(03-01-2025 12:21 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 11:02 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 08:35 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 08:13 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  "In August 1941, about four months before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, Franklin Roosevelt met with Winston Churchill aboard warships in Newfoundland’s Placentia Bay and agreed to the Atlantic Charter, a joint declaration by the world’s leading democratic powers on “common principles” for a postwar world.

Among its key points: “no aggrandizement, territorial or other”; “sovereign rights and self-government restored to those who have been forcibly deprived of them”; “freedom from fear and want”; freedom of the seas; “access, on equal terms, to the trade and to the raw materials of the world which are needed for their economic prosperity.”

The charter, and the alliance that came of it, is a high point of American statesmanship. On Friday in the Oval Office, the world witnessed the opposite. Volodymyr Zelensky, Ukraine’s embattled democratic leader, came to Washington prepared to sign away anything he could offer President Trump except his nation’s freedom, security and common sense. For that, he was rewarded with a lecture on manners from the most mendacious vulgarian and ungracious host ever to inhabit the White House."

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I thought about the meeting producing the Atlantic Charter after watching the botched news conference.

Churchill was savvy and solicitous about gaining American cooperation - the opposite of Zelensky. Trump was abrasive and aggressive - the antipode of FDR.

Churchill walked away securing the goodwill of the USA (the most powerful nation on earth) while Zelensky left empty handed. Zelensky should have tried harder since his nation had the most to lose.

That's a fair take. You kind of reminded me of the Zimmerman/Martin incident. Two people doing stupid things and one ends up dead and one has his life ruined.

No - one has nothing to do with the other. What yesterday was was an attempt by Trump to have his fragile ego stroked once again. In Trump's ego centric world he would invite the media to record him reducing Zielinsky to pleading tears. Then force him to eat McDonald's hamburgers like he did in members of his staff. When that didn't happen, like when you stand up to a bully, Trump became enraged. That's when the petulant opportunist, JD, steps in to squirrel points with his on version of nastiness he knows a gangster appreciates, before Trump concludes the fiasco with "this will make great TV." Trump has no better plan than himself. He's not a complicated person. He's a person who has literally no self reflection and he's never grown beyond an unaware child. That's the level Trump exists at and trying to assign anything more complicated or, God forbid, better motivated, has proven over and over to the wrong.
This.

lol Ben Rhodes. He works at a political NGO.

He's part of the reason this bullcrap is still going on. Remember, Trump was the only one under which NOTHING HAPPENED between Russia and Ukraine. But you don't care about that because "ORANGE MAN BAD! TRUMP IS A RUSSIAN STOOGE! REEEEEEEE! " Except that the whole Russian collusion story was debunked, just like the "Hunter Biden Laptop being Russian disinformation" story.

How does it feel like to be stuck in a vicious cycle of suck? I'd love to know.

Total BS. Simply look around and pay just a little bit of attention. This morning all the European democracies, our former allies, have rallied around Zielinsky and by doing that, against Trump. The US voted along side dictatorship and human right oppressors Belarus, Russia, and North Korea and against the votes of the world's democracies at the UN this week. JD Vance claims that's Zielinsky never said "thank you" which was not just factually wrong but shows you how he understands Trump and how he knows Trump can be bated and used. In addition the Ukrainians have given the United States valuable information on how weapons work in real battle and how modern war is best conducted. Ukraine has militarily reduced what is supposed to be one of our most dangerous enemies. Now apparently that's the side we're in. Because of a small petty man who needs everyone to come to him and bring themselves on all fours. If this works out it works out because it has moved enough people away from Trump and trumpism. If that's the case maybe somebody comes out of it

(03-01-2025 02:44 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Total BS. Simply look around and pay just a little bit of attention. This morning all the European democracies, our former allies, have rallied around Zielinsky and by doing that, against Trump. The US voted along side dictatorship and human right oppressors Belarus, Russia, and North Korea and against the votes of the world's democracies at the UN this week. JD Vance claims that's Zielinsky never said "thank you" which was not just factually wrong but shows you how he understands Trump and how he knows Trump can be bated and used. In addition the Ukrainians have given the United States valuable information on how weapons work in real battle and how modern war is best conducted. Ukraine has militarily reduced what is supposed to be one of our most dangerous enemies. Now apparently that's the side we're in. Because of a small petty man who needs everyone to come to him and bring themselves on all fours. If this works out it works out because it has moved enough people away from Trump and trumpism. If that's the case maybe somebody comes out of it

Great to hear all of Europe will be funding the rest of the war then. They’re standing up for Ukraine after all. Good luck.

