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RE: Trump to Zelenskyy: "You're gambling with World War III!"
Has anyone heard yet what Russia’s reaction to this offer is?

Have they agreed to this deal or are we just throwing chit against the wall for nothing?

Will Trump have his come to Jesus with Russia or will Putin tell him “I’m not Zelinsky”?

Can Russia take it all if they reject this offer and keep on fighting a diminished Ukraine? Seems like exactly what they would want.

Seems we are leaving out a key ingredient to the success or failure of the Trump offer.

Either way this will not be the end of the killing as Trump thinks. It will continue at some point in the near future.
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RE: Trump to Zelenskyy: "You're gambling with World War III!"
(03-01-2025 11:33 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(03-01-2025 11:14 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-01-2025 11:10 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-01-2025 10:52 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-01-2025 10:25 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  The only logical answer to why we should be wary of Russia is that they have nukes and could partner with a country like China to dominate global markets.

As the US dips further into leftism and debt, there will come a time where we will be in a vulnerable position.

If Russia and China join up to nuke us we are fricked. They are fricked. Everbody is fricked. Its s nonsense argument.

In what way is Russia our enemy. To this day Ive never seen anyone make a cogent argument as to why Russia is our enemy. Not one.

Im willing to be enlightened but beware. I dont suffer touchy feely bullshite, 50 year old arguments, or random conjecture.

Have at it

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Their arms industry is like a rival partner with our arms industry in that each profit by suppling opposite sides of regional conflicts. It's one of their top industries. They don't mind our weapons against their weapons elsewhere in the world but would prefer they not be used on them directly which is what Zelensky was doing thanks to Joe Xi Ping. We prefer their arms not be used directly upon us, and Russia has done that once that I know of since WWII when they used a satellite pulse to try to trigger a Yellowstone eruption. But China does it constantly through the fentanyl trade, and COVID which was their partnership with some of our Pharma criminals. So, of the two I would tend to trust Russia but only inasmuch as they are reasonably consistent in what they will do to antagonize a situation. They don't mind a status quo in Europe. They mind anything that upsets it. They would rather profit by selling energy to Germany and some other Northern European countries. But China has an eye on a Pacific empire and in that regard is becoming the alter ego of 1920's Japan. And like Nazi Germany is doing it claiming that is what they need for defensive purposes, and that if they get it like Chamberlain said, "It will be Peace in our time!" We don't need a refrain to the sad song called the Second World War.

You just made the next James Bond movie. I believe you but that is nuts 03-lmfao

if Yellowstone erupts, so does the rest of the world...

#exinctionEvent

Maybe not human extinction, but mass starvation. Definitely the end of civilization.
It would solve global warming.
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RE: Trump to Zelenskyy: "You're gambling with World War III!"
(03-01-2025 11:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(03-01-2025 11:33 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(03-01-2025 11:14 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-01-2025 11:10 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-01-2025 10:52 AM)shere khan Wrote:  If Russia and China join up to nuke us we are fricked. They are fricked. Everbody is fricked. Its s nonsense argument.

In what way is Russia our enemy. To this day Ive never seen anyone make a cogent argument as to why Russia is our enemy. Not one.

Im willing to be enlightened but beware. I dont suffer touchy feely bullshite, 50 year old arguments, or random conjecture.

Have at it

[Image: stare-dramatic.gif]

Their arms industry is like a rival partner with our arms industry in that each profit by suppling opposite sides of regional conflicts. It's one of their top industries. They don't mind our weapons against their weapons elsewhere in the world but would prefer they not be used on them directly which is what Zelensky was doing thanks to Joe Xi Ping. We prefer their arms not be used directly upon us, and Russia has done that once that I know of since WWII when they used a satellite pulse to try to trigger a Yellowstone eruption. But China does it constantly through the fentanyl trade, and COVID which was their partnership with some of our Pharma criminals. So, of the two I would tend to trust Russia but only inasmuch as they are reasonably consistent in what they will do to antagonize a situation. They don't mind a status quo in Europe. They mind anything that upsets it. They would rather profit by selling energy to Germany and some other Northern European countries. But China has an eye on a Pacific empire and in that regard is becoming the alter ego of 1920's Japan. And like Nazi Germany is doing it claiming that is what they need for defensive purposes, and that if they get it like Chamberlain said, "It will be Peace in our time!" We don't need a refrain to the sad song called the Second World War.

