(11-25-2024 01:16 PM)shere khan Wrote:  I am a tax paying citizen. I absolutely have a say in this.

There is a reason the Commander in Chief is s civilian.

Civics folks

Trans are frickin mentally ill. We do screen for lots of things before joning the military. You cant be a retard. You cant be a felon You cant have one leg. You cant join and become a felon and stay in. You cant be a crackhead

Has the whole world lost its damn mind?

FFS

Nope. No say for you.

Actually, that was aimed at civilians who take the stance that it's okay to have them serve. Nope.

(11-25-2024 01:16 PM)shere khan Wrote:  I am a tax paying citizen. I absolutely have a say in this.

There is a reason the Commander in Chief is s civilian.

Civics folks

Trans are frickin mentally ill. We do screen for lots of things before joning the military. You cant be a retard. You cant be a felon You cant have one leg. You cant join and become a felon and stay in. You cant be a crackhead

Has the whole world lost its damn mind?

FFS

My thought is that I'm going to trust the guys who have served on the issue. I would like to understand their viewpoint, however.

(11-25-2024 09:40 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  It sounds too good to be true. The demoqueers will never let it happen.

I think its made up by the media and it would be tied up in lawsuits.

That said, I wouldn't want somebody too crazy to know what their sex is in the foxhole next to me.

Now there are a tiny number of "intersex" people. They aren't messed up in the head, they have atypical genetalia or chromosomes. They should be treated different than the head jobs. The head jobs need psychological help, not an M-16.

(11-25-2024 01:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-25-2024 09:40 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  It sounds too good to be true. The demoqueers will never let it happen.

I think its made up by the media and it would be tied up in lawsuits.

That said, I wouldn't want somebody too crazy to know what their sex is in the foxhole next to me.

Now there are a tiny number of "intersex" people. They aren't messed up in the head, they have atypical genetalia or chromosomes. They should be treated different than the head jobs. The head jobs need psychological help, not an M-16.

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(11-25-2024 01:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-25-2024 09:40 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  It sounds too good to be true. The demoqueers will never let it happen.

I think its made up by the media and it would be tied up in lawsuits.

That said, I wouldn't want somebody too crazy to know what their sex is in the foxhole next to me.

Now there are a tiny number of "intersex" people. They aren't messed up in the head, they have atypical genetalia or chromosomes. They should be treated different than the head jobs. The head jobs need psychological help, not an M-16.

I don't think so. WaPo just listed 41 different EOs that Trump plans to release on Day 1. That came from Mar-a-Lago transition team folks, not from WaPo.

Hell I had to get a waiver back in 1991 to be allowed into the Navy because I have flat feet.

That’s how far the military has fallen since.

Sick

(11-25-2024 10:22 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I oppose banning trans from joining the military. Merit should be the driver in all personnel hiring, retention, and promotion decisions.

However, the trans person will need to adjust to the prevailing culture (eg, stay in the private areas of one’s biological sex). The military is not an agent of social change. Its purpose is to kill and destroy our enemies.

Or as my dad said... The military's purpose is to "Kill the enemy and break things.. unless you're in the SeaBees.. then it's kill the enemy and then build things".

(11-25-2024 01:16 PM)shere khan Wrote:  I am a tax paying citizen. I absolutely have a say in this.

There is a reason the Commander in Chief is s civilian.

Civics folks

Trans are frickin mentally ill. We do screen for lots of things before joning the military. You cant be a retard. You cant be a felon You cant have one leg. You cant join and become a felon and stay in. You cant be a crackhead

Has the whole world lost its damn mind?

FFS

man, it makes one wonder ... I think it was bullet that mentioned 'tied up in lawsuits' .... it's the fk'n military, man .... last time I checked, they can tell ya to "FK OFF" based on THEIR RULES FOR ADMISSION!!!

this thread is blowin' muh fk'n mind...

#pussificationOf'murica

(11-25-2024 12:05 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(11-25-2024 11:49 AM)fsquid Wrote:  so you want to boot people who have volunteered to serve?

Another expert who didn't serve.

What is wrong with the question?

(11-25-2024 02:20 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-25-2024 01:16 PM)shere khan Wrote:  I am a tax paying citizen. I absolutely have a say in this.

There is a reason the Commander in Chief is s civilian.

Civics folks

Trans are frickin mentally ill. We do screen for lots of things before joning the military. You cant be a retard. You cant be a felon You cant have one leg. You cant join and become a felon and stay in. You cant be a crackhead

Has the whole world lost its damn mind?

FFS

man, it makes one wonder ... I think it was bullet that mentioned 'tied up in lawsuits' .... it's the fk'n military, man .... last time I checked, they can tell ya to "FK OFF" based on THEIR RULES FOR ADMISSION!!!

this thread is blowin' muh fk'n mind...

#pussificationOf'murica

Not doing it. Nope. Not giving an inch on this delusion

The will try to normalize pedos next.

Frick prog filth.

(11-25-2024 11:35 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(11-25-2024 11:25 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-25-2024 11:17 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  You know the hormone meds are not for an acute condition, right? It's to change secondary sexual characteristics...but that requires ongoing therapy.

There is a reason why people with treatable conditions like asthma are precluded medically. It's not because they are bad people who can't live generally normal active lives. Ita that you can't impact readiness by requiring inhalers or worse...having to put soldiers in harms way to take someone out of the fight or out of readiness to otherwise treat battlefield injuries to take care of someone who has an asthma attack.

This isn't complicated.

They tell us every week that they are extremely shorthanded now (the Army says they are 41k short). Then you cut another 15k people who currently are enlisted. How do you make up for the 15k and get another 41k into active duty? That is my point.

