(11-14-2025 10:31 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote: (11-14-2025 08:01 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: (11-13-2025 04:03 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote: (11-13-2025 03:59 PM)andybible1995 Wrote: (11-13-2025 03:55 PM)Roxie Wrote: Still don't understand how to embed videos I guess.
What does it matter to you? This video is not even for you.
"She" doesn't care. "She" is just a leftist troll.
I know nothing about whoever Roxie is, but a whole lot of actual leftists (and by leftists I don't mean the Dem party) think the H1-B program as constructed is terrible, takes American jobs, and depresses wages for American's. I am one of those leftists. I'm not sure if I would argue the entire program should be completely eliminated, but the program as currently constructed needs to be eliminated and there would need to be some extremely compelling reasons given as to why a much smaller scale much differently structured version is actually needed.
Let's just ignore the fact that it's massively exploited to hire workers who you could find American's for you'd just have to pay them more (a massive problem you can't ignore BTW) and focus on in theory what the point of it was sold to be. The point was in theory these companies claim they need workers with very specialized skills and areas of expertise that currently American workers don't possess. Okay, I can get short term why in some super specialized fields like chip manufacturing in the short term you'd need this, but that's the key the short term. The companies want this to be a permanent solution to cycle through workers they can pay less and that can't leave because their visa status is tied to that employer.
I actually don't think there's anything being done with the H1-B program that couldn't be accomplished with a completely temporary worker program for high skilled labor. As a country you don't want your only source of labor for lets just keep saying chip manufacturing to be forever bringing in foreign labor. What you'd actually want in a healthy society is to bring in the labor in the short term and train up a local workforce that can do the job long term. Unless you believe American's are just inferior to citizens of other countries (I don't) that can absolutely be done. Companies don't want to do that though because of increased costs on both ends. On the front end if it's a completely temporary worker program with no path to a green card or citizenship (and I'm serious I actually do mean no path on that visa not marriage not having a child nothing and spell it out plain as day) for the highly skilled labor they'd inherently have to pay a lot more since they can't sell that as an intangible benefit to be paid less. Oh well, if you can only exist with an underpaid exploitable workforce you shouldn't exist. On the back end they don't want that because they don't want to have to actually spend money to train American's to do the jobs and pay what it costs to hire American's for those jobs. Again too bad so sad if you can't exist without being able to pay market rates for American workers again you shouldn't exist as a company.
Well, you're not a typical leftist, b0nds. We may not agree on much, but what we do agree on makes a lot of sense. And I agree with pretty much everything you've said here. Companies can get greedy and hire foreign workers at a cheaper salary than equally as qualified American workers. Being America First also means hiring Americans to do the jobs. (And IT is a field that will constantly need folks, too.) And on this issue, you're definitely America First. (Now which economic philosophy should be used to solve it is where we'll differ, but that's for another discussion. 
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No, the problem is if you consider the Dem party "leftists" then you think I'm not typical. There are plenty of actual "leftists" who have extreme criticisms with the H1B program. About as far of a "leftist" as you actually get in US politics Bernie has been anti the current H1B program for a long time.
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/op-eds/h1...-be-fixed/
Quotes of note from this.
"Between 2022 and 2023, the top companies using the H-1B program laid off 85,000 American workers, while simultaneously bringing in over 34,000 guest workers from abroad. Meanwhile, millions of Americans with advanced degrees in STEM fields are unable to find work in their areas of expertise."
"If there is truly a major shortage of skilled tech workers in this country, why did Tesla lay-off over 7,500 American workers last year – including many software developers and engineers at its factory in Austin, Texas – while applying to hire thousands of H-1B guest workers?"
"If these jobs are only going to “the best and brightest,” why has Tesla employed H-1B guest workers as
associate accountants for as little as $58,000,
associate mechanical engineers for as little as $70,000 a year, and
associate material planners for as little as $80,000 a year? Those don’t sound like highly specialized jobs that are for the top 0.1 percent, as Musk claimed last month."
"Let’s be clear. To the extent that there may be labor shortages in our country in some highly specialized areas that need to be filled by employees from abroad through the H-1B program, we need to make sure that this program is used as a short-term fix."
Those bolded are not jobs American's can't do, those are jobs a whole bunch of American's can do, you just can't pay them less and overwork them with no recourse. I don't think you'd actually have much disagreement with most of Bernie wrote about here, it basically echo's everything I've been posting about and I didn't read this prior to giving my opinions on it.
Generic democrats don't agree with this positioning for the most part, but they aren't the left and never have been. They are far closer on economics to your Mitt Romney/Lindsey Graham types than they are to a Bernie Sanders despite in theory you thinking it should be the opposite.