You just made the next James Bond movie. I believe you but that is nuts 03-lmfao

if Yellowstone erupts, so does the rest of the world...

#exinctionEvent

Maybe not human extinction, but mass starvation. Definitely the end of civilization.
It would solve global warming.

Yeah, that was a late 70's early 80's thing. We had a strange vibration being detected emanating from space and coming from one of their satellites. It seemed to be directed at the Yellowstone caldera. The assumption here publicly was that it was some kind of attempt to disrupt the magma and trigger an eruption. The likely explanation was that it was a ground penetrating sonar trying to find underground bases and likely was probing a greater area (including Nevada). One is more science fiction and would make a great Bond plot. The other would have raised concerns over national defense and that's never something the government wants on its plate. It was more of a probe than an attack but one makes a great cover story and the other raises political issues. We have been playing spy vs spy with each other from aircraft and space for a very long time. Ain't that right sputnik?
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RE: Trump to Zelenskyy: "You're gambling with World War III!"
(03-01-2025 11:35 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Has anyone heard yet what Russia’s reaction to this offer is?

Have they agreed to this deal or are we just throwing chit against the wall for nothing?

Will Trump have his come to Jesus with Russia or will Putin tell him “I’m not Zelinsky”?

Can Russia take it all if they reject this offer and keep on fighting a diminished Ukraine? Seems like exactly what they would want.

Seems we are leaving out a key ingredient to the success or failure of the Trump offer.

Either way this will not be the end of the killing as Trump thinks. It will continue at some point in the near future.

Nobody cares. The deal between the US and Ukraine yesterday had nothing to do with Russia. It was for a partnership between TWO countries. For the past four years the US had NO partnership with Ukraine. Ukraine was a welfare recipient of the US because our POTUS at the time has skeletons in closets there. This isn't difficult. The US gained absolutely nothing from providing Ukraine with arms and treasure. Trump was trying to change that. Trump was alive during the Vietnam War. The US fought in Vietnam with absolutely nothing to gain if we "won". No difference with Ukraine. The bleeding for the US stopped yesterday. Let Europe worry about it, because nobody in the US should.
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RE: Trump to Zelenskyy: "You're gambling with World War III!"
Stephen Miller Crushes It: Many 'Remarkable and Disturbing' Things Zelensky Said That Led to Epic Blowup


Quote:Tough-talking White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy and Homeland Security Advisor Stephen Miller has been on a roll lately, dropping brutal hot take after hot take and explaining to the lamestream media just how the Trump administration has been killing it despite the whining liberal naysayers.

You’d therefore have to expect that he’d have something to say about the epic SmackDown at The Oval Friday afternoon between President Donald Trump, VP JD Vance, and the ungrateful Volodymyr Zelensky. As we’ve reported, the Ukrainian president seemed to think he held the winning cards and was the man in charge, even though he was sitting in the office of the most powerful man in the world.

We know how that went.

Miller, who’s quite adept at breaking things down in a forceful and succinct manner that drives liberals insane, was deeply unimpressed. Appearing on Fox News’ Jesse Watters show Friday night, the Trump advisor was appalled that the Ukrainian leader seemed to have no interest in an immediate end to the bloodshed:

Miller: There are many remarkable and disturbing things that Zelensky said. He repeatedly rejected President Trump's statement that we should pursue a ceasefire.

Watters: Right. What is that?

Miller [gettin’ fired up]: How could you reject a ceasefire?!

And you know, he kept saying Europe's doing so much more than us. Well, then, what do you need us for? If he's saying Europe's so great, then why are you coming and begging and pleading to us for money and protection and guarantees?

President Trump is a peacemaker—he will fight for peace. He had peace for four years under his previous term, and today we saw what it's like to have a strong leader in the White House, and the whole world saw what it's like to have a strong leader for America.


Watch:



EXACTLY RIGHT @StephenM. If Europe wants to throw money into the fire, then that’s their prerogative. This isn’t our war.

We’ve been extensively covering Friday’s drama—you can find it all here—but here’s a sample:

What a day—I don’t recall ever seeing anything like that in my lifetime. I almost—don’t slam me, I said almost—felt sorry for Zelensky as he made a complete fool of himself. He looked entitled, ungrateful, and narcissistic, but he also looked somewhat shocked that he was taken to task. Remember, he’s used to dealing with Joe Biden and the Euroweenies who simply nod when he makes demands and give him what he wants with seemingly no strings attached. He seemed completely unprepared for the force of Trump and JD Vance.