If this EO cuts 15k people we have much, much bigger problems.

1% of 2 million is easy math.

(11-25-2024 11:25 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-25-2024 11:17 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  You know the hormone meds are not for an acute condition, right? It's to change secondary sexual characteristics...but that requires ongoing therapy.
There is a reason why people with treatable conditions like asthma are precluded medically. It's not because they are bad people who can't live generally normal active lives. Ita that you can't impact readiness by requiring inhalers or worse...having to put soldiers in harms way to take someone out of the fight or out of readiness to otherwise treat battlefield injuries to take care of someone who has an asthma attack. ‘
This isn't complicated.

They tell us every week that they are extremely shorthanded now (the Army says they are 41k short). Then you cut another 15k people who currently are enlisted. How do you make up for the 15k and get another 41k into active duty? That is my point.

You drop Emma Malonelord and go back to, “The few, the proud, the Marines,” type messaging. The Marines did that and they aren’t having any problems. You may not get everyone you want, but at least you’ll want everyone you get.

P.S. on Emma, I think she’s a patriot and I admire her service. She just should not be the face of Army recruiting

(11-25-2024 10:01 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  This is the kind of thing I wish Trump would hold back on. Too many other important things to be done than to go a step too far on something like this. I would focused on regulations that are in line with keeping the military the most effective fighting force in the world. Transgender? Fine, but you are held to the regulations and physical standards of your biological sex without exception. Do away with the female dress uniforms, further restrict female hair cuts, lengths, makeup, etc until there is as little difference between male and female soldiers as possible.

These are the kind of things he MUST do now. He is a one term president. No time to waste. Plus it gets it done so those that follow don’t have to deal with it. Never ever should have been policy in the first place.

(11-25-2024 11:35 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(11-25-2024 11:25 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-25-2024 11:17 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  You know the hormone meds are not for an acute condition, right? It's to change secondary sexual characteristics...but that requires ongoing therapy.

There is a reason why people with treatable conditions like asthma are precluded medically. It's not because they are bad people who can't live generally normal active lives. Ita that you can't impact readiness by requiring inhalers or worse...having to put soldiers in harms way to take someone out of the fight or out of readiness to otherwise treat battlefield injuries to take care of someone who has an asthma attack.

This isn't complicated.

They tell us every week that they are extremely shorthanded now (the Army says they are 41k short). Then you cut another 15k people who currently are enlisted. How do you make up for the 15k and get another 41k into active duty? That is my point.

If this EO cuts 15k people we have much, much bigger problems.

Exactly. Not a real percentage there. Either someone is lying or there is a reason they are flocking to the military. Neither is an acceptable possibility.

(11-25-2024 11:43 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-25-2024 11:35 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  If this EO cuts 15k people we have much, much bigger problems.

According to what I've read on X today, there are 15,000 enlisted people who are trans.

I just can't figure out how having a trans person kills morale. I would think not having enough people to get the job done would be much worse than having a tranny in the fox hole next to me. As long as the person is trained and trustworthy I wouldn't care anything else about their sexual orientation/identity.

Trannys try to act like women. Over doing it in most cases. No thanks. Don’t want any woman in a fox hole next to me with bullets flying and men dying. Pretty sure that sentiment is shared by many in the service. Especially special forces type men.

(11-25-2024 01:33 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

Where do I sign up to help? I'll be glad to provide any of them with an escort to the parking lot.

(11-25-2024 09:09 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I support this - unless they all want to volunteer for suicide bombings.

Oh, you sneaky magnificent bastard you.

(11-25-2024 09:36 AM)mlb Wrote:  The moment we go to war guess what EO gets reversed? Otherwise people can just dress their child up in clothes for the other gender and get them a pass.

What do children have to do with any of this?

(11-25-2024 08:48 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(11-25-2024 09:36 AM)mlb Wrote:  The moment we go to war guess what EO gets reversed? Otherwise people can just dress their child up in clothes for the other gender and get them a pass.

What do children have to do with any of this?

I think that he read about the "ninos heroes"=the hero children, that fought in the Mexican war against the French and all perished fighting for their country. He thinks the US has children fighting for us.

When the US military stops paying for transgender surgery, there will be no transgenders trying to get that free operation by enlisting. Besides, they won't even get to smell a GIs locker room as they will be denied entry into our military forces. It'll stop them cold. If they get past by lying they will be court martialed and I don't think they want that.

(11-25-2024 10:01 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  This is the kind of thing I wish Trump would hold back on. Too many other important things to be done than to go a step too far on something like this. I would focused on regulations that are in line with keeping the military the most effective fighting force in the world. Transgender? Fine, but you are held to the regulations and physical standards of your biological sex without exception. Do away with the female dress uniforms, further restrict female hair cuts, lengths, makeup, etc until there is as little difference between male and female soldiers as possible.

That is a whole lot of accommodating. There need be no accommodation at all. None. Problem solved. That's the kind of thinking the left loves when its opposition is the one doing it. Haven't you figured out yet that there is no compromising with these people. Their idea of a successful compromise is quite literally one in which they get everything they demand while you get squat.

This is military in nature so it should be handled militarily. It should be dealt with rapidly and to maximum effect. The actions should be swift and consequential. Cease any and all gender related anything. Stop play pretending that you're a girl, you aren't. In fact, you should be charged with damaging government property if you were stupid enough to cut off your dik while under contract with the US ANAFM. I wonder how many normal kids decided they didn't want to join a military full of queers and other assorted weirdo's.