Quote:Did the US pull the plug on Ukrainian strikes in Russian territory using the US-provided missiles?

After the historic summit between Donald J. Trump and Vladimir Putin in Alaska, it was stipulated that Russia and Ukraine would negotiate the next meeting of Putin with Kiev leader Volodymyr Zelensky.

To the surprise of absolutely no one, Zelensky and his Euro-Globalist mentors have muddied the waters considerably – while Russia is putting its foot down and insisting on their long-known demands.

From a distance, Trump has decried the lack of progress, and said that in two weeks he may impose sanctions and tariffs (on Russia), or else he may pull back from the peace process and let it play out.

Then, yesterday, the Kiev regime attacked the Druzhba pipeline for the third time, cutting the flow of Russian crude oil to Hungary and Slovakia, endangering their energy security.

Trump responded to a complaint by his long-time ally Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán saying that he was ‘very angry about it’.

Coincidence or not, here’s what was reported today, initially by the WSJ (behind a paywall):

Reuters reported:

“The Pentagon has been quietly blocking Ukraine from using U.S.-made long-range Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) to strike targets inside Russia, limiting Kyiv’s ability to employ these weapons in its defense against Moscow’s invasion, the Wall Street Journal reported on Saturday, citing U.S. officials.

The news came as U.S. President Donald Trump has grown more frustrated publicly over the three-year-old war and his inability to secure a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine.”

“Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has final say over use of the long-range weapons, the Journal said.

Neither Ukraine’s presidential office nor the defense ministry immediately responded to Reuters’ request for a comment outside business hours. The White House and the Pentagon also did not immediately respond to requests for comment.”

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This is one area where Trump has F-ed up royally. One day it’s “we had a great meeting in Alaska!” The next day is Putin’s people say they didn’t agree to anything. One day it’s Ukraine needs to play offense. The next he’s cutting them off at the knees for playing offense. One day it’s gonna be massive sanctions on Putin’s oil sales and the next he’s mad Putin’s oil sales have been cut off by Ukraine. Trump has been all over the place on this and mostly in Russia’s favor. I don’t know why but it is undeniable.
Trump might as well just give up on this. It looks like this will be his first loss.

The issue is that Putin doesn’t need to negotiate anything, there is absolutely no way Ukraine can stop the eventuality of their defeat and he knows it. On the other side you have Zelensky who behaves like he controls whether or not we will continue to back him, which is the only thing keeping him in the fight.

Putin will fight until he achieves his demands or total victory. Zelensky won’t give in to any demands as long as he can continue to receive billions in arms. Without us, Ukraine loses everything. They need to come to terms with that and take an exit ramp while they still can.

(08-23-2025 09:49 PM)banker Wrote:  The issue is that Russia doesn’t need to negotiate anything, there is absolutely no way Ukraine can stop the eventuality of their defeat and they knows it. On the other side you have Zelensky who behaves like he controls whether or not we will continue to back him, which is the only thing keeping him in the fight.

Russia will fight until it achieves its demands or total victory. Zelinsky won’t give in to any demands as long as he can continue to receive billions in arms. Without us, Ukraine loses everything. They need to come to terms with that and take an exit ramp while they still can.

Fify

Your FIFY changed absolutely nothing.

Do they even have any of those missiles? Newsweek says the Ukrainian and US officials said in March that the Ukrainians were completely out of the ATACMS missiles. It’s not like Trump or Hegseth has been up for pouring US weapons into Ukraine since March. As for blocking their use inside of Russia—-Trumps recent tweet about Ukraine can’t win without “going on offense” suggests either the OP report is wrong or that Trump may have changed the old policy if the report is true.

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-atacms-...ce-2043959

(08-23-2025 09:31 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  This is one area where Trump has F-ed up royally. One day it’s “we had a great meeting in Alaska!” The next day is Putin’s people say they didn’t agree to anything. One day it’s Ukraine needs to play offense. The next he’s cutting them off at the knees for playing offense. One day it’s gonna be massive sanctions on Putin’s oil sales and the next he’s mad Putin’s oil sales have been cut off by Ukraine. Trump has been all over the place on this and mostly in Russia’s favor. I don’t know why but it is undeniable.
Trump might as well just give up on this. It looks like this will be his first loss.