It’s going to be fascinating to see how this plays out. This Russia-Ukraine war is an ugly and tragic thing and needs to be ended yesterday, and Putin is no friend of the USA, but Trump is right that it’s not going to happen if one of the key players is uninterested in negotiating a peace.

Stephen Miller has a way of summing up complex issues quickly, and he did it again here. Zelensky needs to seriously rethink his strategy—that is if he (politically) survives this.
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RE: Trump to Zelenskyy: "You're gambling with World War III!"
(03-01-2025 10:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(03-01-2025 09:52 AM)maximus Wrote:  Hey you Ukraine lovers out there....

Where is all of the war footage and live coverage?

There is more video of WW1 than this shitshow.

If this war is so damned important to the world, every country would be reporting nonstop from the front lines.

Wellllll?



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https://www.bbc.com/news/war-in-ukraine
BBC has a whole section. Its a lot more news over there than over here.
That doesn't cut it

At all



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RE: Trump to Zelenskyy: "You're gambling with World War III!"
(02-28-2025 05:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-28-2025 03:58 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Trump "made him an offer he can't refuse". That is what this is. Zelensky has already made his Mea Kulpa on X. This deal will be signed by this time tomorrow. Zelensky's advisors wore him out in the SUV. Everything Trump said was correct. As I said a few weeks ago: Zelensky has no cards and has already lost his shirt.

And all the more reason you don't treat him like dog manure.

I was always concerned that Vance came from white trash drugy/alcohloics. He showed it today. It was going fine until Vance jumped in. Trump and Zelensky were having a respectful discussion.

Seriously ! Are you kidding me?

Trumps face was turning so red I thought his head was about to explode.

Thank God we have people like JD Vance in leadership roles

I couldn’t be more proud of the way Vance talks to these stuffed shirts about reality. I honestly can’t think of one other guy who says stuff to these hypocrites face that most would shy away from.

If you don’t want to hear the truth it’s on you not Vance.

I’m sure Kamala would have said and did the right things to satiate your palate
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RE: Trump to Zelenskyy: "You're gambling with World War III!"
Hear that everybody? "Treat beggars with kindness". It's totally fine when you give them a couple of bucks for them to reply, "That's all you got, cheapskate".
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RE: Trump to Zelenskyy: "You're gambling with World War III!"
(03-01-2025 12:21 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(03-01-2025 11:35 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Has anyone heard yet what Russia’s reaction to this offer is?

Have they agreed to this deal or are we just throwing chit against the wall for nothing?

Will Trump have his come to Jesus with Russia or will Putin tell him “I’m not Zelinsky”?

Can Russia take it all if they reject this offer and keep on fighting a diminished Ukraine? Seems like exactly what they would want.

Seems we are leaving out a key ingredient to the success or failure of the Trump offer.

Either way this will not be the end of the killing as Trump thinks. It will continue at some point in the near future.

Nobody cares. The deal between the US and Ukraine yesterday had nothing to do with Russia. It was for a partnership between TWO countries. For the past four years the US had NO partnership with Ukraine. Ukraine was a welfare recipient of the US because our POTUS at the time has skeletons in closets there. This isn't difficult. The US gained absolutely nothing from providing Ukraine with arms and treasure. Trump was trying to change that. Trump was alive during the Vietnam War. The US fought in Vietnam with absolutely nothing to gain if we "won". No difference with Ukraine. The bleeding for the US stopped yesterday. Let Europe worry about it, because nobody in the US should.

An excellent attempt to avoid an answer.
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RE: Trump to Zelenskyy: "You're gambling with World War III!"
(03-01-2025 12:54 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(03-01-2025 12:21 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(03-01-2025 11:35 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Has anyone heard yet what Russia’s reaction to this offer is?

Have they agreed to this deal or are we just throwing chit against the wall for nothing?

Will Trump have his come to Jesus with Russia or will Putin tell him “I’m not Zelinsky”?

Can Russia take it all if they reject this offer and keep on fighting a diminished Ukraine? Seems like exactly what they would want.

Seems we are leaving out a key ingredient to the success or failure of the Trump offer.

Either way this will not be the end of the killing as Trump thinks. It will continue at some point in the near future.

