(11-25-2024 10:35 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-25-2024 10:13 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  mlb … ewe’re pathetic … it’s a slam fk’n dunk!!!

Clearly I'm not the only one here who thinks it could come back to bite us.

That means nothing.

I served and am still very involved in veteran organizations.

I never gave a damn if someone was gay. When I served under Clinton's administrations they conducted outing campaigns with near religious fervor. Do what you want on your own time, IMO. Just be ready to kick doors and don't negatively impact readiness or morale. You claim to be a woman or a man and you aren't or if you are taking meds to transition, you impact both negatively

FFS, they cut out my 4 wisdom teeth when they weren't even a problem because of a standing readiness order...you can't be on deployment and need an oral surgeon. People want these idiots to be able to transition medically in uniform. Dummies.

(11-25-2024 10:45 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I served and am still very involved in veteran organizations.

I never gave a damn if someone was gay. When I served under Clinton's administrations they conducted outing campaigns with near religious fervor. Do what you want on your own time, IMO. Just be ready to kick doors and don't negatively impact readiness or morale. You claim to be a woman or a man and you aren't or if you are taking meds to transition, you impact both negatively

FFS, they cut out my 4 wisdom teeth when they weren't even a problem because of a standing readiness order...you can't be on deployment and need an oral surgeon. People want these idiots to be able to transition medically in uniform. Dummies.

Moreover they are joining to get taxpayers to pay for it.

Lunacy

(11-25-2024 10:58 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-25-2024 10:45 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I served and am still very involved in veteran organizations.

I never gave a damn if someone was gay. When I served under Clinton's administrations they conducted outing campaigns with near religious fervor. Do what you want on your own time, IMO. Just be ready to kick doors and don't negatively impact readiness or morale. You claim to be a woman or a man and you aren't or if you are taking meds to transition, you impact both negatively

FFS, they cut out my 4 wisdom teeth when they weren't even a problem because of a standing readiness order...you can't be on deployment and need an oral surgeon. People want these idiots to be able to transition medically in uniform. Dummies.

Moreover they are joining to get taxpayers to pay for it.

Lunacy

What if they've already had the surgery and have fully transitioned? No cost to taxpayers.

(11-25-2024 11:01 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-25-2024 10:58 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-25-2024 10:45 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I served and am still very involved in veteran organizations.

I never gave a damn if someone was gay. When I served under Clinton's administrations they conducted outing campaigns with near religious fervor. Do what you want on your own time, IMO. Just be ready to kick doors and don't negatively impact readiness or morale. You claim to be a woman or a man and you aren't or if you are taking meds to transition, you impact both negatively

FFS, they cut out my 4 wisdom teeth when they weren't even a problem because of a standing readiness order...you can't be on deployment and need an oral surgeon. People want these idiots to be able to transition medically in uniform. Dummies.

Moreover they are joining to get taxpayers to pay for it.

Lunacy

What if they've already had the surgery and have fully transitioned? No cost to taxpayers.

Seriously?

What part of mental illness is confusing?

These fricks are mentally damaged.

What next, people that think they are ducks.

While I endorse the EO, it is making something that SHOULD NOT BE a problem into a problem.

Our Military is an insurance policy - you have it and hope you never need it. That said, if you are actually needed the job is pretty clear. If you cannot do that actual job, you should never be allowed in. IMO - your head is not straight enough to do that job if you are born one biological gender and think you are actually another.

(11-25-2024 11:01 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-25-2024 10:58 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-25-2024 10:45 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I served and am still very involved in veteran organizations.

I never gave a damn if someone was gay. When I served under Clinton's administrations they conducted outing campaigns with near religious fervor. Do what you want on your own time, IMO. Just be ready to kick doors and don't negatively impact readiness or morale. You claim to be a woman or a man and you aren't or if you are taking meds to transition, you impact both negatively

FFS, they cut out my 4 wisdom teeth when they weren't even a problem because of a standing readiness order...you can't be on deployment and need an oral surgeon. People want these idiots to be able to transition medically in uniform. Dummies.

Moreover they are joining to get taxpayers to pay for it.

Lunacy

What if they've already had the surgery and have fully transitioned? No cost to taxpayers.

You know the hormone meds are not for an acute condition, right? It's to change secondary sexual characteristics...but that requires ongoing therapy.

There is a reason why people with treatable conditions like asthma are precluded medically. It's not because they are bad people who can't live generally normal active lives. Ita that you can't impact readiness by requiring inhalers or worse...having to put soldiers in harms way to take someone out of the fight or out of readiness to otherwise treat battlefield injuries to take care of someone who has an asthma attack.

This isn't complicated.

(11-25-2024 11:17 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  You know the hormone meds are not for an acute condition, right? It's to change secondary sexual characteristics...but that requires ongoing therapy.

There is a reason why people with treatable conditions like asthma are precluded medically. It's not because they are bad people who can't live generally normal active lives. Ita that you can't impact readiness by requiring inhalers or worse...having to put soldiers in harms way to take someone out of the fight or out of readiness to otherwise treat battlefield injuries to take care of someone who has an asthma attack.

This isn't complicated.

They tell us every week that they are extremely shorthanded now (the Army says they are 41k short). Then you cut another 15k people who currently are enlisted. How do you make up for the 15k and get another 41k into active duty? That is my point.

Then be short handed and tighten the belt. It's far better for our current military than having units with bad morale lacking readiness.

(11-25-2024 11:25 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-25-2024 11:17 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  You know the hormone meds are not for an acute condition, right? It's to change secondary sexual characteristics...but that requires ongoing therapy.

