(11-04-2025 02:10 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: I have no idea at all how the election will turn out tonight. But if the Dems come away feeling as if they have done well (however you want to define that), then it is a guarantee that you will have more shutdowns — more frequently and going unresolved for longer periods of time — in the future. I admit I would have mixed feelings about that, if it happened.
I don't think the elections tonight are really representative of whether the shutdown is helping, or not.
We're talking about two Dem strongholds in NYC and NJ, and at best, a purple state in VA.
Quote:Sen. John Fetterman (D-PA): “[Democrats] are realizing it’s getting harder and harder to rationalize keeping our entire government down. nd it doesn't mean there's 47 [Democrat Senators], and we need 5 more. So this doesn't need a wave.”
“It just means 5 more colleagues to say, Look, you know, we can all—47 of us—agree that we should want to extend our tax credits and make our health insurance more affordable. But now we need five more to agree this has gone too long, and it needs to end. And everyone needs—deserves—to get paid. And we wanna make sure everyone gets fed. And now we are sending the wrong message at this point.”
Quote:Sen. John Fetterman (D-PA): “I agree, that it’s a bad idea to shut our government down… It’s wrong now that [Democrats] are doing right now. For me, that is a country over party situation.”
“This needs to end… I fly every week, and I can see more and more delays and cancelations right there on the boards. So why would we want to mess with this now? We're just a couple weeks away from Thanksgiving.”
“I think we've really reached the point now. This really has to end. And it's not about the blame or who's going to blink right now. I think this thing—it's entirely appropriate—has to end.”
(This post was last modified: 11-04-2025 04:09 PM by CrimsonPhantom.)
Did anyone else ever think we'd live to see the day the Dems would rather shut down the government than NOT be allowed to send billions in tax payer dollars to billion dollar insurance corporations??
(11-04-2025 02:10 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: I have no idea at all how the election will turn out tonight. But if the Dems come away feeling as if they have done well (however you want to define that), then it is a guarantee that you will have more shutdowns — more frequently and going unresolved for longer periods of time — in the future. I admit I would have mixed feelings about that, if it happened.
I don't think the elections tonight are really representative of whether the shutdown is helping, or not.
We're talking about two Dem strongholds in NYC and NJ, and at best, a purple state in VA.
Yes and no. I agree that it’s more complicated than simply electing (for example) a Dem. Governor in New Jersey
But the Dems will look at trend-lines and %s, and other inside-baseball stuff. If they can look at the overall impact and say “Our base is glad we did this” — meaning the shutdown — then yeah I think they will be emboldened and will do it more in the future whenever they don’t get their way.
Quote:Scott Jennings just made a FOOL out of 25-year-old Democrat wunderkind, David Hogg.
Hogg used his time on CNN to blame Republicans for the government shutdown, even accusing
@ScottJenningsKY
of not caring about people in his home state on ACA subsidies.
He was silenced pretty quickly.
HOGG: “The entire reason the government is not open right now is because Democrats refuse to be complicit in having millions of Americans, including 100,000 in Kentucky, you’re home state if I’m remembering correctly Scott, that rely on ACA, that would see their premiums rise several dozen percent.”
When Jennings finally jumped into the discussion, he came armed with the facts and Hogg didn’t stand a chance.
JENNINGS: “But David, you would admit that the ACA was a Democrat legislation, yes?”
“And you would admit that the subsidies that we’re talking about now were passed by Democrats, yes?”
“And you would admit that the sunset provision in the subsidies, which comes up at the end of the year, was in place because of Democrats, yes?”
“Now you want to make it a Republican problem. These are not the same issues.”
“You could open the government today and then you could negotiate with Republicans about ACA subsidies.”
“And by the way, my suspicion is and you know this, there are probably and I know there are some House Republicans that would love to negotiate on it, but under duress, under a hostage taking situation, connecting disconnected issues.”
“And now you’re throwing SNAP onto it. You’re throwing all the federal workers who aren’t being paid onto it, all because of this fight that you wandered into, because of your wing of the Democratic Party.”
“YOU ALL led to this SNAP crisis. You all led to this crisis of the government being closed and you don’t know how to get out of it!”
(11-04-2025 02:10 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: I have no idea at all how the election will turn out tonight. But if the Dems come away feeling as if they have done well (however you want to define that), then it is a guarantee that you will have more shutdowns — more frequently and going unresolved for longer periods of time — in the future. I admit I would have mixed feelings about that, if it happened.
I don't think the elections tonight are really representative of whether the shutdown is helping, or not.
We're talking about two Dem strongholds in NYC and NJ, and at best, a purple state in VA.
Yes and no. I agree that it’s more complicated than simply electing (for example) a Dem. Governor in New Jersey
But the Dems will look at trend-lines and %s, and other inside-baseball stuff. If they can look at the overall impact and say “Our base is glad we did this” — meaning the shutdown — then yeah I think they will be emboldened and will do it more in the future whenever they don’t get their way.
We're just looking at it differently. You're talking about how the Dem voter base might react if they win elections tonight.
I'm talking about the actual results of the election being almost a foregone conclusion to start with, thus not really influencing how the Dems react, b/c that's what is likely to happen anyway.
(This post was last modified: 11-04-2025 04:31 PM by TripleA.)
The more people getting off the government teat and working and supporting themselves, the better. (And this is coming from someone who's both an uppercase Republican (GOP'er) and a lowercase republican.)
(This post was last modified: 11-04-2025 05:06 PM by GeminiCoog.)
(11-04-2025 04:34 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: Well if Spanberger wins by 2, and Jay Jones loses by 12, that is a very different impact than Spanberger winning by 12 and Jay Jones losing by 2.
And I’m hearing Jay Jones might actually win. I find that hard to believe, but some Virginia people think it could happen.