Nobody cares. The deal between the US and Ukraine yesterday had nothing to do with Russia. It was for a partnership between TWO countries. For the past four years the US had NO partnership with Ukraine. Ukraine was a welfare recipient of the US because our POTUS at the time has skeletons in closets there. This isn't difficult. The US gained absolutely nothing from providing Ukraine with arms and treasure. Trump was trying to change that. Trump was alive during the Vietnam War. The US fought in Vietnam with absolutely nothing to gain if we "won". No difference with Ukraine. The bleeding for the US stopped yesterday. Let Europe worry about it, because nobody in the US should.

An excellent attempt to avoid an answer.

What exactly is it that you want the US to do?
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(03-01-2025 12:31 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  
(02-28-2025 05:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-28-2025 03:58 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Trump "made him an offer he can't refuse". That is what this is. Zelensky has already made his Mea Kulpa on X. This deal will be signed by this time tomorrow. Zelensky's advisors wore him out in the SUV. Everything Trump said was correct. As I said a few weeks ago: Zelensky has no cards and has already lost his shirt.

And all the more reason you don't treat him like dog manure.

I was always concerned that Vance came from white trash drugy/alcohloics. He showed it today. It was going fine until Vance jumped in. Trump and Zelensky were having a respectful discussion.

Seriously ! Are you kidding me?

Trumps face was turning so red I thought his head was about to explode.

Thank God we have people like JD Vance in leadership roles

I couldn’t be more proud of the way Vance talks to these stuffed shirts about reality. I honestly can’t think of one other guy who says stuff to these hypocrites face that most would shy away from.

If you don’t want to hear the truth it’s on you not Vance.

I’m sure Kamala would have said and did the right things to satiate your palate

Why was JD even there? Trump doesn’t need a backup or a bulldog.

I don’t remember a VP being in that role before. Although I could be wrong but I certainly don’t remember one that interjected his self into the discussion as JD did.
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RE: Trump to Zelenskyy: "You're gambling with World War III!"
(03-01-2025 12:54 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(03-01-2025 12:21 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(03-01-2025 11:35 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Has anyone heard yet what Russia’s reaction to this offer is?

Have they agreed to this deal or are we just throwing chit against the wall for nothing?

Will Trump have his come to Jesus with Russia or will Putin tell him “I’m not Zelinsky”?

Can Russia take it all if they reject this offer and keep on fighting a diminished Ukraine? Seems like exactly what they would want.

Seems we are leaving out a key ingredient to the success or failure of the Trump offer.

Either way this will not be the end of the killing as Trump thinks. It will continue at some point in the near future.

Nobody cares. The deal between the US and Ukraine yesterday had nothing to do with Russia. It was for a partnership between TWO countries. For the past four years the US had NO partnership with Ukraine. Ukraine was a welfare recipient of the US because our POTUS at the time has skeletons in closets there. This isn't difficult. The US gained absolutely nothing from providing Ukraine with arms and treasure. Trump was trying to change that. Trump was alive during the Vietnam War. The US fought in Vietnam with absolutely nothing to gain if we "won". No difference with Ukraine. The bleeding for the US stopped yesterday. Let Europe worry about it, because nobody in the US should.

An excellent attempt to avoid an answer.

Frick Ukraine.

Is that clear enough.

Lol
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RE: Trump to Zelenskyy: "You're gambling with World War III!"
(03-01-2025 12:54 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(03-01-2025 12:21 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(03-01-2025 11:35 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Has anyone heard yet what Russia’s reaction to this offer is?

Have they agreed to this deal or are we just throwing chit against the wall for nothing?

Will Trump have his come to Jesus with Russia or will Putin tell him “I’m not Zelinsky”?

Can Russia take it all if they reject this offer and keep on fighting a diminished Ukraine? Seems like exactly what they would want.

Seems we are leaving out a key ingredient to the success or failure of the Trump offer.

Either way this will not be the end of the killing as Trump thinks. It will continue at some point in the near future.

Nobody cares. The deal between the US and Ukraine yesterday had nothing to do with Russia. It was for a partnership between TWO countries. For the past four years the US had NO partnership with Ukraine. Ukraine was a welfare recipient of the US because our POTUS at the time has skeletons in closets there. This isn't difficult. The US gained absolutely nothing from providing Ukraine with arms and treasure. Trump was trying to change that. Trump was alive during the Vietnam War. The US fought in Vietnam with absolutely nothing to gain if we "won". No difference with Ukraine. The bleeding for the US stopped yesterday. Let Europe worry about it, because nobody in the US should.

An excellent attempt to avoid an answer.
The first two words was the answer. Why should the US care if Russia takes back Ukraine? THAT is the question.
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(03-01-2025 12:59 PM)TripleA Wrote:  What exactly is it that you want the US to do?

