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(11-05-2025 08:40 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(11-05-2025 08:26 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Yay, we have a new one.

It even comes with an appropriate user name.

I thought the same thing! 04-cheers
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(11-05-2025 08:26 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Yay, we have a new one.

she's a hoot, bruv ... let her roll here for a bit (I'm betting she won't ... she's a 'matter of fact' stylist vs. our crazy arses) ... she's not one those kitty trolls...

I'm surprised she posted ... I have to give her props for finally jumpin' in, paws first ... 03-wink

addendum: she's an SBC mod that loves sport ... I'm certain I'm too hardcore for her tastes, but I like her ... she runs a clean ship ... she's never hinted at politics over there ... and I made her a promise I intend to keep (separate) ... 04-cheers
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RE: "Democrats really need to own the shutdown."
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"The contours of a potential deal to reopen the government began to emerge on Tuesday as the shutdown was poised to become the longest in history, with senators discussing an agreement that would fund the government alongside long-term appropriations bills in exchange for a vote on extending health insurance tax credits that Democrats have demanded....

Sen. Markwayne Mullin, an Oklahoma Republican, told reporters that he's "pretty confident" the shutdown will end this week: "I will tell you there's enough Democrats that I'm friends with that were willing to vote last week, and they were assured that Schumer would let them vote the way they need to this week."

The bipartisan conversations on Capitol Hill revolve around an effort to move forward on a so-called "minibus," or a package of full-year appropriations bills, in addition to the continuing resolution. Proponents of the plan say that approving the package would demonstrate Republicans' willingness to work on the long-term funding process on a bipartisan basis.

The minibus would include three separate bills. One would fund military construction and the Department of Veterans Affairs. The second would include funding for the legislative branch, and the third would fund the FDA and the Department of Agriculture. Thune told reporters that the continuing resolution to reopen the government could "ride" on the appropriations package....

"The reason we're in this position is that we have not passed appropriations bills," Britt said. "So beginning to break the logjam through doing that, I think, would be incredibly effective."

Still, Republicans need to win over at least five more Democrats to reopen the government with a short-term measure. Republicans have said they are willing to guarantee a vote on extending health care tax credits under the Affordable Care Act in exchange for Democrats' votes, an offer that has been on the table for weeks. Some GOP senators think enough Democrats may be now willing to "take yes for an answer," as Thune puts it...."
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(11-05-2025 12:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  Still, Republicans need to win over at least five more Democrats to reopen the government with a short-term measure. Republicans have said they are willing to guarantee a vote on extending health care tax credits under the Affordable Care Act in exchange for Democrats' votes, an offer that has been on the table for weeks. Some GOP senators think enough Democrats may be now willing to "take yes for an answer," as Thune puts it...."

Huh?

Weird - all that Leverage the Dems had got them NOTHING MORE than they were already told they would get weeks ago.

You know - that leverage - the one they used to vote No to reopen the government which we were told was the Rep's fault for not saying No to reopening the Government???? [spoken in an up-talkers voice]
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RE: "Democrats really need to own the shutdown."
Republicans mishandled this shutdown so terribly bad that mid-terms will be a blue landslide. Every time I think one political party is down for the count, the other side mishandles their power so bad it quickly becomes the exact opposite. Democrats were on the ropes taking massive head shots and then the Republicans headbutt, eye gouged, and hit below the belt and boom, -3 point deduction and Democrats off the ropes with full momentum. Idiot Republicans sitting on their thumbs being the p^ssies I have always said they were and always will be... just dont vote me out... I will keep my mouth shut and do nothing if I can keep my position.
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(11-05-2025 02:28 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Republicans mishandled this shutdown so terribly bad that mid-terms will be a blue landslide. Every time I think one political party is down for the count, the other side mishandles their power so bad it quickly becomes the exact opposite. Democrats were on the ropes taking massive head shots and then the Republicans headbutt, eye gouged, and hit below the belt and boom, -3 point deduction and Democrats off the ropes with full momentum. Idiot Republicans sitting on their thumbs being the p^ssies I have always said they were and always will be... just dont vote me out... I will keep my mouth shut and do nothing if I can keep my position.