If Jones wins, it'll be due to a lot of ballot stuffing and weird crap happening overnight. There is no way normal, God-loving, God-fearing Virginians vote for that dirtbag after seeing that Tweet of his.
(This post was last modified: 11-04-2025 05:12 PM by GeminiCoog.)
(11-04-2025 04:34 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: Well if Spanberger wins by 2, and Jay Jones loses by 12, that is a very different impact than Spanberger winning by 12 and Jay Jones losing by 2.
And I’m hearing Jay Jones might actually win. I find that hard to believe, but some Virginia people think it could happen.
(11-04-2025 05:08 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote: There is no way normal, God-loving, God-fearing Virginians vote for [Jay Jones] after seeing that Tweet of his.
True.
But the question is, what % of Virginians fall under that category?
The point that I was trying (but apparently failed, LOL) to make to TripleA is that if the % is 48.3, Dem leaders in DC will react very differently than they will if it’s 60.3. People like Schumer and Jeffries and all their minions will be studying these returns very closely.
(11-04-2025 05:08 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote: There is no way normal, God-loving, God-fearing Virginians vote for [Jay Jones] after seeing that Tweet of his.
True.
But the question is, what % of Virginians fall under that category?
The point that I was trying (but apparently failed, LOL) to make to TripleA is that if the % is 48.3, Dem leaders in DC will react very differently than they will if it’s 60.3. People like Schumer and Jeffries and all their minions will be studying these returns very closely.
No, I actually got that, and I agree with you, too. I was just commenting on Jones potentially winning. That's all.
(11-04-2025 05:08 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote: There is no way normal, God-loving, God-fearing Virginians vote for [Jay Jones] after seeing that Tweet of his.
True.
But the question is, what % of Virginians fall under that category?
The point that I was trying (but apparently failed, LOL) to make to TripleA is that if the % is 48.3, Dem leaders in DC will react very differently than they will if it’s 60.3. People like Schumer and Jeffries and all their minions will be studying these returns very closely.
You didn't fail, lol. I just disagree with you. I don't think the percentage matters at all, unless the Dems actually lose some of these spots.
What will be the difference in reaction at a win at 48% vs. 60% in DC? What would be the difference, and how would it matter to those in DC?
Now, if you're saying the Dems lose at 48%, then guess what, I agree with you to a point. It matters if they win or lose, not what the percentage is.
(11-04-2025 04:34 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: Well if Spanberger wins by 2, and Jay Jones loses by 12, that is a very different impact than Spanberger winning by 12 and Jay Jones losing by 2.
And I’m hearing Jay Jones might actually win. I find that hard to believe, but some Virginia people think it could happen.
If Jones wins, it'll be due to a lot of ballot stuffing and weird crap happening overnight. There is no way normal, God-loving, God-fearing Virginians vote for that dirtbag after seeing that Tweet of his.
Trump putting a lot of N. Virginians out of work will have *nothing* to do with a potential Jones win.
Glad to know it will be *solely* because of ballot stuffing etc. Lolz.
I will absolutely grant you that if you *didnt* have Trump doing that to the N. Virginia workforce, Jones would lose in a big way after those comments he made. But that didnt happen, and there is a great deal of lashback present there that will be directed against anyone with an R by their name.
But in true MAGA form, it will, according to you, be nothing but ballot stuffing, etc.
(11-04-2025 02:10 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: I have no idea at all how the election will turn out tonight. But if the Dems come away feeling as if they have done well (however you want to define that), then it is a guarantee that you will have more shutdowns — more frequently and going unresolved for longer periods of time — in the future. I admit I would have mixed feelings about that, if it happened.
I don't think the elections tonight are really representative of whether the shutdown is helping, or not.
We're talking about two Dem strongholds in NYC and NJ, and at best, a purple state in VA.
Yes and no. I agree that it’s more complicated than simply electing (for example) a Dem. Governor in New Jersey
But the Dems will look at trend-lines and %s, and other inside-baseball stuff. If they can look at the overall impact and say “Our base is glad we did this” — meaning the shutdown — then yeah I think they will be emboldened and will do it more in the future whenever they don’t get their way.
NJ elects Repubs as governor about 1/3 of the time. NJ state office elections are not pushovers there.
The Repub there is actually pretty moderate and mainstream. To even get close in NJ you have to ba as a Repub. The current dude came jsut a little bit short against Murphy last time.
This time the Dems have locked him into a Trump bear hug -- which he probably doesnt deserve. And that will probably be the margin of victory for his opponent.
(11-04-2025 04:34 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: Well if Spanberger wins by 2, and Jay Jones loses by 12, that is a very different impact than Spanberger winning by 12 and Jay Jones losing by 2.
And I’m hearing Jay Jones might actually win. I find that hard to believe, but some Virginia people think it could happen.
If Jones wins, it'll be due to a lot of ballot stuffing and weird crap happening overnight. There is no way normal, God-loving, God-fearing Virginians vote for that dirtbag after seeing that Tweet of his.
Trump putting a lot of N. Virginians out of work will have *nothing* to do with a potential Jones win.
Glad to know it will be *solely* because of ballot stuffing etc. Lolz.
I will absolutely grant you that if you *didnt* have Trump doing that to the N. Virginia workforce, Jones would lose in a big way after those comments he made. But that didnt happen, and there is a great deal of lashback present there that will be directed against anyone with an R by their name.
But in true MAGA form, it will, according to you, be nothing but ballot stuffing, etc.
That and the silence from MAGA when it came to to the Young Republicans group chat or Trump’s meme dripping feces on citizens. The ICE raids, probably don’t help in NoVA either, one of the most diverse areas of the country.
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[NEWS] "Democrats really need to own the shutdown."