Start WWIII to protect our “ally” Ukraine. Put American boots on the ground to die to protect our “ally” Ukraine.
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RE: Trump to Zelenskyy: "You're gambling with World War III!"
(03-01-2025 12:59 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(03-01-2025 12:54 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(03-01-2025 12:21 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(03-01-2025 11:35 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Has anyone heard yet what Russia’s reaction to this offer is?

Have they agreed to this deal or are we just throwing chit against the wall for nothing?

Will Trump have his come to Jesus with Russia or will Putin tell him “I’m not Zelinsky”?

Can Russia take it all if they reject this offer and keep on fighting a diminished Ukraine? Seems like exactly what they would want.

Seems we are leaving out a key ingredient to the success or failure of the Trump offer.

Either way this will not be the end of the killing as Trump thinks. It will continue at some point in the near future.

Nobody cares. The deal between the US and Ukraine yesterday had nothing to do with Russia. It was for a partnership between TWO countries. For the past four years the US had NO partnership with Ukraine. Ukraine was a welfare recipient of the US because our POTUS at the time has skeletons in closets there. This isn't difficult. The US gained absolutely nothing from providing Ukraine with arms and treasure. Trump was trying to change that. Trump was alive during the Vietnam War. The US fought in Vietnam with absolutely nothing to gain if we "won". No difference with Ukraine. The bleeding for the US stopped yesterday. Let Europe worry about it, because nobody in the US should.

An excellent attempt to avoid an answer.

What exactly is it that you want the US to do?

How about chit or get off the pot. Both sides of the political isle beetches about color revolution and coups. We are getting one in plain site and now we rally to it. Trump wants something for nothing it seems. You don’t go back and demand money back that was offered as a gift. Unfortunately that is what Trump is doing here. I totally understand that and I get it but if it doesn’t work just let it go. Don’t be afraid of the aftermath or the results if you don’t give a chit.

Russia can stall and reject this deal too. Then continue the war as Ukraine is weakened. Take it all which is their original plan. Trump has already said that he and Putin have discussed economic partnership. We will just end up being held hostage for REM from Russia. A great plan.
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I'm not for Russian a$$holes invading people and overtaking sovereign countries, but it's not like they invaded France.

Ukraine was behind the iron curtain in the USSR for a half century and we were just fine.

And while again, it's not cool to invade people, but what skin off our a$$ is it if Ukraine loses????
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Telling both Russia and Ukraine to foad is a “great plan”.
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(03-01-2025 01:06 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(03-01-2025 12:59 PM)TripleA Wrote:  What exactly is it that you want the US to do?

Start WWIII to protect our “ally” Ukraine. Put American boots on the ground to die to protect our “ally” Ukraine.

Putin has scared my boy I see. Yeah, the dwarf tyrant who can’t even take Ukraine when a supply of western weapons is in the Ukrainians hands is gonna carry on a world war. Some of you seem to have mummified brain cells. Good grief. Watchout don’t upset Putin, he is arming his czar bomba !!!!
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RE: Trump to Zelenskyy: "You're gambling with World War III!"
(03-01-2025 01:10 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(03-01-2025 12:59 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(03-01-2025 12:54 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(03-01-2025 12:21 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(03-01-2025 11:35 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Has anyone heard yet what Russia’s reaction to this offer is?

Have they agreed to this deal or are we just throwing chit against the wall for nothing?

Will Trump have his come to Jesus with Russia or will Putin tell him “I’m not Zelinsky”?

Can Russia take it all if they reject this offer and keep on fighting a diminished Ukraine? Seems like exactly what they would want.

Seems we are leaving out a key ingredient to the success or failure of the Trump offer.

Either way this will not be the end of the killing as Trump thinks. It will continue at some point in the near future.

Nobody cares. The deal between the US and Ukraine yesterday had nothing to do with Russia. It was for a partnership between TWO countries. For the past four years the US had NO partnership with Ukraine. Ukraine was a welfare recipient of the US because our POTUS at the time has skeletons in closets there. This isn't difficult. The US gained absolutely nothing from providing Ukraine with arms and treasure. Trump was trying to change that. Trump was alive during the Vietnam War. The US fought in Vietnam with absolutely nothing to gain if we "won". No difference with Ukraine. The bleeding for the US stopped yesterday. Let Europe worry about it, because nobody in the US should.