There is a reason why people with treatable conditions like asthma are precluded medically. It's not because they are bad people who can't live generally normal active lives. Ita that you can't impact readiness by requiring inhalers or worse...having to put soldiers in harms way to take someone out of the fight or out of readiness to otherwise treat battlefield injuries to take care of someone who has an asthma attack.

This isn't complicated.

They tell us every week that they are extremely shorthanded now (the Army says they are 41k short). Then you cut another 15k people who currently are enlisted. How do you make up for the 15k and get another 41k into active duty? That is my point.

If this EO cuts 15k people we have much, much bigger problems.

(11-25-2024 10:35 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-25-2024 10:13 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  mlb … ewe’re pathetic … it’s a slam fk’n dunk!!!

Clearly I'm not the only one here who thinks it could come back to bite us.

I picked your post … it applies to the other pacifists!

(11-25-2024 11:35 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  If this EO cuts 15k people we have much, much bigger problems.

According to what I've read on X today, there are 15,000 enlisted people who are trans.

I just can't figure out how having a trans person kills morale. I would think not having enough people to get the job done would be much worse than having a tranny in the fox hole next to me. As long as the person is trained and trustworthy I wouldn't care anything else about their sexual orientation/identity.

so you want to boot people who have volunteered to serve?

(11-25-2024 11:43 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-25-2024 11:35 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  If this EO cuts 15k people we have much, much bigger problems.

According to what I've read on X today, there are 15,000 enlisted people who are trans.

I just can't figure out how having a trans person kills morale. I would think not having enough people to get the job done would be much worse than having a tranny in the fox hole next to me. As long as the person is trained and trustworthy I wouldn't care anything else about their sexual orientation/identity.

I think it comes down to a couple of factors. And to keep everyone on the same page, I'm speaking of true trans individuals not dudes that are sneaking on women's underwear to feel feminine.

1) There is some inherint mental illness involved with being trans. Society doesn't like to admit that anymore, but it is true. Mental illness is generally grounds for a medical discharge anyways, not sure why this one is treated differant.

2) As someone said above, even post-op transgenders are HRT for life. Type 1 diabetics aren't allowed to join the military because it's generally disqualifying to require any sort of daily medication that would affect you mentally or physically if you stop taking it.

I don't have an issue with transgender individuals for the most part. I don't like the loud pushy ones, but I don't like loud pushy straight people either. From the military stand point, it's just a matter of logic. I know the military is short on recruiting, but they aren't just looking for warm bodies like McDonald's. It costs a ton of time and money to train someone in the military.

I 100% agree with a rule that says if you are using HRT to modify your gender(got to be specific there, people take HRTs for other reasons) you are medically disqualified from serving. My albuterol for asthma kept me from enlisting, I don't see this any differently.

(11-25-2024 11:49 AM)fsquid Wrote:  so you want to boot people who have volunteered to serve?

Another expert who didn't serve.

I served 4 years in the Navy during Nam. Deployed overseas, but never to a combat zone.

However, I still saw 8 sailors die around me over the years. Military ops are dangerous under the best of conditions.

I don't want a transgender person anywhere near me on duty. They have mental issues. And they are a distraction. Out they go. Period.

I'm just fine with them as civilians. But not when my life is on the line.

IMO, if you didn't serve active duty in the military, you don't get a vote in this debate.

(11-25-2024 12:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I served 4 years in the Navy during Nam. Deployed overseas, but never to a combat zone.

However, I still saw 8 sailors die around me over the years. Military ops are dangerous under the best of conditions.

I don't want a transgender person anywhere near me on duty. They have mental issues. And they are a distraction. Out they go. Period.

I'm just fine with them as civilians. But not when my life is on the line.

IMO, if you didn't serve active duty in the military, you don't get a vote in this debate.

I'm not former military, so you are right, I don't have a vote here. That being said, I knew a number of guys I graduated high school with whom enlisted that I wouldn't have trusted driving me 1 mile down the road let alone be in a battle next to. I would care much more that they are well trained and trustworthy.

(11-25-2024 12:24 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-25-2024 12:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I served 4 years in the Navy during Nam. Deployed overseas, but never to a combat zone.

However, I still saw 8 sailors die around me over the years. Military ops are dangerous under the best of conditions.

I don't want a transgender person anywhere near me on duty. They have mental issues. And they are a distraction. Out they go. Period.

I'm just fine with them as civilians. But not when my life is on the line.

IMO, if you didn't serve active duty in the military, you don't get a vote in this debate.

I'm not former military, so you are right, I don't have a vote here. That being said, I knew a number of guys I graduated high school with whom enlisted that I wouldn't have trusted driving me 1 mile down the road let alone be in a battle next to. I would care much more that they are well trained and trustworthy.

Transgenders are easy to identify up front. Run of the mill crazies aren't, so you can only cull those as you go, and hope they don't get somebody killed before they prove they're unfit.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

I am a tax paying citizen. I absolutely have a say in this.

There is a reason the Commander in Chief is s civilian.

Civics folks

Trans are frickin mentally ill. We do screen for lots of things before joning the military. You cant be a retard. You cant be a felon You cant have one leg. You cant join and become a felon and stay in. You cant be a crackhead

Has the whole world lost its damn mind?

FFS

I really don't think that number of Trans is that high. I still maintain that they should be given medical discharges. They can play girlies as a civilian. Women trans don't seem to have any problem with this, I wonder why. Is it because Tom Boys are an accepted norm? The male Transpeople aren't fighting to go into mens rooms, they stick to their gender in this regard. That's the way it should be...no men in womens private areas, or the military.

What happened to "don't ask don't tell?" It was working fine until the perverts thought it wasn't enough.