Seriously? You're blaming Trump for this mess? He didn't start the damn war. Putin did, b/c Biden was a moronic puzzy.

It isn't our responsibility to fix this mess. It's Europe's, and you see how damn fast those leaders folded after the DC meeting. All smoke and mirrors with them.

This goes back to what I tried to ask you the other day. Why do you care so much about what happens in Ukraine? This seems personal to you. Like I said before, I don't care if you feel that way, I'm just curious, not critical.

Personally, I don't give a damn what happens to Ukraine after last week's flop by the Euros. It's their neighborhood.

From 1945-91, all of Eastern Europe was under Soviet control. Were any of us actually affected by that? Nope.

If Putin takes Ukraine, it will be the same, unless he eventually tries to pull a Hitler, which he really doesn't have the ability to do, and he ain't using nukes.

I’m tired of Volod and Vlad playing games. Neither wants peace. It’s not the United States job to stop the war when the Europeans aren’t committed to stopping the conflict.

It is clear to anyone who is neutral, like myself, and just wants the killing to stop, that Europe only wants the United States to get involved so they don’t have to.

France and Italy are broke.
Great Britain is on the brink of Civil War
And Germans in a recent poll shows only 9% would fight to defend Germany.

In a whole Europe has bigger problems than two petty dictators wanting to fight to the last man.

I still want to see the bloodshed stop but not at the cost of US blood and treasure. We have bigger problems too.

(08-23-2025 10:10 PM)banker Wrote:  Your FIFY changed absolutely nothing.

Youve been programmed to blame Putin not Russia.

"Putin attacks Ukraine". No. Russia attacks

Read it again.

Poor old Ukraine vs mean old Putin.

Russia has a government. Putin isn't a dictator.

(08-24-2025 07:39 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-23-2025 10:10 PM)banker Wrote:  Your FIFY changed absolutely nothing.

Youve been programmed to blame Putin not Russia.

"Putin attacks Ukraine". No. Russia attacks

Read it again.

Poor old Ukraine vs mean old Putin.

Geography doesn’t invade other geography, armies do. Armies have human leadership. Land doesn’t negotiate, people do. By you changing Putin to Russia, you made my post far less accurate.

Oh, and I’ve not been programmed on the topic. You are the one that shows an incredible lack of curiosity regardless of any variance or nuance to any aspect of the conflict or its potential resolution.

(08-23-2025 09:49 PM)banker Wrote:  The issue is that Putin doesn’t need to negotiate anything, there is absolutely no way Ukraine can stop the eventuality of their defeat and he knows it. On the other side you have Zelensky who behaves like he controls whether or not we will continue to back him, which is the only thing keeping him in the fight.

Putin will fight until he achieves his demands or total victory. Zelensky won’t give in to any demands as long as he can continue to receive billions in arms. Without us, Ukraine loses everything. They need to come to terms with that and take an exit ramp while they still can.

I agree with everything you are saying except that there is a wild card at play here or an elephant in the room that everyone is overlooking.

Germans are the ground in Ukraine building long range Taurus like missiles backed by German financing. The first of these are said to ready by the end of this year. The Germans are also developing AI smart drones which will be able to loiter and not be effected by any form radio waves. All of these weapons are getting closer to completion the more this war goes on.

These weapons will definitely change the trajectory of this war and bring serious pain to those inside Russia.

More importantly may set off China and others to join the fray.

The longer this goes the more of chance it has to escalate into a major war.

Trump looks weak every time he engages with Putin. I don't think Trump has the stomach to deal with a Barbarian.

Trump's Neville Chamberlain approach to Putin was only netted him embarrassment to this point.

(08-23-2025 10:45 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-23-2025 09:31 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  This is one area where Trump has F-ed up royally. One day it’s “we had a great meeting in Alaska!” The next day is Putin’s people say they didn’t agree to anything. One day it’s Ukraine needs to play offense. The next he’s cutting them off at the knees for playing offense. One day it’s gonna be massive sanctions on Putin’s oil sales and the next he’s mad Putin’s oil sales have been cut off by Ukraine. Trump has been all over the place on this and mostly in Russia’s favor. I don’t know why but it is undeniable.
Trump might as well just give up on this. It looks like this will be his first loss.

