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SECURING THE BORDER: Interior Secretary Doug Burgum is transferring jurisdiction of almost 110,000 ACRES of southern border land to the Army.

Here is some due process.

(04-16-2025 11:54 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  If you break our laws to become an “immigrant” you have no rights. You forfeited any rights when you broke into the country. The best we should be expected to do is load you and send you home.

You break into our country you’re no different from a common thief. “Well he’s only looking for a better life”. You can say the same thing about a bank robber or embezzler.

They’re all “looking for a better life”.

As I mentioned earlier somewhere here, if somebody breaks into my house in the middle of the night (akin to what illegal immigrants did to our country), the only due process he will get from me is what exits the barrel of whichever firearm I get to first.

The comments under that X post are quite eye opening.

(04-16-2025 09:35 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Wife of Kilmar Garcia petitioned for domestic violence protective order against him in 2021

Quote:The wife of Kilmar Garcia, a man who was deported from Maryland to his native El Salvador in March 14, has spoken out publicly to ask that he be returned to the US and their family. A GoFundMe crowdsourcing campaign has raised over $165,000. What Jenniefer Vasquez did not mention, however, is that she petitioned for a domestic violence protective order against him in 2021.

Revealing the information about the protective order in a post, Andy Ngo said "The wife of deported suspected gang terrorist Kilmar Abrego Garcia either lied to the court when she petitioned for a domestic violence protective order against him or she is lying now on the GoFundMe claiming he is an excellent husband as over $162K has poured in." The case detail shows that it was brought by Vasquez against Garcia in May 2021 for domestic violence. The case has since been closed.

Per The Chesepeake Today, "Jennifer Vasquez filed for a protective order due to domestic violence from her husband on May 13, 2021, and a final order was issued on June 17, 2021, by Prince George’s County District Court Judge LaKeecia Allen. Judge Allen was elevated to the Circuit Court on Aug. 1, 2024, by Maryland Governor Wes Moore. Judge Allen previously served as a prosecutor in the Prince George’s State’s Attorney’s Office."

In a press conference, Vasquez said "I will not stop fighting until I see my husband alive." She spoke directly to Garcia, saying "stay strong. God has not forgotten about you." She said she was "pleading with the Trump administration and the Bukele administration to stop playing political games with the life of Kilmar." Their children, she said, miss their father. "I hope that the strength of faith and the resilience within us will keep us standing after all the punches we continue to receive. Our ability to fight back against these governments are testimonies to the fight and strength that God has given us."

Vasquez is quoted in the fundraiser, saying "Kilmar is an excellent father. He has always been there for our three children and all of their needs. Two of them are on the autism spectrum (ages five and nine), and our third has epilepsy (age 10). Kilmar has been the main provider of our household and the love of my life for over seven years. Since our family has been separated, I have been devastated and confused. I lost my life partner, my children lost their father, and all of our family, neighbors, co-workers, and friends have been devastated due to this unjust family separation."

The GoFundMe was organized by the National Day Laborer Organizing Network. It notes that Garcia was a member of CASA, an advocacy group for "Black, Latino/a/e, Afro-descendent, Indigenous, and Immigrant communities." The fundraiser notes that "ICE is already trying to justify their actions by falsely labeling Kilmar a gang member—without any real evidence. But that's not who Kilmar is. He’s a father, a husband, and a hardworking union member."

In 2019, Garcia was arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) as he was standing outside a Maryland Home Depot trying to get work as a day laborer. At that time, an informant told police that Garcia was a member of notorious gang MS-13. A judge at that time said that the accusation "appears to be trustworthy and is supported," while Garcia's lawyers said it was false.

The judge denied bond for Garcia at that time because during bond hearings, Garcia "failed to meet his burden to show that he was not a danger." After that, Garcia was granted a withholding of removal, which meant that at the time, the Department of Homeland Security, under the first Trump administration, did not believe he was "a danger to the security of the United States."

The withholding of removal to his native El Salvador in 2019 was a protection given to Garcia because he had claimed that, when he was a minor in his home country, a gang had attempted to recruit him and extort his family. The recent deportation, per an admission from the Trump administration, overlooked that concern, calling it "an administrative error."

The Trump administration has said that since MS-13 was declared a terrorist organization, previous protections for members were no longer applicable. Critics say that Garcia's case would need to be reopened, his affiliation with the gang proven, before a deportation order could be enforced.

Secretary of State Marco Rubio as well as White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller have adivsed that Garcia is a legal citizen of El Salvador. The Supreme Court has since ruled that the Trump administration could "facilitate" the return of Garcia to Maryland should El Salvador release him from the prison where he is incarcerated. Speaking at the White House on Monday, El Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele said that he would not be sending Garcia back to Maryland.

