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(08-24-2025 05:04 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 01:19 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Ok, y'all have bored me right back out of this subject again, lol.

I'm a product of the Vietnam war. Had a low draft number. Cost me 4 years in the military that I hadn't planned on at that time in my life. And after losing 58,000 Americans for absolutely nothing, including my best childhood friend and another buddy, pardon me if I don't give a damn about what Russia does to Ukraine, or vice versa.

Or whether Trump looks weak with whatever it is he's doing. Dude is maybe the most successful president in my lifetime. Let Z and Europe figure out this one. But don't fault Trump for trying. I mean, he has stopped something like 6 other wars in the last 7 months or so.

Tough crowd, lol.

Trump needs to grow a spine when dealing with Putin. You see it I see it anyone with a brain sees it

Talk to Putin like Dirty Harry would talk to a thug

At least that’s what Putin understands and Trump would gain an ounce of respect

Yes Trump has been the most successful President

This still doesn’t mean I’m gonna overlook gloss over or make excuses when I see him do things I question

Doing so would put me in the same camp as most of the leftist losers on this board

You know the ones who are full of talking points and excuses

You're welcome to feel that way. But that doesn't mean all of us should feel that way. I don't. I explained why already. Vietnam took my best friend for no reason.

I don't give a damn if Russia takes Ukraine, or vice versa. Not our responsibility. Not our fight. Let the wuss Euros fight that battle for once. We bailed their asses out twice already. WWs I and II.

And then pissed away 58,000 American lives for no effing reason at all in Nam. Baltics my ass.

Trump is trying to end this. But criticizing him seems insane to me. Who else is trying to do anything? We're dealing with Putin here. HE's the damn problem, not Trump.

(08-24-2025 01:23 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 01:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 11:44 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 09:26 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-23-2025 10:45 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Seriously? You're blaming Trump for this mess? He didn't start the damn war. Putin did, b/c Biden was a moronic puzzy.

It isn't our responsibility to fix this mess. It's Europe's, and you see how damn fast those leaders folded after the DC meeting. All smoke and mirrors with them.

This goes back to what I tried to ask you the other day. Why do you care so much about what happens in Ukraine? This seems personal to you. Like I said before, I don't care if you feel that way, I'm just curious, not critical.

Personally, I don't give a damn what happens to Ukraine after last week's flop by the Euros. It's their neighborhood.

From 1945-91, all of Eastern Europe was under Soviet control. Were any of us actually affected by that? Nope.

If Putin takes Ukraine, it will be the same, unless he eventually tries to pull a Hitler, which he really doesn't have the ability to do, and he ain't using nukes.

Good grief your reading comprehension is chit. I said Trump should just quit trying to solve this. If you don’t care then just don’t care. Don’t try and find some secret reason that I do care. No one has to have some secret reason to disagree with you. I have said a thousand times that I’m absolutely behind DJT, however he’s not god. He could be wrong about something and if I think he is I will say so.

And maybe you should reconsider your thoughts on Russia not affecting you from ‘49 to ‘91. There was this little thing you may remember called the Cold War. You may remember that, right? And how much American treasure went to ‘fight’ that war? Yeah, russia did affect you even if you don’t realize it.

And the constant bullchit about Ukraine can’t win is fine with me. After all Russia has a juggernaut of an economy. It almost matches Italy’s.

And your reading comprehension apparently also sucks. You just have a high passionate level of interest in this subject, and I don't.

I'm not criticizing you. I even said that. I just find it unusual for somebody here to be this passionate about whether Russia takes territory from Ukraine, so I genuinely wanted to understand. No harm meant.

Not sure why that winds you up so much. But hey, carry on...

Some of us look at history, Putin’s actions and the words of his subordinates and want Ukraine to stop him, not us in the Baltics. And they are already doing a lot of hacking sabotage in Europe.

Ukraine can't stop him, and European leaders obviously don't care that much. Why the hell do WE have to "stop him in the Baltics?" Screw that.

Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union most of our lives. Why should we do another Vietnam? That's asinine, IMO.

I’ll just add here that you have duly noted my “passion” on this subject and have asked several times why. You say you don’t care but continue to post comments and, I might say, passionate ones as the one here. Why if you don’t care, do you seem to care so much?

(08-24-2025 05:37 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 01:23 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 01:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 11:44 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 09:26 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Good grief your reading comprehension is chit. I said Trump should just quit trying to solve this. If you don’t care then just don’t care. Don’t try and find some secret reason that I do care. No one has to have some secret reason to disagree with you. I have said a thousand times that I’m absolutely behind DJT, however he’s not god. He could be wrong about something and if I think he is I will say so.