Seriously? You're blaming Trump for this mess? He didn't start the damn war. Putin did, b/c Biden was a moronic puzzy.

It isn't our responsibility to fix this mess. It's Europe's, and you see how damn fast those leaders folded after the DC meeting. All smoke and mirrors with them.

This goes back to what I tried to ask you the other day. Why do you care so much about what happens in Ukraine? This seems personal to you. Like I said before, I don't care if you feel that way, I'm just curious, not critical.

Personally, I don't give a damn what happens to Ukraine after last week's flop by the Euros. It's their neighborhood.

From 1945-91, all of Eastern Europe was under Soviet control. Were any of us actually affected by that? Nope.

If Putin takes Ukraine, it will be the same, unless he eventually tries to pull a Hitler, which he really doesn't have the ability to do, and he ain't using nukes.

Good grief your reading comprehension is chit. I said Trump should just quit trying to solve this. If you don’t care then just don’t care. Don’t try and find some secret reason that I do care. No one has to have some secret reason to disagree with you. I have said a thousand times that I’m absolutely behind DJT, however he’s not god. He could be wrong about something and if I think he is I will say so.

And maybe you should reconsider your thoughts on Russia not affecting you from ‘49 to ‘91. There was this little thing you may remember called the Cold War. You may remember that, right? And how much American treasure went to ‘fight’ that war? Yeah, russia did affect you even if you don’t realize it.

And the constant bullchit about Ukraine can’t win is fine with me. After all Russia has a juggernaut of an economy. It almost matches Italy’s.

(08-23-2025 10:45 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-23-2025 09:31 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  This is one area where Trump has F-ed up royally. One day it’s “we had a great meeting in Alaska!” The next day is Putin’s people say they didn’t agree to anything. One day it’s Ukraine needs to play offense. The next he’s cutting them off at the knees for playing offense. One day it’s gonna be massive sanctions on Putin’s oil sales and the next he’s mad Putin’s oil sales have been cut off by Ukraine. Trump has been all over the place on this and mostly in Russia’s favor. I don’t know why but it is undeniable.
Trump might as well just give up on this. It looks like this will be his first loss.

Seriously? You're blaming Trump for this mess? He didn't start the damn war. Putin did, b/c Biden was a moronic puzzy.

It isn't our responsibility to fix this mess. It's Europe's, and you see how damn fast those leaders folded after the DC meeting. All smoke and mirrors with them.

This goes back to what I tried to ask you the other day. Why do you care so much about what happens in Ukraine? This seems personal to you. Like I said before, I don't care if you feel that way, I'm just curious, not critical.

Personally, I don't give a damn what happens to Ukraine after last week's flop by the Euros. It's their neighborhood.

From 1945-91, all of Eastern Europe was under Soviet control. Were any of us actually affected by that? Nope.

If Putin takes Ukraine, it will be the same, unless he eventually tries to pull a Hitler, which he really doesn't have the ability to do, and he ain't using nukes.

Are you forgetting Trump said he could end this war in a day. I guess he didn't say what day that would be.

If Trump doesn't want to be part of this bloodletting then he should publicly say he no longer wants to be part of settling this war.

He can do the ceremonial Pontius Pilate wash his hands of this and say its not my war and I am no longer concerned with how it plays out.

But he doesn't do that. Instead he comes across as weak in his interactions with the Russia and and Putin more specifically.

IMHO Trump doesn't have the stomach for this.

Another thing, you cannot come on television and say we will sell weapons to NATO to transfer to Ukraine and then determine how they can be used.

Not a good look and IMO makes us look untrustworthy.

If you don't want them used as the buyer intends don't sell them.

(08-24-2025 09:26 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-23-2025 10:45 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-23-2025 09:31 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  This is one area where Trump has F-ed up royally. One day it’s “we had a great meeting in Alaska!” The next day is Putin’s people say they didn’t agree to anything. One day it’s Ukraine needs to play offense. The next he’s cutting them off at the knees for playing offense. One day it’s gonna be massive sanctions on Putin’s oil sales and the next he’s mad Putin’s oil sales have been cut off by Ukraine. Trump has been all over the place on this and mostly in Russia’s favor. I don’t know why but it is undeniable.
Trump might as well just give up on this. It looks like this will be his first loss.