(04-16-2025 12:33 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 09:35 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Wife of Kilmar Garcia petitioned for domestic violence protective order against him in 2021

Quote:The wife of Kilmar Garcia, a man who was deported from Maryland to his native El Salvador in March 14, has spoken out publicly to ask that he be returned to the US and their family. A GoFundMe crowdsourcing campaign has raised over $165,000. What Jenniefer Vasquez did not mention, however, is that she petitioned for a domestic violence protective order against him in 2021.

Revealing the information about the protective order in a post, Andy Ngo said "The wife of deported suspected gang terrorist Kilmar Abrego Garcia either lied to the court when she petitioned for a domestic violence protective order against him or she is lying now on the GoFundMe claiming he is an excellent husband as over $162K has poured in." The case detail shows that it was brought by Vasquez against Garcia in May 2021 for domestic violence. The case has since been closed.

Per The Chesepeake Today, "Jennifer Vasquez filed for a protective order due to domestic violence from her husband on May 13, 2021, and a final order was issued on June 17, 2021, by Prince George’s County District Court Judge LaKeecia Allen. Judge Allen was elevated to the Circuit Court on Aug. 1, 2024, by Maryland Governor Wes Moore. Judge Allen previously served as a prosecutor in the Prince George’s State’s Attorney’s Office."

In a press conference, Vasquez said "I will not stop fighting until I see my husband alive." She spoke directly to Garcia, saying "stay strong. God has not forgotten about you." She said she was "pleading with the Trump administration and the Bukele administration to stop playing political games with the life of Kilmar." Their children, she said, miss their father. "I hope that the strength of faith and the resilience within us will keep us standing after all the punches we continue to receive. Our ability to fight back against these governments are testimonies to the fight and strength that God has given us."

Vasquez is quoted in the fundraiser, saying "Kilmar is an excellent father. He has always been there for our three children and all of their needs. Two of them are on the autism spectrum (ages five and nine), and our third has epilepsy (age 10). Kilmar has been the main provider of our household and the love of my life for over seven years. Since our family has been separated, I have been devastated and confused. I lost my life partner, my children lost their father, and all of our family, neighbors, co-workers, and friends have been devastated due to this unjust family separation."

The GoFundMe was organized by the National Day Laborer Organizing Network. It notes that Garcia was a member of CASA, an advocacy group for "Black, Latino/a/e, Afro-descendent, Indigenous, and Immigrant communities." The fundraiser notes that "ICE is already trying to justify their actions by falsely labeling Kilmar a gang member—without any real evidence. But that's not who Kilmar is. He’s a father, a husband, and a hardworking union member."

In 2019, Garcia was arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) as he was standing outside a Maryland Home Depot trying to get work as a day laborer. At that time, an informant told police that Garcia was a member of notorious gang MS-13. A judge at that time said that the accusation "appears to be trustworthy and is supported," while Garcia's lawyers said it was false.

The judge denied bond for Garcia at that time because during bond hearings, Garcia "failed to meet his burden to show that he was not a danger." After that, Garcia was granted a withholding of removal, which meant that at the time, the Department of Homeland Security, under the first Trump administration, did not believe he was "a danger to the security of the United States."

The withholding of removal to his native El Salvador in 2019 was a protection given to Garcia because he had claimed that, when he was a minor in his home country, a gang had attempted to recruit him and extort his family. The recent deportation, per an admission from the Trump administration, overlooked that concern, calling it "an administrative error."

The Trump administration has said that since MS-13 was declared a terrorist organization, previous protections for members were no longer applicable. Critics say that Garcia's case would need to be reopened, his affiliation with the gang proven, before a deportation order could be enforced.

Secretary of State Marco Rubio as well as White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller have adivsed that Garcia is a legal citizen of El Salvador. The Supreme Court has since ruled that the Trump administration could "facilitate" the return of Garcia to Maryland should El Salvador release him from the prison where he is incarcerated. Speaking at the White House on Monday, El Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele said that he would not be sending Garcia back to Maryland.

Reeeeeeeeee

Muh due process.

I might have due process engraved on my .38

Can you even imagine when the constitution was beiny written...

But what if we have a senile president that allows 20 million illegals to sneak in some of which are terrorists are going to need three court cases decided by a purple haired lesbian judge before we can deport him? Nah. The country will never be that retarded. Thats just nuts. Leave it as wrotten.

The whole argument is fully retarded. Thats how farr our country has slipped .

(04-16-2025 12:55 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Can you even imaginr when the constitution was bein written...

But what if we have a senile president that allows 20 million illegals to sneak in some of which are terrorists are going to need three court cases decided by a purple haired lesbian judge before we can deport him? Nah. The countey will never be that retarded.