It wasn’t too long ago some were saying the Republican Party was on its death bed. Our history shows we go back and forth all the time. In a two party system there is only is only one direction to place blame and one for hope. The biggest motivator in voting is the economy. It is why Trump got elected. It is also why the GOP lost yesterday and more than likely will lose next year. But Republicans bowing to all things Trump has accelerated the flip back.
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RE: "Democrats really need to own the shutdown."
(11-05-2025 02:46 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  
(11-05-2025 02:28 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Republicans mishandled this shutdown so terribly bad that mid-terms will be a blue landslide. Every time I think one political party is down for the count, the other side mishandles their power so bad it quickly becomes the exact opposite. Democrats were on the ropes taking massive head shots and then the Republicans headbutt, eye gouged, and hit below the belt and boom, -3 point deduction and Democrats off the ropes with full momentum. Idiot Republicans sitting on their thumbs being the p^ssies I have always said they were and always will be... just dont vote me out... I will keep my mouth shut and do nothing if I can keep my position.

It wasn’t too long ago some were saying the Republican Party was on its death bed. Our history shows we go back and forth all the time. In a two party system there is only is only one direction to place blame and one for hope. The biggest motivator in voting is the economy. It is why Trump got elected. It is also why the GOP lost yesterday and more than likely will lose next year. But Republicans bowing to all things Trump has accelerated the flip back.

In a weird way, if SCOTUS rules against the plenary and unchallengeable tariff power by the Executive branch that Trump is pushing and claims, that gives the Rs an offramp to the economic issues that seemingly persist.
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RE: "Democrats really need to own the shutdown."
(11-05-2025 02:46 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  
(11-05-2025 02:28 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Republicans mishandled this shutdown so terribly bad that mid-terms will be a blue landslide. Every time I think one political party is down for the count, the other side mishandles their power so bad it quickly becomes the exact opposite. Democrats were on the ropes taking massive head shots and then the Republicans headbutt, eye gouged, and hit below the belt and boom, -3 point deduction and Democrats off the ropes with full momentum. Idiot Republicans sitting on their thumbs being the p^ssies I have always said they were and always will be... just dont vote me out... I will keep my mouth shut and do nothing if I can keep my position.

It wasn’t too long ago some were saying the Republican Party was on its death bed. Our history shows we go back and forth all the time. In a two party system there is only is only one direction to place blame and one for hope. The biggest motivator in voting is the economy. It is why Trump got elected. It is also why the GOP lost yesterday and more than likely will lose next year. But Republicans bowing to all things Trump has accelerated the flip back.

That is my point... 4 years ago Republicans were on their death bed and the Democrats bungled thing so awfully we had a red wave... Now Republicans are in charge and seemed Democrats had taken it directly on the nose but Republicans have screwed the pooch so bad (optics and blame) that now Democrats have leaped ahead... It is a contest of who can screw up the worst.
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RE: "Democrats really need to own the shutdown."
(11-05-2025 03:16 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(11-05-2025 02:46 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  
(11-05-2025 02:28 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Republicans mishandled this shutdown so terribly bad that mid-terms will be a blue landslide. Every time I think one political party is down for the count, the other side mishandles their power so bad it quickly becomes the exact opposite. Democrats were on the ropes taking massive head shots and then the Republicans headbutt, eye gouged, and hit below the belt and boom, -3 point deduction and Democrats off the ropes with full momentum. Idiot Republicans sitting on their thumbs being the p^ssies I have always said they were and always will be... just dont vote me out... I will keep my mouth shut and do nothing if I can keep my position.

