Anything that makes that woman unhappy makes me happy.

And she couldn't get a political fact straight if her life depended on it.

(11-09-2025 07:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Wow, if that happens, that is a MAJOR blow to Dems. Or, at least it should be.

What exactly were the Dems really trying to accomplish? Surely they realized that ridiculous $1.5T proposal wasn't going to fly.

I think they just wanted to keep it going through election day. Once the election was over, they just needed an exit strategy---and leadership allowing a few more middle of the road Dems to vote to open the government was the easiest way to throw in the towel without having it appear like the Democrat Congressional leaders just gave up.

(11-10-2025 03:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-09-2025 07:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Wow, if that happens, that is a MAJOR blow to Dems. Or, at least it should be.

What exactly were the Dems really trying to accomplish? Surely they realized that ridiculous $1.5T proposal wasn't going to fly.

I think they just wanted to keep it going through election day. Once the election was over, they just needed an exit strategy---and leadership allowing a few more middle of the road Dems to vote to open the government was the easiest way to throw in the towel without having it appear like the Democrat Congressional leaders just gave up.

You could be right, but Schumer and a few others are acting hot about it.

(11-10-2025 03:51 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Anything that makes that woman unhappy makes me happy.

And she couldn't get a political fact straight if her life depended on it.

She is so full of shht her eyes are brown.

(11-10-2025 04:02 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 03:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-09-2025 07:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Wow, if that happens, that is a MAJOR blow to Dems. Or, at least it should be.

What exactly were the Dems really trying to accomplish? Surely they realized that ridiculous $1.5T proposal wasn't going to fly.

I think they just wanted to keep it going through election day. Once the election was over, they just needed an exit strategy---and leadership allowing a few more middle of the road Dems to vote to open the government was the easiest way to throw in the towel without having it appear like the Democrat Congressional leaders just gave up.

You could be right, but Schumer and a few others are acting hot about it.

Exactly. The leadership gets to act like they wanted to fight on---- but were undermined by a few defectors. Remember---Schumer is worried about an AOC election challenge from his left (he cant look too middle of the road).

Ted Cruz called this like 2 weeks ago.

(11-10-2025 04:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Remember---Schumer is worried about an AOC election challenge from his left (he cant look too middle of the road).

In terms of winning any more elections, I believe Schumer is through. His choices are to announce his retirement and leave the stage with as much dignity as possible, or else go down swinging in the Democrats’ primary in 2028. Either way, his time as a US Senator will (I predict) end on 3rd January 2029, and he’ll he replaced by AOC, Mamdani, or someone who has their support.

(11-10-2025 04:35 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 04:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Remember---Schumer is worried about an AOC election challenge from his left (he cant look too middle of the road).

In terms of winning any more elections, I believe Schumer is through. His choices are to announce his retirement and leave the stage with as much dignity as possible, or else go down swinging in the Democrats’ primary in 2028. Either way, his time as a US Senator will (I predict) end on 3rd January 2029, and he’ll he replaced by AOC, Mamdani, or someone who has their support.

I'd like to think neither AOC nor Mamdani would be able to win a state wide election.

(11-10-2025 04:48 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 04:35 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 04:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Remember---Schumer is worried about an AOC election challenge from his left (he cant look too middle of the road).

In terms of winning any more elections, I believe Schumer is through. His choices are to announce his retirement and leave the stage with as much dignity as possible, or else go down swinging in the Democrats’ primary in 2028. Either way, his time as a US Senator will (I predict) end on 3rd January 2029, and he’ll he replaced by AOC, Mamdani, or someone who has their support.

I'd like to think neither AOC nor Mamdani would be able to win a state wide election.

They will, and no Republican will dare challenge them.

(11-10-2025 04:57 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 04:48 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 04:35 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 04:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Remember---Schumer is worried about an AOC election challenge from his left (he cant look too middle of the road).

In terms of winning any more elections, I believe Schumer is through. His choices are to announce his retirement and leave the stage with as much dignity as possible, or else go down swinging in the Democrats’ primary in 2028. Either way, his time as a US Senator will (I predict) end on 3rd January 2029, and he’ll he replaced by AOC, Mamdani, or someone who has their support.

I'd like to think neither AOC nor Mamdani would be able to win a state wide election.

They will, and no Republican will dare challenge them.

Biden only got 55.91% in NY state. Its not as blue as California.

(11-10-2025 05:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 04:57 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 04:48 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 04:35 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 04:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Remember---Schumer is worried about an AOC election challenge from his left (he cant look too middle of the road).

In terms of winning any more elections, I believe Schumer is through. His choices are to announce his retirement and leave the stage with as much dignity as possible, or else go down swinging in the Democrats’ primary in 2028. Either way, his time as a US Senator will (I predict) end on 3rd January 2029, and he’ll he replaced by AOC, Mamdani, or someone who has their support.

I'd like to think neither AOC nor Mamdani would be able to win a state wide election.

They will, and no Republican will dare challenge them.

Biden only got 55.91% in NY state. Its not as blue as California.

Harris got 55.91%. Biden got 69.7% in 2020. The state of New York had that biggest Swing towards Republicans of any state in the country during the 2024 election. Trump got over 30% of the vote in NYC; The highest by a Republican since 1988. The state of New York is turning redder very fast. Mamdani is going to kill Hochul in the next Governor election there. Stefanik has a very good chance of beating her next year. The excitement for Mamdani will fade very quick in NYC when his supporters realize everything he promised isn't going to happen.

(11-09-2025 09:41 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(11-09-2025 09:38 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-09-2025 09:25 PM)Claw Wrote:  Shutdown won their blue state elections. That's what this was designed to do.