(03-01-2025 02:44 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Total BS. Simply look around and pay just a little bit of attention. This morning all the European democracies, our former allies, have rallied around Zielinsky and by doing that, against Trump. The US voted along side dictatorship and human right oppressors Belarus, Russia, and North Korea and against the votes of the world's democracies at the UN this week. JD Vance claims that's Zielinsky never said "thank you" which was not just factually wrong but shows you how he understands Trump and how he knows Trump can be bated and used. In addition the Ukrainians have given the United States valuable information on how weapons work in real battle and how modern war is best conducted. Ukraine has militarily reduced what is supposed to be one of our most dangerous enemies. Now apparently that's the side we're in. Because of a small petty man who needs everyone to come to him and bring themselves on all fours. If this works out it works out because it has moved enough people away from Trump and trumpism. If that's the case maybe somebody comes out of it

Good. They should be. Let them deal with it. It's in their own backyard anyway.

If President Dickfart McTracksuit wants to renege three times on a deal his own government ratified, that's on him, not on us. Don't get mad at us for getting pissed off at you after recognizing your pattern of bullsh*t, which is what we did yesterday. But you're a leftist so you don't get that. That's okay, because at least most of us know the real adults are back in charge, and beause of that, we can all sleep better at night.

You're welcome.

I think it's a little deeper than that it's not just European democracies.

"As a flurry of supportive messages for Ukraine were posted by European leaders following the row - along with posts from the prime ministers of Canada, Australia and New Zealand - Zelensky replied to each one: "Thank you for your support."

(03-01-2025 02:44 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Total BS. Simply look around and pay just a little bit of attention. This morning all the European democracies, our former allies, have rallied around Zielinsky and by doing that, against Trump. The US voted along side dictatorship and human right oppressors Belarus, Russia, and North Korea and against the votes of the world's democracies at the UN this week. JD Vance claims that's Zielinsky never said "thank you" which was not just factually wrong but shows you how he understands Trump and how he knows Trump can be bated and used. In addition the Ukrainians have given the United States valuable information on how weapons work in real battle and how modern war is best conducted. Ukraine has militarily reduced what is supposed to be one of our most dangerous enemies. Now apparently that's the side we're in. Because of a small petty man who needs everyone to come to him and bring themselves on all fours. If this works out it works out because it has moved enough people away from Trump and trumpism. If that's the case maybe somebody comes out of it

Hey dumb ass

Ask the family of the US citizen journalist the Ukrainians held in prison until he died how Ukraine human rights are holding up.

Gtfo



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(03-01-2025 02:54 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I think it's a little deeper than that it's not just European democracies.

"As a flurry of supportive messages for Ukraine were posted by European leaders following the row - along with posts from the prime ministers of Canada, Australia and New Zealand - Zelensky replied to each one: "Thank you for your support."

Well, isn't that special? Okay. Let them deal with the problem as well. We've done way, way more than enough, even if you don't think we have.

They should put their money where their mouth is then.

We do all of the funding and we’re always the bad guy.

Just deprive them all of defense money. There’s plenty of “safety net” money over there.

(03-01-2025 02:56 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  They should put their money where their mouth is then.

We do all of the funding and we’re always the bad guy.

Just deprive them all of defense money. There’s plenty of “safety net” money over there.

This is why I try not to get caught up in crap like this. It's like casting pearls before swine. Some people just can't be helped.

TC is like all the rest. They got dumber after the election. I'm not sure they are even Amercians at this point.