The whole argument is fully retarded. Thats how farr our country has slipped .

Agree. I made a similar observation somewhere up the line.

Due process makes all the sense in the world under any typical scenario one can imagine.

Nobody in their right mind 250 years ago could possibly have thought of this wacko scenario.

Democrat Midterm Strategy and Trump Derangement Syndrome: Bring Back Our Illegal Aliens

Quote:Sen. Van Hollen is fighting harder to get a MS-13 gang member back onto the streets of Maryland than he ever fought to secure the wide-open border that allowed in the killer of his *actual* constituent, Rachel Morin.

This tells you all you need to know about Democrat priorities.

(04-16-2025 11:10 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 10:56 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 08:11 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 08:00 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 07:45 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I guess you missed the phrase 'by a nation'. Perhaps pay bit more attention to the actual words. Or, just make **** up as you do above.

It's actually nation(s). Maybe pay attention to reality

Lolz. Sure thing tapatalk. It *is* a large number of individual actions by the equal number of a large number of individuals.

If you bothered, the authors of the EAA made it very clear that the Act applied to declared wars, undeclared wars and an invasion of the United Stats by a military of another nation, or an incursion by another nation, the president may act with deportations of foreign nationals.

Here is the text, note the inclusion of the phrase "foreign nation or government".

Quote:Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government

Double Lolz. The extent you work to simply make **** up is amazing overall, and even more pronounced here. Triple lolz.

Maybe try tethering the issue into the facts in the world and law, instead of stupidly broad metaphorical expansions and equally stupid as **** whiny diatribes based on those stupid as **** presumptions.

Adios Muchachos

Learn it

You know the argument you just made has zero chance if it's presented to SCOTUS... you know it but would never admit it.

That the phrase 'with a foreign country' doesnt mean 'with a foreign country'? Cool cool.

I doubt they will ignore the phrase 'with another country' that is in the law. And I doubt that they extend the term 'invasion' to some stupid ass thin gruel metaphorical and rhetorical 'invasion'.

You are free to think otherwise of course.

20 million waltz across the border...

Muh invasion...

Drunk Tanq "Your honor, those 20 million mostly single males just want to vacation to Disneyworld and stay ummm forever".....mutters due process 500 times

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(04-16-2025 12:55 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Can you even imaginr when the constitution was bein written...

But what if we have a senile president that allows 20 million illegals to sneak in some of which are terrorists are going to need three court cases decided by a purple haired lesbian judge before we can deport him? Nah. The countey will never be that retarded.

The whole argument is fully retarded. Thats how farr our country has slipped .

DUE PROCESS..... spit flying from drunk tanqs mouth

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(04-16-2025 01:22 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 12:55 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Can you even imaginr when the constitution was bein written...

But what if we have a senile president that allows 20 million illegals to sneak in some of which are terrorists are going to need three court cases decided by a purple haired lesbian judge before we can deport him? Nah. The countey will never be that retarded.

The whole argument is fully retarded. Thats how farr our country has slipped .

DUE PROCESS..... spit flying from drunk tanqs mouth

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Insanity

(04-16-2025 11:17 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Tanq, I gave up on you when you blew off the gent who has worked for DHS for 20 years. I'm sure chasing ambulances all those years made you understand better than he about his own department's business. You didn't give him one second's consideration.

I guess you dont seem to think that 8 CFR 124-something dealing with Immigration Procedures, that the provision there entitled 'Standards of Proof' doesnt pertain to 'Standards of Proof' for immigration procedures.

Let alone the Immigration Procedures Guidebook published by DHS.

Cool cool.

The DHS guy was simply wrong in his blanket statement. His being in DHS for 20 years doesnt fix what 8 CFR and the Immigration Procedures Guidebook explicitly state as otherwise.

Nor does the standard of proof in a *cancellation* of removal proceeding as noted in the court rulings have any bearing in the simple *removal* proceedings that precedes that.

Sorry to get you pissy.

Did you read the cited items at all? Or just get snitty when I presented them without reading them?

I'm never pissy. I just constantly marvel at your misplaced arrogance and complete lack of consideration of any viewpoint that varies from yours one iota.

(04-16-2025 01:18 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 11:10 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 10:56 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 08:11 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 08:00 AM)maximus Wrote:  It's actually nation(s). Maybe pay attention to reality

Lolz. Sure thing tapatalk. It *is* a large number of individual actions by the equal number of a large number of individuals.

If you bothered, the authors of the EAA made it very clear that the Act applied to declared wars, undeclared wars and an invasion of the United Stats by a military of another nation, or an incursion by another nation, the president may act with deportations of foreign nationals.

Here is the text, note the inclusion of the phrase "foreign nation or government".