Anything else they got would be gravy

Disagree. Those blue candidates were going to win in those places, anyway. I do wonder what they thought they were accomplishing with the shutdown.

I don't believe for a second it was to get blues elected in blue dominated places.

WOULD.

(11-10-2025 11:22 AM)bullet Wrote:  Durbin is a bit of a surprise. The others are all in states where they could lose.

Yeah, that was a big surprise. I expected Fetterman.

(11-10-2025 05:26 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 05:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 04:57 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 04:48 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 04:35 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  In terms of winning any more elections, I believe Schumer is through. His choices are to announce his retirement and leave the stage with as much dignity as possible, or else go down swinging in the Democrats’ primary in 2028. Either way, his time as a US Senator will (I predict) end on 3rd January 2029, and he’ll he replaced by AOC, Mamdani, or someone who has their support.

I'd like to think neither AOC nor Mamdani would be able to win a state wide election.

They will, and no Republican will dare challenge them.

Biden only got 55.91% in NY state. Its not as blue as California.

Harris got 55.91%. Biden got 69.7% in 2020. The state of New York had that biggest Swing towards Republicans of any state in the country during the 2024 election. Trump got over 30% of the vote in NYC; The highest by a Republican since 1988. The state of New York is turning redder very fast. Mamdani is going to kill Hochul in the next Governor election there. Stefanik has a very good chance of beating her next year. The excitement for Mamdani will fade very quick in NYC when his supporters realize everything he promised isn't going to happen.

Edit-that's what I meant-2024-after Biden dropped out.

(11-10-2025 02:19 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 12:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.huffpost.com/entry/senate-de...cf8e16d?ii
The left views it as moderate Democrats caving.

The far left has no concept of political strategy. Schumer is setting up for next year's midterms. He's doing a pretty good job.

All the far left has is their marxist playbooks. If it isn't radical it isn't worth consideration.

"The excitement for Mamdani will fade very quick in NYC when his supporters realize everything he promised isn't going to happen."
Eagleaholic

Two of his promises, free buses and the other one, taxing the rich (am I right on that one?) has gone down the tube already. Hochul as evil as she is sure doesn't want to just give away a nice paycheck from those entities so screw you Imadummy, she said.

(11-10-2025 04:57 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 04:48 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 04:35 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-10-2025 04:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Remember---Schumer is worried about an AOC election challenge from his left (he cant look too middle of the road).

In terms of winning any more elections, I believe Schumer is through. His choices are to announce his retirement and leave the stage with as much dignity as possible, or else go down swinging in the Democrats’ primary in 2028. Either way, his time as a US Senator will (I predict) end on 3rd January 2029, and he’ll he replaced by AOC, Mamdani, or someone who has their support.

I'd like to think neither AOC nor Mamdani would be able to win a state wide election.

They will, and no Republican will dare challenge them.

Ever read Winnie the Pooh, Eeyore?

Quote:Reporter's Notebook: Paul stands firm against spending bill as shutdown clock ticks
Sen Rand Paul demands changes to hemp regulations in spending bill, possibly delaying passage until next week
By Chad Pergram Fox News
Published November 10, 2025 2:32pm EST

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., was the only Republican who broke with his party and voted no on the test vote to break a filibuster on the deal to reopen the government.

Paul voted nay because he wanted a guarantee of a change in the bill regarding hemp.

The measure prevents "unregulated sales" of "intoxicating hemp-based" products at gas stations and small retailers. It preserves the sale of non-intoxicating CBD in other hemp-related products.

So if the Senate got 60 votes last night to break the filibuster and only needs 51 to pass the bill, why is the Senate stymied by Paul?

It’s about speed.

Buckle up for this next part. It gets complicated.

The vote last night was on breaking a filibuster to proceed to the original House-passed spending measure from September. That needed 60 yeas.

Therefore, the Senate has just broken a filibuster to begin work on the bill.

By rule, the Senate can run out 30 hours of debate after breaking the filibuster, unless Paul relents. That would get us to a minor procedural vote to actually get on the bill by dawn Tuesday morning.

That is, unless there’s an agreement with Paul — or, for that matter, other Democratic senators to expedite things.

But wait. There’s more.

The intention of Senate Majority Leader John Thune, R-S.D. — and this was done with a wink and a nod to secure an agreement last night — is for him to file what’s called a "substitute" amendment. A substitute simply removes the House’s old bill text and replaces it with the new spending package.

But because this is a substitute amendment, Thune must then file cloture to break a filibuster on that. By rule, Thune could not do that until Tuesday. Cloture petitions require an intervening day before ripening. So that means the Senate could not vote to break a filibuster on the substitute (e.g. the new bill) until Thursday. Again, that needs 60 yeas. And if there’s no deal, the Senate could bleed out another clock before voting yes or no on the substitute. Presumably that would be Friday.

But we’re not done yet.

If the Senate adopts the new text on Friday, then Thune must file cloture again on the underlying bill on Friday, wait a day (Saturday) and then have a vote to break a filibuster on that (again needing 60 votes) Sunday.

This scenario means that the Senate would finally pass the newly revamped spending bill next Monday. And it would mean that the House doesn’t tackle the bill until Tuesday or Wednesday next week.

So it really stretches out the government shutdown.

That said, this is probably not going to happen. That’s doing things by the book.

But it’s also why it’s in the interest of Thune to get a deal with Paul to accelerate things. Otherwise, Paul or the Democrats who oppose the bill can really slow things down and extend the shutdown.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/reporte...lock-ticks

So much for Rand Paul being a Libertarian. More like a librarian.