It wasn’t too long ago some were saying the Republican Party was on its death bed. Our history shows we go back and forth all the time. In a two party system there is only is only one direction to place blame and one for hope. The biggest motivator in voting is the economy. It is why Trump got elected. It is also why the GOP lost yesterday and more than likely will lose next year. But Republicans bowing to all things Trump has accelerated the flip back.

That is my point... 4 years ago Republicans were on their death bed and the Democrats bungled thing so awfully we had a red wave... Now Republicans are in charge and seemed Democrats had taken it directly on the nose but Republicans have screwed the pooch so bad (optics and blame) that now Democrats have leaped ahead... It is a contest of who can screw up the worst.

Oh good grief. NY, NJ, Nova and Cali voted blue.

Get a grip dude

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(11-05-2025 03:22 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(11-05-2025 03:16 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(11-05-2025 02:46 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  
(11-05-2025 02:28 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Republicans mishandled this shutdown so terribly bad that mid-terms will be a blue landslide. Every time I think one political party is down for the count, the other side mishandles their power so bad it quickly becomes the exact opposite. Democrats were on the ropes taking massive head shots and then the Republicans headbutt, eye gouged, and hit below the belt and boom, -3 point deduction and Democrats off the ropes with full momentum. Idiot Republicans sitting on their thumbs being the p^ssies I have always said they were and always will be... just dont vote me out... I will keep my mouth shut and do nothing if I can keep my position.

It wasn’t too long ago some were saying the Republican Party was on its death bed. Our history shows we go back and forth all the time. In a two party system there is only is only one direction to place blame and one for hope. The biggest motivator in voting is the economy. It is why Trump got elected. It is also why the GOP lost yesterday and more than likely will lose next year. But Republicans bowing to all things Trump has accelerated the flip back.

That is my point... 4 years ago Republicans were on their death bed and the Democrats bungled thing so awfully we had a red wave... Now Republicans are in charge and seemed Democrats had taken it directly on the nose but Republicans have screwed the pooch so bad (optics and blame) that now Democrats have leaped ahead... It is a contest of who can screw up the worst.

Oh good grief. NY, NJ, Nova and Cali voted blue.

Get a grip dude

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Ok, keep your head in the sand. Stick to what Fox and this board is echo chambering. Republicans have messed up bad and it was so easy not to F up, but they did it anyway.
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So which race would the Republicans have won if they negotiated with the terrorists? White women came out in droves for this election. There is a reason they weren't allowed to vote in this country for 150 years. They aren't very good at it. They vote against their own best interests.
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RE: "Democrats really need to own the shutdown."
(11-05-2025 03:53 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(11-05-2025 03:22 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(11-05-2025 03:16 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(11-05-2025 02:46 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  
(11-05-2025 02:28 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Republicans mishandled this shutdown so terribly bad that mid-terms will be a blue landslide. Every time I think one political party is down for the count, the other side mishandles their power so bad it quickly becomes the exact opposite. Democrats were on the ropes taking massive head shots and then the Republicans headbutt, eye gouged, and hit below the belt and boom, -3 point deduction and Democrats off the ropes with full momentum. Idiot Republicans sitting on their thumbs being the p^ssies I have always said they were and always will be... just dont vote me out... I will keep my mouth shut and do nothing if I can keep my position.

It wasn’t too long ago some were saying the Republican Party was on its death bed. Our history shows we go back and forth all the time. In a two party system there is only is only one direction to place blame and one for hope. The biggest motivator in voting is the economy. It is why Trump got elected. It is also why the GOP lost yesterday and more than likely will lose next year. But Republicans bowing to all things Trump has accelerated the flip back.

That is my point... 4 years ago Republicans were on their death bed and the Democrats bungled thing so awfully we had a red wave... Now Republicans are in charge and seemed Democrats had taken it directly on the nose but Republicans have screwed the pooch so bad (optics and blame) that now Democrats have leaped ahead... It is a contest of who can screw up the worst.