And maybe you should reconsider your thoughts on Russia not affecting you from ‘49 to ‘91. There was this little thing you may remember called the Cold War. You may remember that, right? And how much American treasure went to ‘fight’ that war? Yeah, russia did affect you even if you don’t realize it.

And the constant bullchit about Ukraine can’t win is fine with me. After all Russia has a juggernaut of an economy. It almost matches Italy’s.

And your reading comprehension apparently also sucks. You just have a high passionate level of interest in this subject, and I don't.

I'm not criticizing you. I even said that. I just find it unusual for somebody here to be this passionate about whether Russia takes territory from Ukraine, so I genuinely wanted to understand. No harm meant.

Not sure why that winds you up so much. But hey, carry on...

Some of us look at history, Putin’s actions and the words of his subordinates and want Ukraine to stop him, not us in the Baltics. And they are already doing a lot of hacking sabotage in Europe.

Ukraine can't stop him, and European leaders obviously don't care that much. Why the hell do WE have to "stop him in the Baltics?" Screw that.

Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union most of our lives. Why should we do another Vietnam? That's asinine, IMO.

I’ll just add here that you have duly noted my “passion” on this subject and have asked several times why. You say you don’t care but continue to post comments and, I might say, passionate ones as the one here. Why if you don’t care, do you seem to care so much?

I care 350 billion. Other than that idgaf if russia conquers all of europe.

Except poland

(08-24-2025 05:37 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 01:23 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 01:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 11:44 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 09:26 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Good grief your reading comprehension is chit. I said Trump should just quit trying to solve this. If you don’t care then just don’t care. Don’t try and find some secret reason that I do care. No one has to have some secret reason to disagree with you. I have said a thousand times that I’m absolutely behind DJT, however he’s not god. He could be wrong about something and if I think he is I will say so.

And maybe you should reconsider your thoughts on Russia not affecting you from ‘49 to ‘91. There was this little thing you may remember called the Cold War. You may remember that, right? And how much American treasure went to ‘fight’ that war? Yeah, russia did affect you even if you don’t realize it.

And the constant bullchit about Ukraine can’t win is fine with me. After all Russia has a juggernaut of an economy. It almost matches Italy’s.

And your reading comprehension apparently also sucks. You just have a high passionate level of interest in this subject, and I don't.

I'm not criticizing you. I even said that. I just find it unusual for somebody here to be this passionate about whether Russia takes territory from Ukraine, so I genuinely wanted to understand. No harm meant.

Not sure why that winds you up so much. But hey, carry on...

Some of us look at history, Putin’s actions and the words of his subordinates and want Ukraine to stop him, not us in the Baltics. And they are already doing a lot of hacking sabotage in Europe.

Ukraine can't stop him, and European leaders obviously don't care that much. Why the hell do WE have to "stop him in the Baltics?" Screw that.

Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union most of our lives. Why should we do another Vietnam? That's asinine, IMO.

I’ll just add here that you have duly noted my “passion” on this subject and have asked several times why. You say you don’t care but continue to post comments and, I might say, passionate ones as the one here. Why if you don’t care, do you seem to care so much?

You're confused. I simply tried to ask politely why you were into this subject, b/c I don't understand it. I even said I wasn't being critical of you, just curious. But then you got your feelings all ruffled.

I don't care what your position is. I care that I lost my best friend in Nam. THAT's where my passion is. Not on your dang feelings, or on Russia or Ukraine. See the difference?

(08-24-2025 04:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Bullet, we're not going to agree.

"We have a treaty obligation in the Baltics."

Tell that to my best friend, Fred Fitzgerald, who died in Nam at the age of 19, for less than that. He should still be alive, like me.

Send your best friend over there. I already lost mine. A lifetime ago. For nothing.

And I’m too passionate on this subject?

(08-24-2025 04:24 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 04:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Bullet, we're not going to agree.

"We have a treaty obligation in the Baltics."

Tell that to my best friend, Fred Fitzgerald, who died in Nam at the age of 19, for less than that. He should still be alive, like me.

Send your best friend over there. I already lost mine. A lifetime ago. For nothing.

We should have no obligation to any country, including ungrateful parasitic European countries. The only obligation we should have is to defend our borders. If China and Russia take over their parts of the world, it's not our problem. Those countries should have learned to defend themselves instead of depending on us to do the job for them.

Some of you want the final show down, don’t you. They will not stop when we are all that’s left. You do have the capacity to realize that, right?

