed videos I guess.

(11-13-2025 03:55 PM)Roxie Wrote:  Still don't understand how to embed videos I guess.

What does it matter to you? This video is not even for you.

(11-13-2025 03:59 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(11-13-2025 03:55 PM)Roxie Wrote:  Still don't understand how to embed videos I guess.

What does it matter to you? This video is not even for you.

"She" doesn't care. "She" is just a leftist troll.

(11-13-2025 04:03 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(11-13-2025 03:59 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(11-13-2025 03:55 PM)Roxie Wrote:  Still don't understand how to embed videos I guess.

What does it matter to you? This video is not even for you.

"She" doesn't care. "She" is just a leftist troll.

That's why I said this video isn't for her.

Trump screwed up on Laura Engram saying H1B visa are needed because there is not enough talent in the USA. Makes you wonder why he is flip flopping on the subject.

(11-13-2025 07:19 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  Trump screwed up on Laura Engram saying H1B visa are needed because there is not enough talent in the USA. Makes you wonder why he is flip flopping on the subject.

how is he wrong ... when DEI is the crux of foundational development, do ewes not understand the concept of 'low hanging fruit' for breakfast, lunch, and supper...

what 'po®tion' of economic cannibalism do ewes not understand ... help me out there, puddin'...

Seems like Roxie has the hots for andybible.

He’s married you tramp!

(11-13-2025 08:53 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Seems like Roxie has the hots for andybible.

He’s married you tramp!

It's probably just Kruciff using a new account after he all but nuked his old one.

Go into ANY US University's science/STEM department and you will be hard pressed to find Americans. American kids don't want to work. They are going into the arts. American kids lack discipline and drive. Asian kids do not. Trump is right.

(11-13-2025 09:21 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Go into ANY US University's science/STEM department and you will be hard pressed to find Americans. American kids don't want to work. They are going into the arts. American kids lack discipline and drive. Asian kids do not. Trump is right.

That doesn't mean give up on them entirely though. Isn't MAGA supposed to be a rejection of DIE initiatives?

(11-13-2025 09:39 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(11-13-2025 09:21 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Go into ANY US University's science/STEM department and you will be hard pressed to find Americans. American kids don't want to work. They are going into the arts. American kids lack discipline and drive. Asian kids do not. Trump is right.

That doesn't mean give up on them entirely though. Isn't MAGA supposed to be a rejection of DIE initiatives?

You can't make kids all of a sudden be more hungry. They were all given trophies for showing up and had their parents argue with whomever said they weren't trying hard enough. Getting qualified employees from overseas is the complete opposite of DEI.

(11-13-2025 09:14 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(11-13-2025 08:53 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Seems like Roxie has the hots for andybible.

He’s married you tramp!

It's probably just Kruciff using a new account after he all but nuked his old one.

You know what? After thinking about it a little more, it wouldn't surprise me. And what a lame attempt, too.

(11-13-2025 09:39 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(11-13-2025 09:21 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Go into ANY US University's science/STEM department and you will be hard pressed to find Americans. American kids don't want to work. They are going into the arts. American kids lack discipline and drive. Asian kids do not. Trump is right.

That doesn't mean give up on them entirely though. Isn't MAGA supposed to be a rejection of DIE initiatives?

STEM programs are meant for the best and brightest. I don't care if they are white, black, brown or purple. Where I take issue is if a single STEM program allows an exchange student in their program over a US citizen. If Americans are too stupid or lazy to qualify and schools need to fill their rosters with transfer students by all means.

population by country

India: ~1,463,870,000
China: ~1,416,100,000
United States: ~347,276,000

(11-13-2025 04:03 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(11-13-2025 03:59 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(11-13-2025 03:55 PM)Roxie Wrote:  Still don't understand how to embed videos I guess.

What does it matter to you? This video is not even for you.

"She" doesn't care. "She" is just a leftist troll.

I know nothing about whoever Roxie is, but a whole lot of actual leftists (and by leftists I don't mean the Dem party) think the H1-B program as constructed is terrible, takes American jobs, and depresses wages for American's. I am one of those leftists. I'm not sure if I would argue the entire program should be completely eliminated, but the program as currently constructed needs to be eliminated and there would need to be some extremely compelling reasons given as to why a much smaller scale much differently structured version is actually needed.