Oh good grief. NY, NJ, Nova and Cali voted blue.

Get a grip dude

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Ok, keep your head in the sand. Stick to what Fox and this board is echo chambering. Republicans have messed up bad and it was so easy not to F up, but they did it anyway.

You keep panicing. 03-lmfao they messed up losing new york city, new jersey, cali and nova.

Just stop. 03-lmfao
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RE: "Democrats really need to own the shutdown."
(11-05-2025 03:53 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(11-05-2025 03:22 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(11-05-2025 03:16 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(11-05-2025 02:46 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  
(11-05-2025 02:28 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Republicans mishandled this shutdown so terribly bad that mid-terms will be a blue landslide. Every time I think one political party is down for the count, the other side mishandles their power so bad it quickly becomes the exact opposite. Democrats were on the ropes taking massive head shots and then the Republicans headbutt, eye gouged, and hit below the belt and boom, -3 point deduction and Democrats off the ropes with full momentum. Idiot Republicans sitting on their thumbs being the p^ssies I have always said they were and always will be... just dont vote me out... I will keep my mouth shut and do nothing if I can keep my position.

It wasn’t too long ago some were saying the Republican Party was on its death bed. Our history shows we go back and forth all the time. In a two party system there is only is only one direction to place blame and one for hope. The biggest motivator in voting is the economy. It is why Trump got elected. It is also why the GOP lost yesterday and more than likely will lose next year. But Republicans bowing to all things Trump has accelerated the flip back.

That is my point... 4 years ago Republicans were on their death bed and the Democrats bungled thing so awfully we had a red wave... Now Republicans are in charge and seemed Democrats had taken it directly on the nose but Republicans have screwed the pooch so bad (optics and blame) that now Democrats have leaped ahead... It is a contest of who can screw up the worst.

Oh good grief. NY, NJ, Nova and Cali voted blue.

Get a grip dude

03-lmfao

Ok, keep your head in the sand. Stick to what Fox and this board is echo chambering. Republicans have messed up bad and it was so easy not to F up, but they did it anyway.

Yep. You can always count on Republicans to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. And the true believers say nothing happened last night. At this rate, you might as well give Gavin Newsom or AOC the Presidency on a silver platter.
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Even dear leader himself...


“I’m not sure it was good for anybody,” Trump said. “But we had an interesting evening, and we learned a lot, and we’re going to talk about that.”

Trump added: “If you read the pollsters, the shutdown was a big factor, negative for the Republicans, and that was a big factor.”

I know Fux News and CSNBBS have been telling you different... but if you were not inside an echo chamber here is what happened... around 60% blamed Democrats... Democrats introduced the stand-alone SNAP funding.. Republicans said no, then the blame immediately shifted to Republicans. Then Trump would not release the emergency fund (right or wrong doesnt matter) and the blame shifted even further onto Republicans....

It was so easy to flip the optics... when all Trump and Senate had to do was POUNCE on the SNAP funding and make it clear "we wanted to keep SNAP funded the whole time. We have never wanted to starve children and use people as leverage as the democrats have said repeatedly".... republicans would have came out with a clear victory... instead they did the dumb things they did and the public opinion changed.
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(11-05-2025 04:35 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  
(11-05-2025 03:53 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(11-05-2025 03:22 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(11-05-2025 03:16 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(11-05-2025 02:46 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  It wasn’t too long ago some were saying the Republican Party was on its death bed. Our history shows we go back and forth all the time. In a two party system there is only is only one direction to place blame and one for hope. The biggest motivator in voting is the economy. It is why Trump got elected. It is also why the GOP lost yesterday and more than likely will lose next year. But Republicans bowing to all things Trump has accelerated the flip back.

That is my point... 4 years ago Republicans were on their death bed and the Democrats bungled thing so awfully we had a red wave... Now Republicans are in charge and seemed Democrats had taken it directly on the nose but Republicans have screwed the pooch so bad (optics and blame) that now Democrats have leaped ahead... It is a contest of who can screw up the worst.