(08-24-2025 04:44 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 01:21 PM)banker Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 11:14 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 08:58 AM)banker Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 07:39 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Youve been programmed to blame Putin not Russia.

"Putin attacks Ukraine". No. Russia attacks

Read it again.

Poor old Ukraine vs mean old Putin.

Geography doesn’t invade other geography, armies do. Armies have human leadership. Land doesn’t negotiate, people do. By you changing Putin to Russia, you made my post far less accurate.

Oh, and I’ve not been programmed on the topic. You are the one that shows an incredible lack of curiosity regardless of any variance or nuance to any aspect of the conflict or its potential resolution.

Wut?

Russia invaded Ukraine.

Wow

You are programmed

So you support banning guns because they kill people? Who made the call, gave the order, for Russian troops to move on Ukraine? Without that order would “Russia” have attacked Ukraine?

I believe I have been clear on my position - I don’t care about Ukraine and I don’t care about Russia. If either, or both, ceased to exist tomorrow I would not care. However, to act like countries, and not the leaders of those countries, are responsible for wars requires a level of suspension of disbelief that I personally can’t fathom. If they had a vote and a majority of the citizens said “let’s invade Ukraine” your statement would have some legitimacy. And no, a majority saying they support it after it starts is not the same thing.

Thats better. i just dont like all the muh Putin crap. The next guy could be worse.

The media always uses weasel words and people parrot them.

Frick Ukraine. They owe us tree fidy

Scared scared scared. “The next guy might be worse!” You sound like Biden. “He might escalate!”

The next guy might be a reformer. Ever give that a thought?

(08-24-2025 04:44 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 01:21 PM)banker Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 11:14 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 08:58 AM)banker Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 07:39 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Youve been programmed to blame Putin not Russia.

"Putin attacks Ukraine". No. Russia attacks

Read it again.

Poor old Ukraine vs mean old Putin.

Geography doesn’t invade other geography, armies do. Armies have human leadership. Land doesn’t negotiate, people do. By you changing Putin to Russia, you made my post far less accurate.

Oh, and I’ve not been programmed on the topic. You are the one that shows an incredible lack of curiosity regardless of any variance or nuance to any aspect of the conflict or its potential resolution.

Wut?

Russia invaded Ukraine.

Wow

You are programmed

So you support banning guns because they kill people? Who made the call, gave the order, for Russian troops to move on Ukraine? Without that order would “Russia” have attacked Ukraine?

I believe I have been clear on my position - I don’t care about Ukraine and I don’t care about Russia. If either, or both, ceased to exist tomorrow I would not care. However, to act like countries, and not the leaders of those countries, are responsible for wars requires a level of suspension of disbelief that I personally can’t fathom. If they had a vote and a majority of the citizens said “let’s invade Ukraine” your statement would have some legitimacy. And no, a majority saying they support it after it starts is not the same thing.

Thats better. i just dont like all the muh Putin crap. The next guy could be worse.

The media always uses weasel words and people parrot them.

Frick Ukraine. They owe us tree fidy

And we will never get our money back if Ukraine doesn’t exist. Ever thought about that?

(08-24-2025 05:55 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 04:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Bullet, we're not going to agree.

"We have a treaty obligation in the Baltics."

Tell that to my best friend, Fred Fitzgerald, who died in Nam at the age of 19, for less than that. He should still be alive, like me.

Send your best friend over there. I already lost mine. A lifetime ago. For nothing.

And I’m too passionate on this subject?

Good grief, dude. I'm passionate about losing my friend so long ago. I'm not passionate about Russia and Ukraine. I don't give a damn. The two situations aren't in the same universe.

I simply asked a friendly question to try to understand your passion about the outcome of Russia and Ukraine. I've said several times I wasn't being critical, just curious. I really don't understand why you're being so defensive.

(08-24-2025 05:04 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 01:19 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Ok, y'all have bored me right back out of this subject again, lol.

I'm a product of the Vietnam war. Had a low draft number. Cost me 4 years in the military that I hadn't planned on at that time in my life. And after losing 58,000 Americans for absolutely nothing, including my best childhood friend and another buddy, pardon me if I don't give a damn about what Russia does to Ukraine, or vice versa.

Or whether Trump looks weak with whatever it is he's doing. Dude is maybe the most successful president in my lifetime. Let Z and Europe figure out this one. But don't fault Trump for trying. I mean, he has stopped something like 6 other wars in the last 7 months or so.

Tough crowd, lol.