Seriously? You're blaming Trump for this mess? He didn't start the damn war. Putin did, b/c Biden was a moronic puzzy.

It isn't our responsibility to fix this mess. It's Europe's, and you see how damn fast those leaders folded after the DC meeting. All smoke and mirrors with them.

This goes back to what I tried to ask you the other day. Why do you care so much about what happens in Ukraine? This seems personal to you. Like I said before, I don't care if you feel that way, I'm just curious, not critical.

Personally, I don't give a damn what happens to Ukraine after last week's flop by the Euros. It's their neighborhood.

From 1945-91, all of Eastern Europe was under Soviet control. Were any of us actually affected by that? Nope.

If Putin takes Ukraine, it will be the same, unless he eventually tries to pull a Hitler, which he really doesn't have the ability to do, and he ain't using nukes.

Good grief your reading comprehension is chit. I said Trump should just quit trying to solve this. If you don’t care then just don’t care. Don’t try and find some secret reason that I do care. No one has to have some secret reason to disagree with you. I have said a thousand times that I’m absolutely behind DJT, however he’s not god. He could be wrong about something and if I think he is I will say so.

And maybe you should reconsider your thoughts on Russia not affecting you from ‘49 to ‘91. There was this little thing you may remember called the Cold War. You may remember that, right? And how much American treasure went to ‘fight’ that war? Yeah, russia did affect you even if you don’t realize it.

And the constant bullchit about Ukraine can’t win is fine with me. After all Russia has a juggernaut of an economy. It almost matches Italy’s.

Smaller economy than Texas

(08-23-2025 10:45 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-23-2025 09:31 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  This is one area where Trump has F-ed up royally. One day it’s “we had a great meeting in Alaska!” The next day is Putin’s people say they didn’t agree to anything. One day it’s Ukraine needs to play offense. The next he’s cutting them off at the knees for playing offense. One day it’s gonna be massive sanctions on Putin’s oil sales and the next he’s mad Putin’s oil sales have been cut off by Ukraine. Trump has been all over the place on this and mostly in Russia’s favor. I don’t know why but it is undeniable.
Trump might as well just give up on this. It looks like this will be his first loss.

Seriously? You're blaming Trump for this mess? He didn't start the damn war. Putin did, b/c Biden was a moronic puzzy.

It isn't our responsibility to fix this mess. It's Europe's, and you see how damn fast those leaders folded after the DC meeting. All smoke and mirrors with them.

This goes back to what I tried to ask you the other day. Why do you care so much about what happens in Ukraine? This seems personal to you. Like I said before, I don't care if you feel that way, I'm just curious, not critical.

Personally, I don't give a damn what happens to Ukraine after last week's flop by the Euros. It's their neighborhood.

From 1945-91, all of Eastern Europe was under Soviet control. Were any of us actually affected by that? Nope.

If Putin takes Ukraine, it will be the same, unless he eventually tries to pull a Hitler, which he really doesn't have the ability to do, and he ain't using nukes.

You can blame Trump for running his mouth about how "in 24 hours the war will be over" and all the other nonsense that he now has to swallow because he was wrong.

(08-24-2025 07:39 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-23-2025 10:10 PM)banker Wrote:  Your FIFY changed absolutely nothing.

Youve been programmed to blame Putin not Russia.

"Putin attacks Ukraine". No. Russia attacks

Read it again.

Poor old Ukraine vs mean old Putin.

After the fall of the Soviet Union Russia attacked no one. The first thing Putin did after coming to power was attack his neighbors. I thought you were a student of history?

(08-24-2025 08:28 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Russia has a government. Putin isn't a dictator.

An autocracy I won't argue with, but a dictatorship? I don't buy it. They have a government besides just Putin. Does this make their government good? I certainly am not implying that.

(08-24-2025 10:13 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  An autocracy I won't argue with, but a dictatorship? I don't buy it. They have a government besides just Putin. Does this make their government good? I certainly am not implying that.

Putin just gave the SBU the power to arrest anyone and confiscate their assets without any legal justification at all.

Sounds like a dictatorship to me. But you nuance it any way you want.