An excellent attempt to avoid an answer.

What exactly is it that you want the US to do?

How about chit or get off the pot. Both sides of the political isle beetches about color revolution and coups. We are getting one in plain site and now we rally to it. Trump wants something for nothing it seems. You don’t go back and demand money back that was offered as a gift. Unfortunately that is what Trump is doing here. I totally understand that and I get it but if it doesn’t work just let it go. Don’t be afraid of the aftermath or the results if you don’t give a chit.

Russia can stall and reject this deal too. Then continue the war as Ukraine is weakened. Take it all which is their original plan. Trump has already said that he and Putin have discussed economic partnership. We will just end up being held hostage for REM from Russia. A great plan.

So what happened yesterday was Trump's fault?

Zelensky had already agreed to the deal, and Ukraine's Parliament had ratified it.

Then Zelensky gets into the photo op meeting and tells Trump he is not signing until the US gives Ukraine a security guarantee. We had already explained that this was a 3 step process to achieve peace. First, commitment to the minerals deal, so we know we will be deeply involved in Ukraine, which in itself would be a deterrent to Russia. Then a cease fire. Then a peace agreement.

Than all hell broke loose.
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RE: Trump to Zelenskyy: "You're gambling with World War III!"
A friend of mine who was once the county clerk of Liberty County (or was she the district clerk? I don't exactly remember) posted this on Facebook. She got it from a guy named Dave Golowski.

Quote:Many of you probably watched what took place between Donald Trump and Zelenskyy tonight. Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, you might be thinking to yourself, Oh my God, Donald Trump just screwed up.

However, let’s look at the difference between what you believe you witnessed and what actually happened.

Donald Trump has been under constant political persecution since the beginning of his first term. Over time, he has learned to be patient and calculated.

Tonight, Zelenskyy was invited to the Oval Office. However, both Trump and JD Vance knew exactly what Zelenskyy was going to do—he would use this opportunity, in front of the American people, to make a power play. Both Trump and Vance anticipated this.

When Zelenskyy began appealing to the emotions of the American people, JD Vance stepped in, accusing him of disrespecting Donald Trump. This was brilliant strategy. It’s important to understand that Zelenskyy is trying to gain access to NATO.
Trump knew this but could not allow it to happen. If Ukraine joins NATO, the U.S. would be bound by NATO’s collective defense agreement—an attack on one is an attack on all.

Now consider the larger implications: Ukraine and Russia despise each other. If Ukraine were to become a NATO member, any future skirmish between them would obligate the U.S. to enter into direct conflict with Russia. This would mean World War III. And if that happened, China would have to choose a side—they would almost certainly align with Russia.

So what you witnessed tonight was a setup. Trump and JD Vance knew that the only way to achieve peace was to strategically align, at least on the surface, with Russia. Why? Because Russia would never sign a peace treaty if Ukraine were admitted into NATO.

This is why Trump dismantled Zelenskyy’s argument. And when Zelenskyy, seeing his play failing, tried to backtrack and offer a treaty, Trump refused.

Zelenskyy’s real intent was clear—he would not agree to peace unless security guarantees were in place. But what was he actually saying? That NATO must accept Ukraine. However, Russia would never agree to peace, knowing that NATO, their historical adversary, would surround them.

Zelenskyy, Putin, and Trump all knew this. Zelenskyy, thinking he had Democrats' support, believed he could make this bold move on live television. But Trump and Vance saw right through it and outmaneuvered him.

They knew that, in the short term, Democrats and the media would try to use this moment against them. But they also knew they had two years before midterms to prove their strategy was the right one. So they held their ground—brilliantly so.

Now, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to back down and accept Trump's terms. But here’s the genius part—Trump is actually protecting Ukraine without dragging the U.S. into war.

By negotiating a mineral deal, Trump ensures that Americans will be involved in Ukraine’s mining industry. This prevents Russia from launching an invasion, because attacking Ukraine would mean endangering American lives—something that would force the U.S. to respond.

Trump played both sides like a master chess player. In the end, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to concede, because without U.S. support, Ukraine cannot win a prolonged war against Russia. And once U.S. companies have mining operations in Ukraine, Putin will be unable to attack without triggering massive international consequences.

Don’t underestimate Donald Trump. In this game of chess, he’s 10 moves ahead of everyone.

And that's why what happened was good for us. Some on our side aren't looking at the bigger picture. Well, there's the bigger picture, all laid out for everybody to see.
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