Trump needs to grow a spine when dealing with Putin. You see it I see it anyone with a brain sees it

Talk to Putin like Dirty Harry would talk to a thug

At least that’s what Putin understands and Trump would gain an ounce of respect

Yes Trump has been the most successful President

This still doesn’t mean I’m gonna overlook gloss over or make excuses when I see him do things I question

Doing so would put me in the same camp as most of the leftist losers on this board

You know the ones who are full of talking points and excuses

Putin has played Trump so far. Now he has no fear of Trump doing anything. And it looks like he’s right. Going so far as to mock Trump.

(08-24-2025 06:05 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 05:04 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 01:19 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Ok, y'all have bored me right back out of this subject again, lol.

I'm a product of the Vietnam war. Had a low draft number. Cost me 4 years in the military that I hadn't planned on at that time in my life. And after losing 58,000 Americans for absolutely nothing, including my best childhood friend and another buddy, pardon me if I don't give a damn about what Russia does to Ukraine, or vice versa.

Or whether Trump looks weak with whatever it is he's doing. Dude is maybe the most successful president in my lifetime. Let Z and Europe figure out this one. But don't fault Trump for trying. I mean, he has stopped something like 6 other wars in the last 7 months or so.

Tough crowd, lol.

Trump needs to grow a spine when dealing with Putin. You see it I see it anyone with a brain sees it

Talk to Putin like Dirty Harry would talk to a thug

At least that’s what Putin understands and Trump would gain an ounce of respect

Yes Trump has been the most successful President

This still doesn’t mean I’m gonna overlook gloss over or make excuses when I see him do things I question

Doing so would put me in the same camp as most of the leftist losers on this board

You know the ones who are full of talking points and excuses

Putin has played Trump so far. Now he has no fear of Trump doing anything. And it looks like he’s right. Going so far as to mock Trump.

Ridiculous. Zelensky has no cards. Trump is trying to save a retard

(08-24-2025 05:43 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 05:37 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 01:23 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 01:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 11:44 AM)TripleA Wrote:  And your reading comprehension apparently also sucks. You just have a high passionate level of interest in this subject, and I don't.

I'm not criticizing you. I even said that. I just find it unusual for somebody here to be this passionate about whether Russia takes territory from Ukraine, so I genuinely wanted to understand. No harm meant.

Not sure why that winds you up so much. But hey, carry on...

Some of us look at history, Putin’s actions and the words of his subordinates and want Ukraine to stop him, not us in the Baltics. And they are already doing a lot of hacking sabotage in Europe.

Ukraine can't stop him, and European leaders obviously don't care that much. Why the hell do WE have to "stop him in the Baltics?" Screw that.

Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union most of our lives. Why should we do another Vietnam? That's asinine, IMO.

I’ll just add here that you have duly noted my “passion” on this subject and have asked several times why. You say you don’t care but continue to post comments and, I might say, passionate ones as the one here. Why if you don’t care, do you seem to care so much?

You're confused. I simply tried to ask politely why you were into this subject, b/c I don't understand it. I even said I wasn't being critical of you, just curious. But then you got your feelings all ruffled.

I don't care what your position is. I care that I lost my best friend in Nam. THAT's where my passion is. Not on your dang feelings, or on Russia or Ukraine. See the difference?

(08-24-2025 06:06 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 06:05 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 05:04 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 01:19 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Ok, y'all have bored me right back out of this subject again, lol.

I'm a product of the Vietnam war. Had a low draft number. Cost me 4 years in the military that I hadn't planned on at that time in my life. And after losing 58,000 Americans for absolutely nothing, including my best childhood friend and another buddy, pardon me if I don't give a damn about what Russia does to Ukraine, or vice versa.

Or whether Trump looks weak with whatever it is he's doing. Dude is maybe the most successful president in my lifetime. Let Z and Europe figure out this one. But don't fault Trump for trying. I mean, he has stopped something like 6 other wars in the last 7 months or so.

Tough crowd, lol.

Trump needs to grow a spine when dealing with Putin. You see it I see it anyone with a brain sees it

Talk to Putin like Dirty Harry would talk to a thug

At least that’s what Putin understands and Trump would gain an ounce of respect

Yes Trump has been the most successful President

This still doesn’t mean I’m gonna overlook gloss over or make excuses when I see him do things I question

Doing so would put me in the same camp as most of the leftist losers on this board

You know the ones who are full of talking points and excuses

Putin has played Trump so far. Now he has no fear of Trump doing anything. And it looks like he’s right. Going so far as to mock Trump.

Ridiculous. Zelensky has no cards. Trump is trying to save a retard

That was done to intimidate and it was a disaster. It seems he had a few cards up his sleeve after all.