Oh good grief. NY, NJ, Nova and Cali voted blue.

Get a grip dude

03-lmfao

Ok, keep your head in the sand. Stick to what Fox and this board is echo chambering. Republicans have messed up bad and it was so easy not to F up, but they did it anyway.

Yep. You can always count on Republicans to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. And the true believers say nothing happened last night. At this rate, you might as well give Gavin Newsom or AOC the Presidency on a silver platter.
Andy, what race were you expecting a Republican to win yesterday?
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(11-05-2025 05:01 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(11-05-2025 04:35 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  
(11-05-2025 03:53 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(11-05-2025 03:22 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(11-05-2025 03:16 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  That is my point... 4 years ago Republicans were on their death bed and the Democrats bungled thing so awfully we had a red wave... Now Republicans are in charge and seemed Democrats had taken it directly on the nose but Republicans have screwed the pooch so bad (optics and blame) that now Democrats have leaped ahead... It is a contest of who can screw up the worst.

Oh good grief. NY, NJ, Nova and Cali voted blue.

Get a grip dude

03-lmfao

Ok, keep your head in the sand. Stick to what Fox and this board is echo chambering. Republicans have messed up bad and it was so easy not to F up, but they did it anyway.

Yep. You can always count on Republicans to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. And the true believers say nothing happened last night. At this rate, you might as well give Gavin Newsom or AOC the Presidency on a silver platter.
Andy, what race were you expecting a Republican to win yesterday?

I was hoping for Virginia anyway. I didn't expect New Jersey to flip, and I would have rather had Cuomo than Mamdani as mayor of NYC.
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(11-05-2025 04:03 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  So which race would the Republicans have won if they negotiated with the terrorists?

NJ was winnable without national baggage from the Repubs.

The Republican absolutely could have won w/o the Dems (inaccurately) tying him in a bear hug to Trump and MAGA.

Quote:White women came out in droves for this election. There is a reason they weren't allowed to vote in this country for 150 years.

And the misogynistic crap starts to flow forth. When in doubt, blame the women.

Quote:They aren't very good at it. They vote against their own best interests.

Why not run a trifecta and blame browns and blacks while you are on this explicit rant? Good grief.

Dude, *that *the italicized* is *precisely* why Repubs have earned a bad name in terms of misogynistic issues. And contributes indirectly to the rap of racist **** that the Repubs have garnered.
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Absurd. The ONLY reason these races were national news was because the media made everyone THINK the Republicans had a chance so that when the Democrats won they could say, "See, Trump and Mandate". Trump didn't waste his time to even show up for any of these races because it was fruitless. This time next week no one will even remember these elections. Suckers.
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(11-06-2025 07:50 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Absurd. The ONLY reason these races were national news was because the media made everyone THINK the Republicans had a chance so that when the Democrats won they could say, "See, Trump and Mandate". Trump didn't waste his time to even show up for any of these races because it was fruitless. This time next week no one will even remember these elections. Suckers.

You're right. We were suckered by both the leftist legacy media and Fox News into thinking we had a chance in VA and NJ. I admit I was one of them.

But then, common sense told back over and I realized this was not a harbinger of things to come next year, provided we stick to our guns and do what we were elected to do: Make America Great Again! (Again. lol)
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All this harping about how we LOST those states is hogwash,"you can't lose something you never had". Those states are deep blue and nothing was gonna make them even a light shade of purple. The status quo remained and nothing was lost to the Repubs.

As for New Yorkistan, that city has for the last decade has been a dark blue state and now they're just communist red. It was bound to happen with all these "newcomers" and their offspring multiplying. There's no worry though, Bernie has been a communist for decades and he's still a non-entity in my book, he never gained anything by helping NY become a communist city. It was bound to happen, Bernie or not.
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