Let's just ignore the fact that it's massively exploited to hire workers who you could find American's for you'd just have to pay them more (a massive problem you can't ignore BTW) and focus on in theory what the point of it was sold to be. The point was in theory these companies claim they need workers with very specialized skills and areas of expertise that currently American workers don't possess. Okay, I can get short term why in some super specialized fields like chip manufacturing in the short term you'd need this, but that's the key the short term. The companies want this to be a permanent solution to cycle through workers they can pay less and that can't leave because their visa status is tied to that employer.

I actually don't think there's anything being done with the H1-B program that couldn't be accomplished with a completely temporary worker program for high skilled labor. As a country you don't want your only source of labor for lets just keep saying chip manufacturing to be forever bringing in foreign labor. What you'd actually want in a healthy society is to bring in the labor in the short term and train up a local workforce that can do the job long term. Unless you believe American's are just inferior to citizens of other countries (I don't) that can absolutely be done. Companies don't want to do that though because of increased costs on both ends. On the front end if it's a completely temporary worker program with no path to a green card or citizenship (and I'm serious I actually do mean no path on that visa not marriage not having a child nothing and spell it out plain as day) for the highly skilled labor they'd inherently have to pay a lot more since they can't sell that as an intangible benefit to be paid less. Oh well, if you can only exist with an underpaid exploitable workforce you shouldn't exist. On the back end they don't want that because they don't want to have to actually spend money to train American's to do the jobs and pay what it costs to hire American's for those jobs. Again too bad so sad if you can't exist without being able to pay market rates for American workers again you shouldn't exist as a company.

(11-13-2025 09:39 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(11-13-2025 09:21 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Go into ANY US University's science/STEM department and you will be hard pressed to find Americans. American kids don't want to work. They are going into the arts. American kids lack discipline and drive. Asian kids do not. Trump is right.

That doesn't mean give up on them entirely though. Isn't MAGA supposed to be a rejection of DIE initiatives?

Damn, look at us agreeing completely. This ain't actually about that American's are lazy, untrainable, and don't want to work. This is about these mega companies would much rather pretend American's couldn't be trained to do this work and they have to be allowed to forever import a class of underpaid exploitable workers. If they had to hire exclusively American's they'd have to pay them considerably more, with considerably better benefits, and they'd have the freedom to leave for other higher paying jobs if they wanted. Instead they want workers who's entire visa status is tied to being with that particular company so they can under pay them, over work them, and the options for the worker are deal with it or go home. This is crap, I would truly think anyone who was MAGA/America first would recognize it as crap, and would demand these companies stop pretending American's could never learn how to do these jobs (and plenty of H1B's go to jobs that have no business being H1B in the first place that aren't that highly skilled).

(11-13-2025 10:58 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(11-13-2025 09:39 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(11-13-2025 09:21 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Go into ANY US University's science/STEM department and you will be hard pressed to find Americans. American kids don't want to work. They are going into the arts. American kids lack discipline and drive. Asian kids do not. Trump is right.

That doesn't mean give up on them entirely though. Isn't MAGA supposed to be a rejection of DIE initiatives?

You can't make kids all of a sudden be more hungry. They were all given trophies for showing up and had their parents argue with whomever said they weren't trying hard enough. Getting qualified employees from overseas is the complete opposite of DEI.

Getting cheaper employees from overseas who you can completely exploit is the opposite of DEI, can't argue with that.

(11-14-2025 08:09 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-13-2025 09:39 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(11-13-2025 09:21 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Go into ANY US University's science/STEM department and you will be hard pressed to find Americans. American kids don't want to work. They are going into the arts. American kids lack discipline and drive. Asian kids do not. Trump is right.

That doesn't mean give up on them entirely though. Isn't MAGA supposed to be a rejection of DIE initiatives?

Damn, look at us agreeing completely. This ain't actually about that American's are lazy, untrainable, and don't want to work. This is about these mega companies would much rather pretend American's couldn't be trained to do this work and they have to be allowed to forever import a class of underpaid exploitable workers. If they had to hire exclusively American's they'd have to pay them considerably more, with considerably better benefits, and they'd have the freedom to leave for other higher paying jobs if they wanted. Instead they want workers who's entire visa status is tied to being with that particular company so they can under pay them, over work them, and the options for the worker are deal with it or go home. This is crap, I would truly think anyone who was MAGA/America first would recognize it as crap, and would demand these companies stop pretending American's could never learn how to do these jobs (and plenty of H1B's go to jobs that have no business being H1B in the first place that aren't that highly skilled).

I agree with everything you said. Working in IT I know firsthand the damage the H1B visa has caused. Along the same line companies are laying off American workers saying AI is the reason when in reality they are rehiring those positions with overseas workers at a 1/3 the price.