Quote:Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government

Double Lolz. The extent you work to simply make **** up is amazing overall, and even more pronounced here. Triple lolz.

Maybe try tethering the issue into the facts in the world and law, instead of stupidly broad metaphorical expansions and equally stupid as **** whiny diatribes based on those stupid as **** presumptions.

Adios Muchachos

Learn it

You know the argument you just made has zero chance if it's presented to SCOTUS... you know it but would never admit it.

That the phrase 'with a foreign country' doesnt mean 'with a foreign country'? Cool cool.

I doubt they will ignore the phrase 'with another country' that is in the law. And I doubt that they extend the term 'invasion' to some stupid ass thin gruel metaphorical and rhetorical 'invasion'.

You are free to think otherwise of course.

20 million waltz across the border...

Muh invasion...

Drunk Tanq "Your honor, those 20 million mostly single males just want to vacation to Disneyworld and stay ummm forever".....mutters due process 500 times

I guess you dont realize how stupidly unconnected your comment above is. But be it far from me to correct your dumb*** drivel.

As for my personal viewpoint, no problems at all in removing them when they are afforded proper due process, and removal is the finding after than application of due process.

But...... somehow that simple proposition doesnt register in that void upstairs that enjoys inhabiting your cranial cavity. and we get the above dumb*** statement reflective of pretty much nothing but.... well.... a propensity of yours to make really dumb*** statements. Cool cool.

(04-16-2025 01:55 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I'm never pissy. I just constantly marvel at your misplaced arrogance and complete lack of consideration of any viewpoint that varies from yours one iota.

Then I suggest you ascertain whether my comment on the CFR was correct. Three certainly seemed to accept it.

In the alternative, just make pissy statements when you have no basis for flapping your lips. Free country and all that jazz, of course.

(04-16-2025 01:08 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Democrat Midterm Strategy and Trump Derangement Syndrome: Bring Back Our Illegal Aliens

Quote:Sen. Van Hollen is fighting harder to get a MS-13 gang member back onto the streets of Maryland than he ever fought to secure the wide-open border that allowed in the killer of his *actual* constituent, Rachel Morin.

This tells you all you need to know about Democrat priorities.

Quote:BREAKING: Tom Homan just laid waste to Democrat Senator Van Hollen over his visit to El Salvador for the criminal illegal alien who's being held in CECOT:

"I'm just disgusted that any congressional representative is gonna run to El Salvador."

"Rather than taking care of the constituents in his state, the victims of illegal, illegal crime in his state, he's gonna run to El Salvador to protect MS13 terr*rists. It's just disgusting."

"Where were they when we had 12 million illegal aliens coming across the border? Where were they when we had a 600% increase in s*x trafficking?"

(04-16-2025 01:58 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 01:55 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I'm never pissy. I just constantly marvel at your misplaced arrogance and complete lack of consideration of any viewpoint that varies from yours one iota.

Then I suggest you ascertain whether my comment on the CFR was correct. Three certainly seemed to accept it.

In the alternative, just make pissy statements when you have no basis for flapping your lips. Free country and all that jazz, of course.

You are totally missing the point. As usual. I have no stake in who is right or wrong. It matters little in the scheme of things.

My only comment was how you treat people you debate. Whether you are right or wrong isn't my point. It's how you conduct yourself. Sorry you don't get that.

Few things in life are 100% black or white. Even in the law. Different judges make different decisions with the same set of facts and law in front of them.

I'm having a difficult time recalling one instance where you conceded the possibility of a point to anyone else. That was my point. It had zero to do with right or wrong. It had everything to do with bedside manner.

Keep on blathering. You always need the final word. I'm done on this subject (your debate style) for a while.

(04-16-2025 02:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 01:58 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 01:55 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I'm never pissy. I just constantly marvel at your misplaced arrogance and complete lack of consideration of any viewpoint that varies from yours one iota.

Then I suggest you ascertain whether my comment on the CFR was correct. Three certainly seemed to accept it.

In the alternative, just make pissy statements when you have no basis for flapping your lips. Free country and all that jazz, of course.

You are totally missing the point. As usual. I have no stake in who is right or wrong. It matters little in the scheme of things.

My only comment was how you treat people you debate. Whether you are right or wrong isn't my point. It's how you conduct yourself. Sorry you don't get that.

Few things in life are 100% black or white. Even in the law. Different judges make different decisions with the same set of facts and law in front of them.

I'm having a difficult time recalling one instance where you conceded the possibility of a point to anyone else. That was my point. It had zero to do with right or wrong. It had everything to do with bedside manner.

Keep on blathering. You always need the final word. I'm done on this subject (your debate style) for a while.

I guess you missed Three's opening snide comment. Good for you.