Maybe he could save Ukraine if he talked to Putin just as nasty as he did Zelensky. But he doesn’t. Have you not noticed that Putin hasn’t earned a nickname yet?

(08-24-2025 05:43 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 05:37 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 01:23 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 01:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 11:44 AM)TripleA Wrote:  And your reading comprehension apparently also sucks. You just have a high passionate level of interest in this subject, and I don't.

I'm not criticizing you. I even said that. I just find it unusual for somebody here to be this passionate about whether Russia takes territory from Ukraine, so I genuinely wanted to understand. No harm meant.

Not sure why that winds you up so much. But hey, carry on...

Some of us look at history, Putin’s actions and the words of his subordinates and want Ukraine to stop him, not us in the Baltics. And they are already doing a lot of hacking sabotage in Europe.

Ukraine can't stop him, and European leaders obviously don't care that much. Why the hell do WE have to "stop him in the Baltics?" Screw that.

Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union most of our lives. Why should we do another Vietnam? That's asinine, IMO.

I’ll just add here that you have duly noted my “passion” on this subject and have asked several times why. You say you don’t care but continue to post comments and, I might say, passionate ones as the one here. Why if you don’t care, do you seem to care so much?

You're confused. I simply tried to ask politely why you were into this subject, b/c I don't understand it. I even said I wasn't being critical of you, just curious. But then you got your feelings all ruffled.

I don't care what your position is. I care that I lost my best friend in Nam. THAT's where my passion is. Not on your dang feelings, or on Russia or Ukraine. See the difference?

My uncle fought in Vietnam

I’ll say this it took a lot of guts for those who assumed our Government was actually decent which they weren’t to get up and go over there and fight what they believed was a patriotic war than those cowards and pusdies who degraded and spit on our service members.

Like Bill Clinton who I will NEVER RESPECT who stated his moral philosophical differences is why he ran .

No you were scared and ran like a coward. No one at that age is a deep thinker because they have not experienced enough life

I’d have more respect for Bill if you would have just owned he was scared but that asking too much from KNOWN LIAR I guess

Nothing gets me angrier having to grow up with friends who came back messed up and never really recovered.

One was of Chinese descent who talked like the biggest red neck accent in East Texas. He had a hard life already poor and no dad.

He told me some US troops started shooting at him. He said he could tell by their accents on the radio they were from up north. He told them if they fire his way one more time he’s gonna pepper their asses. He said one told him that he never heard a spy that could speak with such a southern accent. And fired at him again. He said once he started returning fire another one came on the radio and said truce.

*clears throat*

*takes big breath*

UKRAINE IS NOT OUR PROBLEM! IT IS EUROPE'S PROBLEM!

^^ Hahahahaha...good luck with that!

(08-24-2025 06:05 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 05:04 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 01:19 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Ok, y'all have bored me right back out of this subject again, lol.

I'm a product of the Vietnam war. Had a low draft number. Cost me 4 years in the military that I hadn't planned on at that time in my life. And after losing 58,000 Americans for absolutely nothing, including my best childhood friend and another buddy, pardon me if I don't give a damn about what Russia does to Ukraine, or vice versa.

Or whether Trump looks weak with whatever it is he's doing. Dude is maybe the most successful president in my lifetime. Let Z and Europe figure out this one. But don't fault Trump for trying. I mean, he has stopped something like 6 other wars in the last 7 months or so.

Tough crowd, lol.

Trump needs to grow a spine when dealing with Putin. You see it I see it anyone with a brain sees it

Talk to Putin like Dirty Harry would talk to a thug

At least that’s what Putin understands and Trump would gain an ounce of respect

Yes Trump has been the most successful President

This still doesn’t mean I’m gonna overlook gloss over or make excuses when I see him do things I question

Doing so would put me in the same camp as most of the leftist losers on this board

You know the ones who are full of talking points and excuses

Putin has played Trump so far. Now he has no fear of Trump doing anything. And it looks like he’s right. Going so far as to mock Trump.

" Now he has no fear of Trump doing anything'

Don't over play your hand.

(08-24-2025 10:53 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  [
Putin just gave the SBU the power to arrest anyone and confiscate their assets without any legal justification at all.

Sounds like a dictatorship to me. But you nuance it any way you want.

Wow, I did not know that Russia has degenerated into Canadian-styled tactics to keep opposition voices suppressed. That Putin has a lot of Justin Trudeau in him.

(08-24-2025 08:28 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Russia has a government. Putin isn't a dictator.

Putin is a dictator. Stating otherwise is wrong.